Skip to comments.Jay Carney: I don’t know if we’ll cooperate with the Benghazi select committee
Posted on 05/05/2014 2:23:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Lot o strategizin happening today vis-a-vis the committee, and not just on the GOP side. Greg Sargent hears from a source on the Hill that Pelosi and company are trying to decide whether to boycott.
A House Dem leadership aide points out that there is precedent for such a boycott. Back in 2005, House Dem leaders declined to participate in GOP hearings into what went wrong with the Bush administrations response to the Katrina disaster, arguing that Republicans had set up the committee in a way that ensured it would not conduct a serious probe into what happened.
The House Dem leadership aide notes that Dems are looking at their 2005 response as a possible model on how to respond to the new Benghazi committee, though no decisions have been made.
There is deep concern in the Caucus that participation in this sham committee, like the 2005 Katrina committee, would serve to legitimize what has and by all signs will continue to be a political operation, the Dem leadership aide tells me.
Steny Hoyer told Politico today that they havent decided what to do yet. I made the case for why boycotting is smart-ish in the last post; if your goal is to delegitimize the proceedings, theres no clearer way to make that point (especially to your friends in the media, who undoubtedly share your contempt for this) than to skip it entirely. The counterargument is that the average low-information voter watching soundbites of the days hearings at 10 p.m. on cable either wont know or wont care about the boycott. All hell know is that Trey Gowdy is pounding the table and seems utterly convinced that theres a cover-up, and that the witness hes grilling seems shifty and nervous. If youre a Dem, maybe its better to have people on the committee pounding the table about what a farce this all is so that the news networks have something for the counterpoint part of the soundbite highlight reel.
What Democrats are really trying to do right now, I think, is calculate the odds that theres something hugely damaging out there that might be uncovered by the committee in other words, the odds that the GOPs been right about Benghazi all along. Looks to me like theyre 90 percent sure that thisll be a nothingburger, but that remaining 10 percent carries a big risk. Namely, if they participate in the committee, spend three weeks screeching that its a sham and an insult to the president, and then a smoking gun turns up, theyll be as humiliated as Obama is. Thats another reason to boycott, to keep their distance not only from a committee that their base finds dubious but to keep their distance from any findings that might truly hurt O. Or would their absence actually backfire by signaling to the public that they didnt care enough to find the truth? Political actors dont like uncertainty and Pelosis dealing with a lot of uncertainty right now.
Exit question for legal eagles: What would it mean for the White House to not cooperate with the committee? I assume that means claiming executive privilege over documents that Gowdy wants, which has worked so far in other contexts to hinder GOP investigations but would look awfully shady in this case, especially with the White House bleating that this is all much ado about nothing. Would they, or could they, refuse to send witnesses too? Even Kerry and Hillary routinely appear/appeared before Congress. Itd look suspicious if the key players suddenly clammed up now.
Nothing but lawless scum.
Seems like grounds for impeachment right there!
I’d appreciate it more if he just honestly says: “No, we won’t cooperate at all.”
Carney, et al. = SOBS!
The W.H. refuses to be held accountable for actions
Islands tipping over?
US flag on Mars?
Keep your doctor?
Pass the bill to see what's in it?
The people that made these statements are all still in office, unashamed, unbowed.
Orange Jumpsuits come in many sizes...
Posturing is more important than the truth. That should be the Democrat’s motto.
every cop in the world says, “it’s only going to look bad for you if you don’t get out in front of this and tell your side of the story”. It’s typically false when they say it but let’s hope the American people get tired of the arrogance and get tired of the lies.
Islands tipping over?
US flag on Mars?
Keep your doctor?
Pass the bill to see what’s in it?
That’s just a small sample of the idiocy that comes from these people. Can you imagine sitting down and trying to have a conversation with one of them? I’m sure the topics are extremely limited.
The Dem motto is whatever we can get away with.
The W.H. believes it is above the law.
Does Liar-Jay C. telegraph Obama’s Grand Plan to stay in Power?
Does this rise to the level of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, an Impeachable offense?
Will 0 end up pleading the 5th also!
Hostile witnesses are not excused because they won’t “co-operate”.
They had better be very, very careful how and when they duck behind the Fifth Amendment, and possible perjury that could arise in the course of a line of inquiry.
Because that action is very telling in and of itself.
The precedent in legal matters is very compelling.
Look what happened to Scooter Libby on a very minor matter.
Wonder if you'll cooperate after an impeachment and removal, you putz.
No seriously. I wonder if you will.
“Fine. Let America learn once and for all that there was a coup on our gov’t in 2008 and they answer to NO ONE.”
America would have to pay attention in order to learn that lesson.
Let’s hope that most Americans actually recognize the arrogance and the lies. Big Media is promoting the lies as truth.
Nothing different about this. When have they ever cooperated?
Of course they won’t cooperate with the Select Committee either. The ONLY reason there is a Select Committee is because the WH obstructed and didn’t cooperate with previous committees by withholding documents and evidence which had been subpoenaed.
I think that SCOTUS already ruled with Clinton that executive privilege is not a blanket privilege. In order for the President to invoke executive privilege, it has to be something that he was a party to, not just his aides talking to each other or aides to external agencies.
If Obama were to invoke executive privilege, it would be an admission that he was directly involved.
They should bring in families members of those killed at Benghazi. That would put a human face on what happened (and how they were lied to), two years ago, dude.
Trey better watch his six. The klintoons have bodies stacked around the like so much cord wood. Then there’s obozo who recently joked that he was “good at killing people.” If Trey Gowdy turns up with three bullets in his head and it’s ruled “suicide”, there WILL be a revolution.
They don’t comply with Congressional subpena’s at all...ever...
Blatant lawless scum. The only cure for this ill is an uprising of one kind or another.
The MSM decided the President does not have to do anything but spend tax money, redistribute tax money and go play golf and take vacations.
Of course there is.
An AWOL CIC.
All Americans should fear that at any time, their duly appointed and elected officials will abandon us for any reason, including to die or be imprisoned without recourse.
You mean the fact that this administration was funneling weapons and explosives to al Qaeda?
Carney does remind me of Jar Jar Binks these days - the one guy in the flick that everybody is fantasizing a horrible fate for. Hope Jar Jar isn’t offended by the comparison.
If the Rats do decide to attend, they will be acting as counsel for the WH and will do everything in their power to obfuscate and cover up for Obummer.
" C'mon guys. Gimme a break. I'm on life support, here.
If we don't save Hillary's ***, I'm looking at Ft Marcy Park."
Apologies for the lack of paragraph indents!
As Susan Rice and Tommy Vietor amply demonstrated, Obama's national security team is surpassed in braindeadness only by Hillary's all-girl State Dept team.
Mmmmmm....when the national security team couples w/ the State Dept team at "meet and greet" night, NSA advisor Tommy-boy gets his pick of the State Dept chicks. Luckily he's still got the press van he used to drive w/ a learner's permit....his first job w/ Obama, before he was given US ntl security clearance.
Little Tommys interview with Brett Baier on what happened the night of the attack on Benghazi went viral, and has aroused strong reactions. Americans are creeped out by the these White House responses in a way that goes beyond the dearth of facts.
Its like an inside joke they don't even bother to conceal.
Those wonderful "transparent" Obama years are pock- marked w/ his obstinante refusal to disclose even information not usually regarded as sensitive or even private. He wont even answer questions like where were you born, what were your grades in college......
..... and what was the president doing on the night a US ambassador was being murdered has been dribbled out so reluctantly that the blowback is fierce. The braindead insiders, themselves, dont seem to know they have created a mystery where there shouldnt be one.
For once, Boehner did the right thing by appointing a select committee. Now, he should double down and state publicly that any attempt to stonewall the committee will result in Obama being held directly accountable through the impeachment process, with the definition of ‘stonewalling’ being the exclusive right of Congressman Gowdy.
Is this satire? I didn’t see John Semmens mentioned. SERIOUSLY?
I think it is even bigger than that, although I think that is part of it.
Just look at the lengths to which they have gone to hide the facts and the risks they are taking; the risks being the consequences of the facts becoming known and being liable criminally for lying in order to hide the facts.
As someone posted above, look what happened to Scooter Libby.
And Martha Stewart.
There has to be something big for the dims to be so afraid.
Gowdy is pro amnesty, so, as a congressman he isn’t doing well around here.
As a lawyer, he is fierce. He has talent, and has lost only one case in his career. He is not Issa. If he pisses off Elijah, he’ll finish the job.
He is probably rubbing his hands together, rolling up his sleeves, just for the work and the challenge. And if he’s really smart, he’ll sequester his family.
He will research this and won’t sit around smoking cigars slapping people.
If he’s persuadable, that’ll be a problem.
He won’t turn into a 4-year old, such a common sight, on being insulted by the press, SNL, or those nasty lobbyists from the C of C.
It might be very interesting.
How dare anyone question the mac daddy administration, we have been noting but truthful to the American people.
Two words -- Iran-Contra -- and any threat from that quarter is over and done with.
There is something else-- something far more serious -- driving this cover-up. Personally, I'm thinking it might've been a planned kidnapping of an American Ambassador, morphing into a swap for the Blind Sheikh immediately prior to the election.
But, when the Ambassador turned up dead, "the video did it" became Plan B.
It’s not about the families. They were diplomats, not tourists.
The pundits are constantly swaying this to the four dead americans thing.
THe only reason this won’t go away is because it is an international incident. It is no different from what happened in 1979 in Iran. The numbers are different. That’s it.
I said it on 11 sept 2012, the administration cannot wish this away. our enemies and allies are watching our reaction to this, and it is anti American that the Administration and it’s State Dept don’t care enough about the embassy people to do anything about this.
That’s why it won’t go away.