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Framing the danger of guns as a public health risk will change the debate over gun control
Washington post ^ | 5/2/2014 | Danny Franklin,

Posted on 05/05/2014 8:19:37 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman
Absolute nonsense that doesn't logically hold together.

“...Third, it would focus on successes, not failures. Since 1993, the rate of gun homicides has dropped by a third while the number of nonfatal gun crimes has dropped by 69 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. On every metric that matters, we are safer from guns today than we were 20 years ago....”

But wait! Since 1993 the number of firearms owned by Americans has skyrocketed! During the Clinton (1993-2001) and Obama, we have had year after year of increased gun sales. 1993 to the present has seen a rapid rise in the number of firearms, and yet according to the “gun grabbers” gun violence has dropped.

How can this be? It is because good guys with guns are not the problem, it is criminals with guns that are the problem and criminals don't obey old or new gun control laws.

41 posted on 05/05/2014 9:49:52 AM PDT by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: JPG

I’m still looking to see how many firearms were sold in the US between ‘93 and 2011 so I can make a chart for future use when the NV legislature again convenes. The bloomin’ idiots have vowed to return to push for more gun laws. Again. Just lining up ducks early.


42 posted on 05/05/2014 9:54:28 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The anti-gun people would say that cars have a valid use, transportation, and we have many laws and regulations to make them as safe as possible, and we accept the deaths because transportation is essential.

But guns have only one purpose, killing people or animals, and that is not essential. And why do we gun nuts fight so hard against common sense safety regulations, like trigger locks and background checks, and smart guns, and bullet limits?


43 posted on 05/05/2014 9:55:49 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: G Larry

George Zimmerman wold be in far worse health today if he had not been carrying on the night when he met St. Trayvon of the Skittles (SBUH).


44 posted on 05/05/2014 10:14:40 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

Bump for later!


45 posted on 05/05/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by dware (3 prohibited topics in mixed company: politics, religion and operating systems...)
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To: rktman

We also have a professionally done guide: It’s called the SECOND AMENDMENT.

And the international statistics (over 200 million dead at the hands of their own governments) SHOULD BE all the evidence needed. If and when Americans are no longer intelligent enough to grasp the WHY of the Second Amendment, this place and all the freedoms from tyranny it once represented — will deserve to perish.

And it will!


46 posted on 05/05/2014 12:05:35 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: rktman

If safety is the issue then the research prove that more guns equals less crime and more lives saved.


47 posted on 05/05/2014 12:18:11 PM PDT by nomad
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Excellent - do as much as you can, when you can. I'm seeing a correlation between gun control and the land grabbing going on. I was scratching my head for the longest time wondering WHY all the sudden big gun control pushes out in the West, of all places. Then the Bundy ranch dust-up happened, then the subsequent exposure and unraveling of RICO-level conspiracies to seize public lands for the benefit of shady business dealings and snatch up even more to add to inventory - now it's making sense. Americans in the West are literally being threatened by a hostile army under the direction of a corrupt political cabal - disarming the intended victims would make things go so much smoother for their conquest. Now they are in a pickle after bringing attention on to themselves after such a blatant overreach. Every angle needs to be pursued to find remedies to shut those thugs down before something gets way out of hand - they're arrogant enough to think that they can create chaos and then have the ability to control it. It never works that way, yet idiots throughout history thought they had the skills to do it.
 

48 posted on 05/05/2014 1:31:17 PM PDT by lapsus calami (What's that stink? Code Pink ! ! And their buddy Murtha, too!)
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To: rktman
A professional liar gives advice in crafting lies. It isn't anything we haven't heard a hundred times before. There are, of course, problems with "framing" when it entails demonizing a sizable portion of the population. And that's really what's in play here - fool enough people to carry the vote and oppress the hell out of the rest.

Now this business of focusing on success might be good advice in the absence of the track record of gun control in this country. The author bewails the progress gun freedom has made of late and then offers this:

Since 1993, the rate of gun homicides has dropped by a third while the number of nonfatal gun crimes has dropped by 69 percent, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. On every metric that matters, we are safer from guns today than we were 20 years ago.

Correct, we are. And yet there are more of them about and gun control is losing in the polls and the legislative houses. What to make of that? Why, frame it as a record of success for gun control! Sorry, bud, nobody's buying.

49 posted on 05/05/2014 1:53:37 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: rktman

The anti-gunners have been trying this for about 15 years now and it is going nowhere. But they still keep trying. They will try any gimmick they can think of. Still the same base sides with them. However the same base sides with the other side. One difference, the other side is truthful!


50 posted on 05/05/2014 3:31:15 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: rktman
"They" never give up. "Never"...........

Every action should be causing a reaction.

We shall see..........

51 posted on 05/05/2014 3:38:09 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: rktman; All

Dispelling the myth of the “wild west”

In his book, Frontier Violence: Another Look, author W. Eugene Hollon, provides us with these astonishing facts:
•In Abilene, Ellsworth, Wichita, Dodge City, and Caldwell, for the years from 1870 to 1885, there were only 45 total homicides. This equates to a rate of approximately 1 murder per 100,000 residents per year.
•In Abilene, supposedly one of the wildest of the cow towns, not a single person was killed in 1869 or 1870.

Zooming forward over a century to 2007, a quick look at Uniform Crime Report statistics shows us the following regarding the aforementioned gun control “paradise” cities of the east:

•DC – 183 Murders (31 per 100,000 residents)

Baltimore – 281 Murders (45 per 100,000 residents)

Newark – 104 Murders (37 per 100,000 residents)

It doesn’t take an advanced degree in statistics to see that a return to “wild west” levels of violent crime would be a huge improvement for the residents of these cities.

The truth of the matter is that the “wild west” wasn’t wild at all … not compared to a Saturday night in Newark.

http://www.examiner.com/article/dispelling-the-myth-of-the-wild-west


52 posted on 05/06/2014 2:27:23 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lastchance
Say 'No' to Bad Science
53 posted on 05/06/2014 4:35:14 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Fido969
This idea is a retread.

Indeed. Decades old. The trouble is that every twenty years or so, they get a fresh crop of young minds to try and poison. This is done through the public schools. The antigun leftists who inhabit these ever "enlightened" classrooms are old guard who are always refining the message to appeal to their innocent, TRUSTING young minds. They refine the message by learning what has not worked in the past and correcting those mistakes, so they can try again. In years past (as when I was growing up) there was always a voice of reason at home and at church to give illumination to the lies. But when the parents have been raised on the same pabulum and propaganda and maybe the grandparents as well and the police are also products of the public schools and their antigun curriculums, it gets repetitive and in the eyes and ears of the young, it rings true. There are fewer and fewer teachers (like myself) left to try and shovel against the rising tide. I'm so looking forward to my own retirement in just a few years. I've fought the good fight for over 25 years, I need to rest.

54 posted on 05/06/2014 6:54:50 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: jdege

I agree.


55 posted on 05/08/2014 12:45:38 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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