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The Collapse of Anti-Gay Religion
Slate ^ | 5-1-2014 | William Saletan

Posted on 05/05/2014 7:26:10 AM PDT by Flame Retardant

Throughout history, religion has sanctioned and fueled the persecution of homosexuality. That dynamic may be drawing to an end. Polls, clerics, and denominations are shifting. Theology is adapting. Resistance to same-sex marriage is dwindling, and there’s no end in sight.

For 15 years, the Ethics and Public Policy Center has hosted the Faith Angle Forum, a regular conference on religion and public life. Several weeks ago, the group met again to discuss current issues. Transcripts of the conference have just been posted on EPPC’s website. They underscore the extent of the anti-gay collapse.

The first session, led by papal biographer Paul Vallely and Boston Globe editor John Allen, focused on Pope Francis and the Catholic Church. Vallely, the author of Pope Francis: Untying the Knots, noted that before Francis became pope, he supported civil unions in Argentina....

The conference’s second session dwelled on sin. The speakers, Cornelius Plantinga of Calvin College and Ross Douthat of the New York Times, discussed what we should feel bad about. Homosexuality wasn’t on the list.... “It used to be that people thought of homosexual acts as sinful,” he said. “Now they think of criticism of homosexual acts as sinful.”...

The next morning, we had our final session, on the culture wars. Molly Ball, the Atlantic’s terrific political writer, summarized the trend toward acceptance of same-sex marriage. Forty percent of Republicans and 61 percent of Republicans under 30 now favor it, she reported. So do 57 percent of Catholics and 55 percent of mainline Protestants....

There will always be Christians, Muslims, and Jews who condemn homosexuality.... But in this country, religious resistance is crumbling. It’s being overwhelmed by love, conscience, and a God who keeps creating gay kids, even in the most devout families. Over time, He will prevail.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


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1 posted on 05/05/2014 7:26:10 AM PDT by Flame Retardant
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To: Flame Retardant
It’s being overwhelmed by love, conscience, and a God who keeps creating gay kids, even in the most devout families.

So by that logic, God keeps creating pedophiles, as well.

2 posted on 05/05/2014 7:27:27 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Flame Retardant

God WILL prevail, and His Church will go on, despite the persecution by the Left.


3 posted on 05/05/2014 7:28:53 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Flame Retardant

Dream on, faggies.


4 posted on 05/05/2014 7:29:53 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Flame Retardant

There are people changing and capitulating. There are also many uncompromising people who have just gotten quiet because the gay activists are raised the price of speaking out.

Amos 5:13 Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:04 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Flame Retardant
Anal sex will never be considered what God intended for his creation.

No matter what the elitists tell us; or how many people pretend otherwise.

Never.

6 posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:33 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: lurk

There are people changing and capitulating. There are also many uncompromising people who have just gotten quiet because the gay activists have raised the price of speaking out.

Amos 5:13 Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.


7 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:32 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Flame Retardant
Many will be called, but few will be chosen...

It will be as in Noah's day...

I wonder what a poll of residents of Sodom would have said?

8 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Flame Retardant

“religious resistance is crumbling”

while SPIRITUAL Resistance is becoming more vocal and visible!!..

in the end...GOD WINS....


9 posted on 05/05/2014 7:33:33 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: Flame Retardant

I think this is actually a reprint of the original article that ran in the Sodom-Gomorrah Times Sentinel ;-)


10 posted on 05/05/2014 7:33:54 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Flame Retardant
It’s being overwhelmed by Law suits, courts siding with persecution of those who do not fall on their knees to worship before the glory of a man sticking his p***s into another mans a**s and a rejection of God who keeps creating sinful kids, even in the most devout families. Over time, He will prevail.

A bit of help to turn this mess of lies into something resembling truth.

11 posted on 05/05/2014 7:33:55 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Flame Retardant
The first session, led by papal biographer Paul Vallely and Boston Globe editor John Allen, focused on Pope Francis and the Catholic Church. Vallely, the author of Pope Francis: Untying the Knots, noted that before Francis became pope, he supported civil unions in Argentina....

The conference’s second session dwelled on sin. The speakers, Cornelius Plantinga of Calvin College and Ross Douthat of the New York Times, discussed what we should feel bad about. Homosexuality wasn’t on the list.... “It used to be that people thought of homosexual acts as sinful,” he said. “Now they think of criticism of homosexual acts as sinful.”...

The next morning, we had our final session, on the culture wars. Molly Ball, the Atlantic’s terrific political writer, summarized the trend toward acceptance of same-sex marriage. Forty percent of Republicans and 61 percent of Republicans under 30 now favor it, she reported. So do 57 percent of Catholics and 55 percent of mainline Protestants....

PFL

12 posted on 05/05/2014 7:35:11 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: dfwgator

But in this country, religious resistance is crumbling. It’s being overwhelmed by love, conscience, and a God who keeps creating gay kids, even in the most devout families. Over time, He will prevail.

Uh, well, America is crumbling. And this asshat celebrates it and predicts that it will become the new paradigm of a country that I cannot even imagine—noting that this is already a country that I cannot even imagine.

God Bless America—we are all wretched, but, we don’t all blaspheme You with vigor and joy. Paul said this would happen. He was given that information by You Lord.

Amen.


13 posted on 05/05/2014 7:35:41 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: dfwgator

Moral Therapeutic Deism

A very interesting book: Soul Searching, The Religious and Spiritual Lives of American Teenagers.
By Chistian Smith


14 posted on 05/05/2014 7:38:36 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Flame Retardant

Must be why the Episcopal Church is cratering, because you know, liberal Christianity is so awesome and stuff!

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Home-Page-News-and-Views/Why-is-the-Episcopal-church-near-collapse.aspx#


15 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:09 AM PDT by whtabtbill
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To: Flame Retardant

It used to be that the Church influenced culture. Now culture rules the Church.


16 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:41 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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William Saletan

"I don’t say this lightly, but Saletan is one of the more dishonest pundits out there — I’ve read multiple columns by this guy where he lies with numbers and fudges the evidence to fit his preconceptions, and this is no exception. He’s once again arguing that creationism is compatible with science, and he has to make some dodgy claims to do so. Look here:"

Press Here

17 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:52 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

He looks like he likes to be a catcher instead of pitching.


18 posted on 05/05/2014 7:42:37 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Flame Retardant
Throughout history, religion has sanctioned and fueled the persecution of homosexuality.

"Religion"?

No. The homosexual's argument is with God, and His Creation. And He has clearly stated in the Bible His verdict on homosexual behavior, as with all sexual immorality, is that it is sinful.

"sanctioned and fueled the persecution ..."?

lol. Hardly. God loves the sinner but hates the sin. Slate and RonPaulJr are opposing God by trying to justify the sinfulness of homosexuality.

19 posted on 05/05/2014 7:43:10 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Flame Retardant

Author William Saletan, per Wiki:
a Jewish “liberal Republican” (so they can say he’s a `conservative’?) Swarthmore grad who supports homosexual marriage/Slate writer (but I repeat myself), trying to tell us the world—in particular, religion—is ready to abandon the very definition of homosexuality as an aberration/perversity.

Abraham Lincoln said, “You can call a dog’s tail a leg, and say it has five legs, but calling a tail a leg don’t make it a leg.”
Heh, silly homos. Go peddle your papers.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 7:43:31 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Flame Retardant

Only fools applaud the judgment of God on our nation and call it love.


21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:50 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: Flame Retardant

God does NOT make people homosexual!!!! What blasphemy to think that our Loving God would pull such a dirty trick on people and on society!

Satan and the other demons put all sorts of sinful thoughts in our heads, including in some people thoughts of same-sex attraction. If people entertain such thoughts, they may harden into the delusion of “being gay” and even “being born gay”.

There are many. many other types of sinful thoughts and delusions, but the “gay” delusion seems to be the most “popular” one right now.

Spiritual warfare, such as is taught by the Orthodox Church, is central to the Christian life, especially during Great Lent and other fasting seasons, when the demons come out in force. And by that means, and by the true teaching of the Church, God protects us from the “gay” delusion, and many other evils as well.


22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:45:11 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Flame Retardant

Liberal William Saletan Announces Plan to ‘Purge’ Christians

April 21, 2014

They were always deadly serious about criminalizing Christianity and killing free speech, but now the American left has stopped pretending otherwise. In a recent column titled “Why Are They Called ‘Homofascists’? Here’s Why,” I wrote that “progressive,” “Christian-hating fascists” – but I repeat myself – are “hell-bent on criminalizing Christianity and pushing to the fringes anyone who publicly acknowledges natural human sexuality and the age-old, immutable institution of legitimate marriage as created by God.”

In an article titled, “Purge the Bigots,” Slate writer William Saletan penned these chilling words: “Some of my colleagues are celebrating. They call Eich a bigot who got what he deserved. I agree. But let’s not stop here. If we’re serious about enforcing the new standard, thousands of other employees who donated to the same anti-gay ballot measure must be punished.

“More than 35,000 people gave money to the campaign for Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that declared, ‘Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California,’” he continued. “Why do these bigots still have jobs? Let’s go get them.”

http://godfatherpolitics.com/15264/liberal-william-saletan-announces-plan-purge-christians/#098X8EjHI2rlf7Ve.99

Continued Saletan: “To organize the next stage of the purge, I’ve compiled the financial data into three tables” (he actually did this). He then listed details from, and linked to, the Proposition 8 hit list reportedly leaked by the Obama IRS and meticulously assembled and published by the Los Angeles Times.

This was all by design. It’s what led to Brendan Eich’s career beheading. But Eich was just the opening act. The list provides the exact names, employers, places of residence and dollar amounts of every single person in America who donated even a dime to the Golden State’s campaign to protect natural marriage (I realize it’s hopelessly symbolic, but as matter of principle I will not link to the list).

This is a level of voter intimidation and journalistic terrorism on the part of the Obama administration and the L.A. Times that is unprecedented in American history.


23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:47:28 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: dfwgator

Not only that, this is the same God that makes boys that later need to be changed into girls according to them. And makes girls born as boys, etc.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 7:49:32 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Flame Retardant

Blasphemy.


25 posted on 05/05/2014 7:50:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Flame Retardant
Many so-called evangelicals have dropped their opposition to same-sex marriage, although they haven't publicly endorsed it either. These same squishes never mention homosexuality from the pulpit for fear of being labeled a hater.

However, there are some who will not back down. Sooner or later, these faithful will be arrest for "hate speech" or sued into insolvency by queer groups. Eventually, they will be hunted as believing Christians in China are hunted today.

Pastor and Bible teacher J. Vernon McGee predicted that someday the believing Church in America would have to go underground. He also predicted that the primary oppressors of the believing Church would be the mainline Protestant churches that are currently a hotbed of Leftism, homosexuality and baby murder. They are synagogues of Satan and attack real believers from the pulpit constantly, setting the stage for the eventual dehumanization of real believers.

26 posted on 05/05/2014 7:52:23 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: skeeter

Heck, even an atheist should be able to figure out that going “In through the Out Door” is not the most healthy of choices.


27 posted on 05/05/2014 7:52:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Flame Retardant

October 15, 2009

William Saletan on Roman Polanski’s drugging and raping thirteen year olds:

Human Nature : The Polanski Affair: The average age of menarche... has fallen two to four months per decade, depending on the country.... It’s quite plausible that the 13-year-old girl Polanski had sex with in the late 1970s was, to some degree, sexually mature. Having sex at 13 is a bad idea. But if you’re pubescent, it might be, in part, your bad idea.... A guy who goes after a womanly body that happens to be 13 years old is failing to regulate a natural attraction. That doesn’t excuse him. But it does justify treating him differently.... There’s a difference between pedophilia and taking advantage of somebody who’s old enough to be interested in sex but too young to judge the physical and emotional risks of messing around. If the legal officers and moral critics of the 1970s saw that distinction more clearly than we do, the shame is ours.

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2009/10/so-much-for-william-saletans-future-career-as-a-babysitter-washington-post-company-crashed-and-burned-and-smoking-watch-j.html


28 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:05 AM PDT by kcvl
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Molly Ball, the Atlantic’s terrific political writer....

Huh? The Atlantic is that wannabe publication that pays to be on the front page of Yahoo, right? Give me a break.

Christians who revere the BIBLE will not embrace sodomy. Period.

29 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Flame Retardant; Jim Robinson
An in-depth look at the trends I noted earlier.

You mean HERE, HERE and HERE?

Yes, many examples of you promoting that conservatives adapt to 'gay marriage' (sic) on FR. Hmmmm ...

30 posted on 05/05/2014 7:54:00 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Flame Retardant
These people are under some sort of delusion that the Catholic Church would change, or even soften its’ stance on Homosexual activity. I can assure you that the Church will never change.

The stood up to Cesar they sure as Hell will stand up against the faeries of today.

31 posted on 05/05/2014 7:56:43 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Flame Retardant

“SMASH THE PATRIARCHY”

The Communist revolution of 1968 red diaper doper babies contiunes.


32 posted on 05/05/2014 8:09:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Servant of the Cross; Flame Retardant; Jim Robinson

Three times I asked Flame Retardant where he stands on queer marriage (on another thread) and three times he refused a direct response.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 8:10:24 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Flame Retardant

The Sex Positive Agenda seeks to end all moral judgments regarding sexual pairings regardless of sex, age, relation, marital status, number, or species of partner(s).

There is an active campaign now to protect the “rights” of persons with AIDS from having to reveal their virus status to their sex partner(s). It can lead to “verbal and physical abuse” and “discrimination”.

The inmates run the asylum. “Don’t judge me!” cries from the same crowd who denounce all organized religion.


34 posted on 05/05/2014 8:12:31 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: CatherineofAragon; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah

‘gay marriage’ (sic) ping ...


35 posted on 05/05/2014 8:13:39 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Resolute Conservative
“He looks like he likes to be a catcher instead of pitching.”

I despise how Sodomites have perverted our language along with everything else they touch.

Thanks to them even an innocent phrase like “pitching and catching” has a disgusting dark connotation.

36 posted on 05/05/2014 8:13:44 AM PDT by Awgie (truth is always stranger than fiction)
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To: kcvl
I’ve read multiple columns by this guy where he lies with numbers and fudges the evidence to fit his preconceptions,

He packs fudge in the numbers?

Don't ask, don't tell is only bad for the military and corporate world. Newsrooms still love their closeted reporters who don't disclose WHY gay issues are so DAMNED (literally) important to them.

37 posted on 05/05/2014 8:14:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Flame Retardant

I grew up with people predicting the end of the world. As an adult I realized that things were as they have been since the world started and I doubted that the end would come in my lifetime.

I’m starting to suspect that it may occur before I die.


38 posted on 05/05/2014 8:14:47 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: Servant of the Cross

snicker


39 posted on 05/05/2014 8:15:11 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: Flame Retardant

Bravo?


40 posted on 05/05/2014 8:17:08 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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41 posted on 05/05/2014 8:18:21 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: kcvl

The faggot defended drug rape and forced sodomy.

The girl was not a willing partner.

She still is adamant that Mr. Polanski violated her against he wishes. The only “softening” in her position is that she does not see the point in jailing him now or prosecuting him now for the flight out of the trial.

But then the sex positive agenda seeks to end ALL moral judgments.


42 posted on 05/05/2014 8:24:26 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: Flame Retardant

More proof we are very close to the end times. VERY close.

I’ve noticed that both a falling away and revival are discussed in the bible regarding those times. To me, it means all those fence sitters will choose a sided. You will no longer be “Christian” because you attend church. You will be Christian because you are a Christian. And your faith will increase as trials and tribulations do likewise. But probably most “Christians” will come down on the other side and be actively against the church.

Thing is, Christians are NOT changing their viewpoint on homosexual marriage. Rather those that posed as Christian are exposing their hand. It will get worse.


43 posted on 05/05/2014 8:33:43 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: lurk

I never call them gay. I call them homosexuals.


44 posted on 05/05/2014 8:34:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Flame Retardant

“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires...” — Pope Benedict XVI


45 posted on 05/05/2014 8:39:43 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: Flame Retardant
Religious resistance to gay marriage isn't crumbling. The issue is that religion is crumbling as a force of policy. Small-"o" orthodox religious (of any faith or denomination) are a tiny minority of the elite, and it's the elite who decide important policy questions in this country -- politics and the judiciary fall into line behind elite policy preferences sooner or later.
46 posted on 05/05/2014 8:44:10 AM PDT by only1percent
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To: Flame Retardant

It drifted that way in Sodom and Gomorrah for some years as well. Then there was some “Godlike backlash”.


47 posted on 05/05/2014 8:47:15 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Flame Retardant
The Collapse of Anti-Gay Religion

Children should be restrained from posting puerile opinions on national forums.

Any group or organization which is not PRO-sodomy DOES NOT MAKE IT AN ANTI-GAY RELIGION.

Gheeez!

48 posted on 05/05/2014 8:53:34 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: Flame Retardant

How about a barf alert?


49 posted on 05/05/2014 8:53:56 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: kcvl
Huh?
Creationism is NOT compatible with science?
50 posted on 05/05/2014 8:56:10 AM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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