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Framing the danger of guns as a public health risk will change the debate over gun control
Washington post ^ | 5/2/2014 | Danny Franklin,

Posted on 05/05/2014 8:19:37 AM PDT by rktman

Messaging matters in every political issue. On the issue of guns and violence, its importance is measured in lives saved or lives lost. The last year has shown conclusively that from a messaging perspective, progressives are losing the gun debate. B y reframing the debate, it is possible to choose a winning message and make Americans safer.

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To: Sivad

Correct. And here is an important part of the proof/reasons why:

20TH CENTURY DEMOCIDE
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM


21 posted on 05/05/2014 9:02:11 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: lastchance

Yup, and this assclown is still using the “xx times more likely to injured with a gun in the house” crap. What an idiot.


22 posted on 05/05/2014 9:03:53 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman
There is no way to stop the communists empire from controlling America. King Obama is a communists black Muslim. His empire includes the MSM which is a huge controlling interest. Add the total infiltration of his communists Democrats in his Administration and you can be sure if not stopped with impeachment America is finished.
23 posted on 05/05/2014 9:04:40 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: rktman

“a comforting story progressives tell ourselves to avoid facing the fact that the country trusts the NRA more than us on this issue. “

That is because your “solution” is always the same; gradually disarm law-abiding, private citizens until only criminals and the iron-fisted government have guns.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 9:08:03 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The freedom-haters have tried this ploy several times over the last fifteen years that I can recall.

Like they themselves, it's a loser.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

25 posted on 05/05/2014 9:09:01 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: rarestia

Also, I’m sure once they have the APA completely on board, they’ll require mental health evals from all gun owners, and they’ll find that those who have conservative Christian views will be determined mentally ill.


26 posted on 05/05/2014 9:12:55 AM PDT by afsnco
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To: rktman

Hey!

bo-care’s emphasis is on “Preventative Medicine”

So carrying a gun is a positive health care measure.


27 posted on 05/05/2014 9:13:18 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: rktman; JohnLott
Violent and out control democrat psychos do make guns a public health issue. Liberals should enact laws prohibiting any liberal from owning or being in the same house with a gun.

In 1865 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.

In 1963 a radical left wing communist, Lee Harvey Oswald, shot and killed John F. Kennedy, President of the United States.

On June 5, 1968, Sirhan Sirhan, a psycho islamo killer shot and assassinated Robert Francis "Bobby" Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of assassinated President John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy. The shooting of Robert Kennedy took place shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968.

In 1975 a two wing radical Democrats fired shots at Gerald Ford, President of the United States in separate acts of mental illness.

In 1981 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.

In 1984 James Huberty a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 22 people in a McDonalds restaurant.

In 1986 Patrick Sherril a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 15 people in an Oklahoma post office.

In 1990 James Pough a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 10 people at a GMAC office.

In March 1991, a lefty psycho, John Hinckley, now 58, fired a hail of bullets at the late president in March 1981, in Washington, seriously wounding him. Three others were badly hurt including press secretary James Brady, now 73.

In 1991 George Hennard a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 23 people in a Lubys cafeteria.

In 1995 James Daniel Simpson a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 5 coworkers in a Texas laboratory.

In 1999 Larry Asbrook a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 8 people at a church service.

In 2001 a left wing radical Democrat fired shots at the White House in a failed attempt to kill George W. Bush, President of the US.

In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung - Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech .

On February 12, 2010, Amy Bishop a left wing psycho professor went postal with her fellow professors. When she had finished, six people had been shot, three of them fatally. Bishop had killed her brother with a shotgun over 20 years ago and the liberal police chief in her home town dismissed the case. Amy is still in prison and loves Obama.

March 2010: John Patrick Bedell shot two Pentagon security. A right-wing extremist, media asked? (A registered Democrat and 9/11 Truther.)

In 2011 a mentally ill, registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. The pot smoking Loughner killed 6 and wounded 18 in another liberal shooting tragedy.

In 2011 another mentally ill and registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a Colorado movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.

In 2012 Andrew Engeldinger a disgruntled Democrat shot and killed 7 people in Minneapolis.

On September 16 2013, Aaron Alexis another pyscho Democrat killer slaughtered 12 innocents at the US Navy Yard. Alexis before his slaughter of innocents Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis had complained his brain had been targeted by low-frequency waves weeks before the slaughter.

12/14/2013 Karl Pierson entered Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Co. armed with a shotgun with intent to kill one of his teachers. He shot Claire Davis, a senior, @Arapahoe High in the head. Yes, Pierson is/was another mentally ill liberal punk.

April 2014 Mohammed Whitaker arraigned on 18 felony charges in series of highway shootings in Kansas. Mohammed appears to be another SOB, aka Son Of Obama..

We could go on, but you get the point, even if the media and the anti gun pyschos in Congress do not.

Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats, AKA, the mentally ill having guns or being around them.

No NRA members, No Tea Party members, or No Republican conservatives are/were involved.

Political correctness and leftist policies are to blame in these mass shootings:

If Seung-Hui Cho had been institutionalized for mental illness, 32 people would still be alive at Virginia Tech.

If Jared Loughner had been institutionalized, 6 would be alive in Tucson.

If James Holmes had been institutionalized, 12 lives spared in Aurora, CO.

If Adam Lanza had been institutionalized, 26 would still live in Newtown, CT.

If Nidal Hasan had been properly reported, investigated, and discharged from the Army, and institutionalized, 13 would not have died at Ft. Hood.

If we really want to improve safety, keep criminals in jail, terrorists out of the U.S., and people who are mentally ill/deranged in institutions.

Again, It should be illegal for any Democrats to own guns or be around them.

28 posted on 05/05/2014 9:16:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: Joe Brower

Used to be that I thought that the crap science that the Public Health journals would be allowed to be published, and the crap research that the CDC and the NIH would fund, were examples of how political preconceptions could color the perceptions of even the most conscientious.

That was before I learned about the political corruption that lead to the public health community’s adoption of the low-fat, high-carb, added sugar and industrial seed oil processed food diet as the new standard for a “healthy” diet.

And realized that the growing health crisis of the last 40 years, with it’s dramatic rise in rates of obesity, diabetes, dementia, heart disease, and the other “diseases of civilization” is not an accident, it’s a direct result of the diet that our public health professionals have been trying to convince is is “healthy”.

Tens of millions dead, hundreds of millions doomed to lives of chronic misery, because the public health community allowed itself to be manipulated by industrial interests into adopting exactly the wrong answer, within their area of expertise.

And I’m supposed to listen to them on something about which they have no expertise?


29 posted on 05/05/2014 9:28:36 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Logical me

I thoroughly disagree that “America is finished”.

This “we are the unstoppable wave of the future!” cr@p began with the Bolshies in 1917. The USSR flourished in its evil way, then it collapsed. Sure, Putin wants to rebuild it & then some, but “in order for evil to triumph, it is only necessary that good men do nothing”.

Same here in America. The people who love it are arming themselves to the teeth & Bunkersville AZ is only the beginning. It’s far from over.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 9:29:18 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

It helps if the men first become good by calling and relying again upon the Lord. Otherwise we are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Heaven allows for men to get into messes, hoping they will get the hint. At the risk of sounding flippant, we need more OMG’s.


31 posted on 05/05/2014 9:32:51 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If we call upon the Lord and rely upon the Lord, I guarantee from personal experience we will have many, many occasions to say, “Thank you, Lord!”


32 posted on 05/05/2014 9:35:56 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If we call upon the Lord and rely upon the Lord, I guarantee from personal experience we will have many, many occasions to say, “Thank you, Lord!”


33 posted on 05/05/2014 9:36:34 AM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

And you’re just bearing witness to the promises that are already documented in the bible. Nobody has to be anything more special than a human being to take advantage of the promises. Let their sins be as deep as a hole dug to China and God will still be of aid once called upon.


34 posted on 05/05/2014 9:38:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rktman

The author says that a gun in a household is twelve times as likely to be used on a household member as an intruder.

Leaving aside the definition of “used” (shot, fired at, threatened by), I might point out that women are more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than by anyone else.

That doesn’t mean that I, personally, or any woman in particular, is more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than by a stranger. If a woman has an excellent marriage but lives or works in a dangerous environment, she is more likely to be killed by someone other than her husband.

And it certainly doesn’t mean that women should forego marriage or intimate relationships, as a matter of public health. (Non-marital sexual relationships have higher rates of violence and murder.)

It means a woman should choose her partner carefully, and conduct herself with care. If she always seems to pick bad and dangerous men, maybe she SHOULD forego relationships.

Something similar holds with guns. If someone in the household is short-tempered, impulsive, suicidal, if there is a history of domestic violence, MAYBE the household should be without guns. On the other hand, if someone in the household needs protection from someone who is violent, maybe that person should have a gun.

I would rather make that call for myself, than have the government, or a collection of academics, or a public relations person/lobbyist like Mr./Ms. Franklin make it for me.

For the husband, or for the firearms.


35 posted on 05/05/2014 9:39:00 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: rktman
FTA:-- Since 1993, the rate of gun homicides has dropped by a third while the number of nonfatal gun crimes has dropped by 69 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. --

But, but, how can this be when there are so many more guns in society? Similar to, how can crime be dropping when so many more people are in prison.

Ya gotta love leftist thinking.

36 posted on 05/05/2014 9:41:25 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: heartwood

Forgetting that an intruder needn’t be shot to be helped on his way out of the premises by the sight of a gun; also that hunting uses aren’t counted (the gun might shoot far more deer and game than people and they wouldn’t care).

Come to think of it, don’t more auto accidents harm the people in the auto than people outside the auto? Why not ban automobiles?


37 posted on 05/05/2014 9:43:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: rktman

But doesn’t the “in the house” argument hold true for any injur? After all we spend more time in our homes than elsewhere. So change the item and I bet you could write,
“xx times more likely to injured with a power tool in the house”
“xx times more likely to injured with a kitchen knife in the house”
“xx times more likely to injured with a candle in the house”
“xx times more likely to injured with a baseball bat in the house”
“xx times more likely to injured with a dipwad reporter in the house”


38 posted on 05/05/2014 9:43:46 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: jdege

Summed up in one. Great post.


39 posted on 05/05/2014 9:45:13 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: rktman

If gov. was concerned about “public health risks”, they’d outlaw homoseuality.


40 posted on 05/05/2014 9:48:43 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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