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Breaking — Supreme Court upholds legislative prayer in Town of Greece v. Galloway
Volokh Conspiracy (Washington Post) ^ | 05/05/2014 | Jonathan H. Adler

Posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:47 AM PDT by Pyro7480

This morning the Supreme Court held in Town of Greece v. Galloway, that the town's practice of beginning legislative sessions with prayers does not violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. It was a 5-4 decision, split along traditional right-left lines.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: greecevgalloway; newyork; prayer; scotus; supremecourt; townmeetingprayer
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To: Huskrrrr

And the ACLU


21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:45 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dowcaet

Bingo!


22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:54:50 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: apillar
But on the scary side, we are one Obama Supreme Court appointment away from a total ban on public prayer....

Indeed, which is why we must pray for the health of the Fab Five (even Kennedy) for the next 3 years (absent, of course, Congree doing the right thing and impeaching the son of a bitch).

23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:57:19 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: Pyro7480

I grew up in Greece, NY. Good to hear my hometown worked out to be worth a damn.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 8:00:53 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Pyro7480

“These ceremonial prayers strive for the idea that people of many faiths may be united in a community of tolerance and devotion,” Justice Kennedy wrote. “Our tradition assumes that adult citizens, firm in their own beliefs, can tolerate and perhaps appreciate a ceremonial prayer delivered by a person of a different faith.”


25 posted on 05/05/2014 8:05:47 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

“Our tradition assumes that adult citizens, firm in their own beliefs, can tolerate and perhaps appreciate a ceremonial prayer delivered by a person of a different faith.”

Exactly. I’m old enough to recall prayers at football games (Texas). Whoever arranged them was very ecumenical in that there was a rotation of Protestant ministers, Catholic priests and Jewish rabbis. It didn’t harm anyone to hear the prayers of another faith; in fact, it probably promoted community unity and understanding.


26 posted on 05/05/2014 8:11:51 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Pyro7480

Too bad there are 4 left wing wastes of our time on that Court.


27 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:02 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Pyro7480

In a sane world, a story like this wouldn’t need to be breaking news (heck, there wouldn’t BE a story like this)....


28 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:05 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Pyro7480

It’s so profoundly depressing that something this clearcut was a 5-4 decision. It’s not really even a close call from a historical viewpoint. If the Clintons win in 2016, we’ll lose a significant chunk of our “rights”.


29 posted on 05/05/2014 8:17:54 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Cheerio

We’ve already fallen over that line with some very depraved decisions, such as Roe and Lawrence, etc.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 8:23:40 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: Pyro7480

Now waiting on Obama to declare that he “has a pen and a phone” and wants to go nuclear by adding 2 more justices.


31 posted on 05/05/2014 8:25:03 AM PDT by alancarp
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To: Marathoner

“Indeed, which is why we must pray for the health of the Fab Five (even Kennedy) for the next 3 years (absent, of course, Congree doing the right thing and impeaching the son of a bitch).”

We should pray for all of them to remain healthy and happy until the next administration. Replacing an old leftist with a young one wouldn’t do us any favors either. And, personally, I’d change the “(even Kennedy)” to “(even Roberts)”. As much damage as Kennedy has done with his manipulation of the constitution to support the gay rights movement, at least he was coming at things from a personal liberty perspective, as ludicrous as some of his decisions may be. Justice Roberts, OTOH, put a knife in the back of the American public and the entire conservative legal movement with his travesty of a decision on Obamacare. He took the constitutional shackles off of the power of the state, for a few months of good press.


32 posted on 05/05/2014 8:30:25 AM PDT by Blackyce (French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: apillar

That is why Barry needs to be removed from office and slow joe marginalized until 2016.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 8:53:26 AM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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To: Pyro7480
This is great but I can't see the viewpoint of the other 4.

There is absolutely no doubt that the prayers are establishing a Federal and/or state religion. What's their problem??

34 posted on 05/05/2014 8:56:58 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Lazamataz
I grew up in Greece, NY. Good to hear my hometown worked out to be worth a damn.
My parents moved the family from the NYC area to Greece in 1964. I'm still here and a big factor why is because town has always been worth a damn.
Great schools, abundant shopping & eating choices, nice parks and a great police force.
If there's anything I don't like, it's the Section 8 MFers coming here with their inner-city values.
However, once they've been exposed to the aforementioned great police force, most either leave or changes their ways.
35 posted on 05/05/2014 9:10:00 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Pyro7480
Ask any so-called "progressive" about the basis of their absolute and rigid "separation of state" argument, and their likely answer will include Thomas Jefferson's phrase from his letter to the Danbury Baptists.

By doing so, they rely on the ignorance of many citizens of America's founding history and of the ideas of liberty which were strongly held and advocated by the man (Jefferson) who authored the Declaration of Independence, with its recognition of a "Creator," of "the laws of nature and of nature's God," of "Divine Providence," and of "Supreme judge of the world," as well as the actual meaning and context of his letter to the Baptists--whose phrase about the "wall of separation" they love to twist and cite as the basis of their prejudice and tyranny against religious expression in the public square!

Perhaps these "progressives" might wish to read and be honest enough to cite this portion of Thomas Jefferson's letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper:

"In our village of Charlottesville, there is a good degree of religion, with a small spice only of fanaticism. We have four sects, but without either church or meeting-house. . . .

. . . The court-house is the common temple, one Sunday in the month to each. Here, Episcopalian and Presbyterian, Methodist and Baptist, meet together, join in hymning their Maker, listen with attention and devotion to each others' preachers, and all mix in society with perfect harmony.

As for Jefferson's views on a university setting as a place appropriate for open exchange of ideas and of unthreatened expression of religious thought, and to correct a then-false impression that the institution was against religion, he stated:
". . . .In our university you know there is no Professorship of Divinity. A handle has been made of this, to disseminate an idea that this is an institution, not merely of no religion, but against all religion. Occasion was taken at the last meeting of the Visitors, to bring forward an idea that might silence this calumny, which weighed on the minds of some honest friends to the institution. In our annual report to the legislature, after stating the constitutional reasons against a public establishment of any religious instruction, we suggest the expediency of encouraging the different religious sects to establish, each for itself, a professorship of their own tenets, on the confines of the university, so near as that their students may attend the lectures there, and have the free use of our library, and every other accommodation we can give them; preserving, however, their independence of us and of each other. This fills the chasm objected to ours, as a defect in an institution professing to give instruction in all useful sciences. I think the invitation will be accepted, by some sects from candid intentions, and by others from jealousy and rivalship. And by bringing the sects together, and mixing them with the mass of other students, we shall soften their asperities, liberalize and neutralize their prejudices, and make the general religion a religion of peace, reason, and morality." - Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper

36 posted on 05/05/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Pyro7480

Praise be to God!


37 posted on 05/05/2014 9:45:51 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Blackyce
We should pray for all of them to remain healthy and happy until the next administration. Replacing an old leftist with a young one wouldn’t do us any favors either.

Very true. I overlooked the age factor.Of course, I especially pray the Kenyan doesn't get another chance to corrupt the USSC.

38 posted on 05/05/2014 10:13:28 AM PDT by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment?)
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To: ConservativeMan55

As with Atheists. Since they “believe” there is no God that makes atheism a religion by definition. And it just breaks their phony little hearts when you define that for them. I’m still waiting for someone to publish the Atheists Prayer? -—starts off with “hello nobody——”?


39 posted on 05/05/2014 10:41:10 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Huskrrrr

“A blow to the Prayer Nazis.”

bttt


40 posted on 05/05/2014 2:27:03 PM PDT by 1035rep
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