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Breaking Supreme Court upholds legislative prayer in Town of Greece v. Galloway
Volokh Conspiracy (Washington Post) ^ | 05/05/2014 | Jonathan H. Adler

Posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480

This morning the Supreme Court held in Town of Greece v. Galloway, that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. It was a 5-4 decision, split along traditional right-left lines.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: greecevgalloway; newyork; prayer; scotus; supremecourt; townmeetingprayer
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1 posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Pyro7480

Glad to hear. This will drive them nuts on planet MSNBC.

I hope that this helps clarify that the “establishment” clause, which the liberals constantly talk about, does not mean you have to ban every mention of religion. It doesn’t mean that you have to have “zero tolerance”, and cleanse the public sphere of any religious symbol.


2 posted on 05/05/2014 7:34:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Pyro7480

A blow to the Prayer Nazis.


3 posted on 05/05/2014 7:34:42 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Pyro7480
This is going to make the heads at MSNBC explode (it could also open the door for getting prayer back in schools and sporting events, since the legal reasoning for that should be similar to the legal reasoning they used for case). Also it could very well portend the same 5-4 majority striking down the birth control mandate on religous grounds.

But on the scary side, we are one Obama Supreme Court appointment away from a total ban on public prayer....

4 posted on 05/05/2014 7:34:46 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Exactly.

Because the practice of banning religious symbols.. is actually a religion in itself.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 7:35:32 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (In America, we don't do pin pricks. But sometimes we elect them.)
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To: apillar

good point.

Pray for the continued service and good health of Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas, and even Anthony Kennedy. If any of them retire before Obama’s term is over, the replacement will be a hard leftist, in the mold of Ginsburg, Kagen, and Sotomayor.


6 posted on 05/05/2014 7:36:50 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: apillar

“But on the scary side, we are one Obama Supreme Court appointment away from a total ban on public prayer....”

Darned right scary. It is nuts that 9 people have this say over every facet of our lives. Or should I say 5 people.


7 posted on 05/05/2014 7:37:34 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: Pyro7480

5-4 - do you recognize what a thin line this country is hanging on?


8 posted on 05/05/2014 7:39:42 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Huskrrrr

Here come prayers at city councils of religions you don’t like.


9 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:20 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Pyro7480

Wonderful!


10 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:42 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Pyro7480

Bad news for Tim Tebow, as now the leftists at NBC, in retribution, will run 15 stories between now and NFL Week 1 showing he’s still not ready for the NFL.


11 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:51 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: all the best

Well, you figure the reason it gets to the point of 5 justices having this power, is because lower courts consistently make liberal decisions, which work their way up the line.

If the lower courts nipped lawsuits over these issues in the bud, we wouldn’t get to the point where a bare majority of the Supreme Court is defining these issues for us.

But then that touches on the issues of federal judges in general. Obama continues to appoint hard leftists to the lower federal courts.

And this points up why elections matter. How many voters consider that the president is the one who will be appointing federal judges for the next four years, when they go vote?


12 posted on 05/05/2014 7:41:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Pyro7480; Lurking Libertarian; Perdogg; JDW11235; Clairity; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

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13 posted on 05/05/2014 7:42:43 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Pyro7480

Pray for the health of those 5 Justices. They are all that stands in the way of the precipice.


14 posted on 05/05/2014 7:43:32 AM PDT by AU72
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To: Pyro7480

I finally figured it out after all these years that there’s only one person who liberals hate more than conservatives, the Tea Party, and FOX News combined- GOD!


15 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:35 AM PDT by dowcaet
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Probably a good idea to pray for RB Ginsberg’s health as well.


16 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:53 AM PDT by Hoodat (Democrats - Opposing Equal Protection since 1828)
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To: Pyro7480
The opinion is here (the first few pages summarize it).

Greece


17 posted on 05/05/2014 7:45:32 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: apillar
But on the scary side, we are one Obama Supreme Court appointment away from a total ban on public prayer.

Friend, we are one liberal justice away from total destruction of the Constitution. We need an Article V Convention ... badly.

18 posted on 05/05/2014 7:52:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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19 posted on 05/05/2014 7:52:32 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Pyro7480

BTTT!


20 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Huskrrrr

And the ACLU


21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dowcaet

Bingo!


22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:54:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: apillar
But on the scary side, we are one Obama Supreme Court appointment away from a total ban on public prayer....

Indeed, which is why we must pray for the health of the Fab Five (even Kennedy) for the next 3 years (absent, of course, Congree doing the right thing and impeaching the son of a bitch).

23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:57:19 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: Pyro7480

I grew up in Greece, NY. Good to hear my hometown worked out to be worth a damn.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 8:00:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Pyro7480

“These ceremonial prayers strive for the idea that people of many faiths may be united in a community of tolerance and devotion,” Justice Kennedy wrote. “Our tradition assumes that adult citizens, firm in their own beliefs, can tolerate and perhaps appreciate a ceremonial prayer delivered by a person of a different faith.”


25 posted on 05/05/2014 8:05:47 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

“Our tradition assumes that adult citizens, firm in their own beliefs, can tolerate and perhaps appreciate a ceremonial prayer delivered by a person of a different faith.”

Exactly. I’m old enough to recall prayers at football games (Texas). Whoever arranged them was very ecumenical in that there was a rotation of Protestant ministers, Catholic priests and Jewish rabbis. It didn’t harm anyone to hear the prayers of another faith; in fact, it probably promoted community unity and understanding.


26 posted on 05/05/2014 8:11:51 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Pyro7480

Too bad there are 4 left wing wastes of our time on that Court.


27 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:02 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Pyro7480

In a sane world, a story like this wouldn’t need to be breaking news (heck, there wouldn’t BE a story like this)....


28 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Pyro7480

It’s so profoundly depressing that something this clearcut was a 5-4 decision. It’s not really even a close call from a historical viewpoint. If the Clintons win in 2016, we’ll lose a significant chunk of our “rights”.


29 posted on 05/05/2014 8:17:54 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Cheerio

We’ve already fallen over that line with some very depraved decisions, such as Roe and Lawrence, etc.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 8:23:40 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Pyro7480

Now waiting on Obama to declare that he “has a pen and a phone” and wants to go nuclear by adding 2 more justices.


31 posted on 05/05/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by alancarp
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To: Marathoner

“Indeed, which is why we must pray for the health of the Fab Five (even Kennedy) for the next 3 years (absent, of course, Congree doing the right thing and impeaching the son of a bitch).”

We should pray for all of them to remain healthy and happy until the next administration. Replacing an old leftist with a young one wouldn’t do us any favors either. And, personally, I’d change the “(even Kennedy)” to “(even Roberts)”. As much damage as Kennedy has done with his manipulation of the constitution to support the gay rights movement, at least he was coming at things from a personal liberty perspective, as ludicrous as some of his decisions may be. Justice Roberts, OTOH, put a knife in the back of the American public and the entire conservative legal movement with his travesty of a decision on Obamacare. He took the constitutional shackles off of the power of the state, for a few months of good press.


32 posted on 05/05/2014 8:30:25 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: apillar

That is why Barry needs to be removed from office and slow joe marginalized until 2016.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 8:53:26 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Pyro7480
This is great but I can't see the viewpoint of the other 4.

There is absolutely no doubt that the prayers are establishing a Federal and/or state religion. What's their problem??

34 posted on 05/05/2014 8:56:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Lazamataz
I grew up in Greece, NY. Good to hear my hometown worked out to be worth a damn.
My parents moved the family from the NYC area to Greece in 1964. I'm still here and a big factor why is because town has always been worth a damn.
Great schools, abundant shopping & eating choices, nice parks and a great police force.
If there's anything I don't like, it's the Section 8 MFers coming here with their inner-city values.
However, once they've been exposed to the aforementioned great police force, most either leave or changes their ways.
35 posted on 05/05/2014 9:10:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pyro7480
Ask any so-called "progressive" about the basis of their absolute and rigid "separation of state" argument, and their likely answer will include Thomas Jefferson's phrase from his letter to the Danbury Baptists.

By doing so, they rely on the ignorance of many citizens of America's founding history and of the ideas of liberty which were strongly held and advocated by the man (Jefferson) who authored the Declaration of Independence, with its recognition of a "Creator," of "the laws of nature and of nature's God," of "Divine Providence," and of "Supreme judge of the world," as well as the actual meaning and context of his letter to the Baptists--whose phrase about the "wall of separation" they love to twist and cite as the basis of their prejudice and tyranny against religious expression in the public square!

Perhaps these "progressives" might wish to read and be honest enough to cite this portion of Thomas Jefferson's letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper:

"In our village of Charlottesville, there is a good degree of religion, with a small spice only of fanaticism. We have four sects, but without either church or meeting-house. . . .

. . . The court-house is the common temple, one Sunday in the month to each. Here, Episcopalian and Presbyterian, Methodist and Baptist, meet together, join in hymning their Maker, listen with attention and devotion to each others' preachers, and all mix in society with perfect harmony.

As for Jefferson's views on a university setting as a place appropriate for open exchange of ideas and of unthreatened expression of religious thought, and to correct a then-false impression that the institution was against religion, he stated:
". . . .In our university you know there is no Professorship of Divinity. A handle has been made of this, to disseminate an idea that this is an institution, not merely of no religion, but against all religion. Occasion was taken at the last meeting of the Visitors, to bring forward an idea that might silence this calumny, which weighed on the minds of some honest friends to the institution. In our annual report to the legislature, after stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of their own tenets, on the confines of the university, so near as that their students may attend the lectures there, and have the free use of our library, and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours, as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful sciences. I think the invitation will be accepted, by some sects from candid intentions, and by others from jealousy and rivalship. And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of peace, reason, and morality." - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper

36 posted on 05/05/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Pyro7480

Praise be to God!


37 posted on 05/05/2014 9:45:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Blackyce
We should pray for all of them to remain healthy and happy until the next administration. Replacing an old leftist with a young one wouldn’t do us any favors either.

Very true. I overlooked the age factor.Of course, I especially pray the Kenyan doesn't get another chance to corrupt the USSC.

38 posted on 05/05/2014 10:13:28 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: ConservativeMan55

As with Atheists. Since they “believe” there is no God that makes atheism a religion by definition. And it just breaks their phony little hearts when you define that for them. I’m still waiting for someone to publish the Atheists Prayer? -—starts off with “hello nobody——”?


39 posted on 05/05/2014 10:41:10 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Huskrrrr

“A blow to the Prayer Nazis.”

bttt


40 posted on 05/05/2014 2:27:03 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“Here come prayers at city councils of religions you don’t like.”

Why should that make a difference? A prayer at a public meeting is nothing but a desire of one person (the prayer-giver) to invoke the blessings of their recognized higher power on whatever the meeting is intended to accomplish. It may be a request for wisdom or peaceful debate or something else but the point is the public organization is not the instigator of the prayer but the intended beneficiary.

If I, as a Christian, have a Muslim friend who says to me, “It looks like you are having a tough day; may I pray for you?”, should I be offended? My response would be to be touched by my friend’s concern and appreciative that he is trying to help me in the best way he knows how. I don’t have to share a belief in the same diety to accept and make my own similar wishes to others.

So in a public meeting, I don’t care whether the prayer is addressed to Jesus Christ, Allah, Buddha, Ra, Satan or anyone or anything else. I take the good wishes and hopes of the prayer-giver as something good for all of us to consider and pass along. It doesn’t mean you agree with everything that has been said, only that you appreciate the sentiment and intent.


41 posted on 05/05/2014 2:39:01 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Lazamataz
I grew up in Greece, NY.

Me, too, bro :)

Cardinal Mooney H.S. Class of '81

42 posted on 05/05/2014 2:48:18 PM PDT by matt1234 (Hitler blamed the Jews. Obama blames the Tea Party.)
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To: matt1234

5-4 for free speech is sad. There is always next time for SCOTUS to overturn the first amendment


43 posted on 05/05/2014 2:50:27 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Pyro7480; JadeEmperor

Woot! I wonder how the 3 chosen voted.


44 posted on 05/05/2014 2:51:34 PM PDT by Hacksaw (I haven't taken the 30 silvers.)
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To: Pyro7480
It just confounds me that 4 of the Supremes so often don't understand the INTENT of the Constitution.

I believe that they have been so confused by previous rulings that they can't see beyond their over-educated law minutia. The founding document is expressively clear.

The "general welfare" and "commerce" clauses were never meant to be so infinite. The writings of our Founding Fathers were very clear in the Federalist and even anti-Federalist papers, not to mention their specific writings in other correspondence and personal diaries.

To remind us all, the entire purpose of the Constitution was to LIMIT federal government. They even had to spell it out further in the 9th and 10th Amendments. STATES RIGHTS!

As someone once said, "What is a 100 lawyers at the bottom of the sea?". A good start. Lawyers spin, parse, distort, manipulate, and on. I hate lawyers, until I need one...haha.

The above said, Supreme Court justices should not have life tenure.

45 posted on 05/05/2014 3:08:01 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: Cheerio
5-4 - do you recognize what a thin line this country is hanging on?

When you think about it, just one black robe can determine the fate of this country. As has already been shown.

46 posted on 05/05/2014 3:26:09 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: A Navy Vet
If you read Kagans dissent you will come to one indisputable realization.

We need to start constructing lots and lots of new insane asylums.

47 posted on 05/05/2014 6:49:18 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: caseinpoint

Is time set aside during church for the local city officials to discuss city business?


48 posted on 05/05/2014 10:37:48 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Not in my church. Ask the black churches though. I believe there is quite a history of mixing politics and church. Prayer, however, is not mixing religion and government for the reason I stated in my original post.

Again, I have no problem with sectarian prayers in public meetings so long as the opportunity to say such prayers is offered to anyone or group who requests it in an even-handed manner. And if atheists wish to invoke whatever higher power they recognize to bless a public gathering, I have no problem with it.


49 posted on 05/06/2014 7:24:11 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m glad of the result. The fools of the Freedom From Religion bunch were planning on suing the city of Rapid City, South Dakota because they were holding prayer before their council meetings. Last night they held their council meeting and opened it with an invocation. The first time in over a year.


50 posted on 05/06/2014 12:23:36 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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