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Joe Biden on illegal immigrants: The 11 million people in the shadows are “already Americans”
Hotair ^ | 05/05/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 05/05/2014 6:26:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Last month, Rand Paul was asked what he thought of Jeb Bush’s “act of love” comment about illegals. They’re not bad people, Paul conceded, but that doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be a limiting principle on illegal immigration. It can’t be that love for a family member who’s here or even love for America itself entitles you to violate the country’s immigration law, especially when we have a welfare state that we can’t pay for already. “You know, the whole world loves America,” he argued, “and they can’t all come.”

Can’t they? If you take Biden seriously, which, granted, is always a bad idea, the world is full of “Americans.” The only difference between those abroad and those who are here is that the latter group’s been a bit more proactive in claiming their citizenship. Or, if you prefer to think of it this way, foreign citizens are just Americans who haven’t been amnestized yet.

Emphasis on “yet.”

Vice President Joe Biden marked Cinco de Mayo, traditionally a celebration of Mexican culture, with an impassioned call for immigration overhaul…

Guests – which included the U.S. ambassador to Mexico, Anthony Wayne, as well as several Hispanic lawmakers – feasted on chorizo and empanadas to the strains of a five-piece Mariachi band…

“I know I was criticized for saying, a couple months ago in Florida, that these 11 million folks in the shadows are already Americans. And I got pretty roundly criticized for that. But you know, they are Americans. They may not be citizens, but they are Americans,” Biden said.

“The definition of Teddy Roosevelt, who said, ‘Americanism is not a question of birthplace or creed, or line of descent, it’s a question of principles, idealism and character.’ And I would argue that those 11 million folks who are here, breaking their neck, working hard, they are Americans,” he added.

He got heckled over the weekend during a commencement address by someone yelling, “Stop deportations!” His reply: “We’ll do that, too, kid, but let me finish my speech.” Speaking of which, via DrewM, here’s the sort of scrupulously fair questions on deportation that House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte got when he went on Univision this weekend. Quote:

JR: But Congressman, many Latinos don’t agree with you. Many Latinos think that President Barack Obama has enforced the laws and to an extreme way. He has deported, as you know, more than 2 million immigrants right now. The number of undocumented immigrants has decreased from 12 million to 11 million. So, he has been enforcing the law.

BG: Let me make it very clear. I don’t agree with that. First of all, the President himself has acknowledged, and the Secretary of Homeland Security Johnson has acknowledged that those numbers are basically cooked. The 369,000 people that were deported last year, two-thirds, almost two-thirds of those people were apprehended at the border. And in prior administrations they would not have been counted, because they were not put through the deportation process. They were simply turned back…

[...]

JR: So you want him to deport more people. Is that…

BG: …forces in the interior of the country. They’re not being enforced.

JR: Alright, so…

BG: And that is the problem. Only people who committed serious crimes.

JR: So your point is that you want more people to be deported?

I knew that Univision was hackish and in the tank for amnesty even by the standards of American media but not until I read the transcript of the Goodlatte interview by Jorge Ramos did I really understand. The “two million deportations” figure that Ramos keeps quoting was debunked weeks ago, by the illegal-friendly LA Times no less. What Goodlatte keeps trying to explain in the quoted bit is that, per the LAT, most of those “deportations” that are showing up in the statistics aren’t deportations as they’re commonly understood. They’re removals of illegals who’ve been caught near the border; in the past those people were simply bused back over into Mexico but now they’re fingerprinted and then formally deported. That’s why Obama’s numbers are so high. Basically, he’s counting catch-and-release as traditional “deportations.” In reality, if you’re an illegal living in the interior of the U.S., you have virtually no chance of being deported so long as you don’t have a criminal record — and even if you do have one, you’ve got a decent chance of being left alone then too.

Ramos knows all of this, I assume, since it’s been big news over the past few months to anyone in media who follows immigration, but the idea that deportations have actually gone down under Obama is rather unhelpful to the cause of amnesty in Congress. So we’re left with the surreal spectacle of demanding that a congressman explain himself for the outre position of believing that American law should be enforced. Just as Biden implied, everyone everywhere is an American. How dare we impede them in “coming home”? Exit question: Did Biden quote Teddy Roosevelt fairly? Read the full passage and see what he left out.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: citizenship; illegals; joebiden

1 posted on 05/05/2014 6:26:20 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Jokin’ Joe, the immigration schmo...


2 posted on 05/05/2014 6:28:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SeekAndFind

The man is painfully stupid.


3 posted on 05/05/2014 6:29:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

They want to balkanize America. Keep us all confused and unfocused, at each other’s throats if possible. It’s the only way they can keep power.


4 posted on 05/05/2014 6:29:41 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL still sticking with that 11 million number, even though 9 million was the revised 2000 figure.

What a dumb ass...


5 posted on 05/05/2014 6:29:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SeekAndFind

They live in North America, so all Mexicans are Americans.


6 posted on 05/05/2014 6:30:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: SeekAndFind

Umm...no, Joe. They’re really not; even the ones with a UPS mail drop address that voted for you.


7 posted on 05/05/2014 6:30:38 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good Joe, let them move into your house. YOU can support them.


8 posted on 05/05/2014 6:33:37 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, by that logic, unregistered concealed carriers are already legal carriers.


9 posted on 05/05/2014 6:35:40 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry dumbass but the number of illegals is a lot larger than 11 million. It’s at least three times that, clown boy. And no, THEY AREN’T AMERICANS. Grow up Joe. You’re too old to be still acting like a drooling, slobbering idiot.


10 posted on 05/05/2014 6:38:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think we’re actually looking at about 20-30 million illegals.


11 posted on 05/05/2014 6:40:00 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: nickcarraway

And they all have North American values?


12 posted on 05/05/2014 6:42:52 PM PDT by Zuse (I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Hey it’s not HIS money he’s pending to support them. Its OURs


13 posted on 05/05/2014 6:46:01 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind
That senile Second Clown is the gift that keeps on giving.
In the view of the civilized world, the U.S. is quickly approaching the same international status as Zimbabwe.
14 posted on 05/05/2014 6:48:41 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Joe’s elevator doesn’t go to the top.
His sole purpose: to make Zero impeachment-proof.


15 posted on 05/05/2014 6:49:53 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: SeekAndFind

More American than Obama anyway..


16 posted on 05/05/2014 6:53:06 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Why is Jon Corzine a free man?)
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To: SeekAndFind

> The 11 million people in the shadows are “already Americans”

No, they’re not; they’re criminals and need to be deported immediately.


17 posted on 05/05/2014 6:53:33 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: ealgeone

Like you I have pegged it at a different number.

I suggest 20 to 35 million.

It’s just impossible to knwo.

We had 9 million at a minimum figure in the revised 2000 census figures. Nobody can tell me that less came across our borders than the 1990s figures. That’s 18 million at a minimum. With Bush’s ignorant talk of Amnesty, it had to be more in the 2000s, and we could find clear evidence of that circa the 2000s.

You calculate the children born to these people...

It’s save to assume 20 to 35 million, with 30 million being a safe bet for the actual figure.


18 posted on 05/05/2014 6:54:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: jsanders2001

Yep. Isn’t that the truth!


19 posted on 05/05/2014 6:55:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: BuffaloJack

Brainless Joe is merely stating in particular the philosophy of democrips ... if you don’t get caught you have broken no laws. With the help of the vermin media democrtas break no laws.


20 posted on 05/05/2014 6:57:21 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: tumblindice
Joe’s elevator doesn’t go to the top.
His sole purpose: to make Zero impeachment-proof.

Just to make Zero look better, by way of comparison.
But that's not saying much!

21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:12:57 PM PDT by publius911 ( At least Nixon had the good g race to resign!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fine, they’re Americans in the same way Guatemalans and Peruvians are Americans. They’re from the Americas.


22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:24:12 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When are the millions and millions of illegal drug users going to be arrested and sent to jail? Illegal is illegal, right?


23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:25:04 PM PDT by Misterioso
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To: SeekAndFind

Cinco de mayo is not about Mexican culture.


24 posted on 05/05/2014 7:43:10 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: SeekAndFind

Wow. I suggest we all start having our babies at home, don’t get birth certificate. Don’t get S.S. cards. Home school them and teach them skills they can do for cash. They won’t be subject to labor laws, tax laws EPA laws, or licensing! Lets see what he thinks of that!


25 posted on 05/05/2014 7:47:05 PM PDT by Boiling point (Socialism; Ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

the strains of a five-piece Mariachi band…
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I used to have LPs of Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass...


26 posted on 05/05/2014 7:49:47 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Today is May Fifth, US National MEXICAN GO HOME DAY!


27 posted on 05/05/2014 7:57:59 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's not 11 million. It's 30+ million!
28 posted on 05/05/2014 8:16:16 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Ask the people who got here legal,they are against it.Consider this,the people who come here for jobs leave for their homeland when the jobs dry up.I saw it with my own eyes.This is a run away Presidency that does not listen to the people in gay rights,obamacare and aliens but does not find the jobs that were promised.
29 posted on 05/05/2014 8:26:03 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SeekAndFind

then why are they playing spanish music in stores and why don’t they speak english. why are the merchants and governments printing signs in spanish. I AM AN AMERICAN AND I SPEAK ENGLISH.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 8:32:37 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: SeekAndFind

yeah joe, they’re CENTRAL americans. NOT USA CITIZENS.


31 posted on 05/05/2014 8:34:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind
What are the other 30 million?--Sigh!

Just lovin family peope, no doubt.

Bless their pea pickin' hearts.

vudine

32 posted on 05/05/2014 8:35:40 PM PDT by vaudine
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To: jmacusa

A woman I work with is of Mexican descent, I didn’t know, but I was discussing Cinco de Mayo with a guard and told him that they do not celebrate it in Mexico and she confirmed saying that Mexicans are offended by it since their independence day is in September.


33 posted on 05/05/2014 8:35:50 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: skeeter
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34 posted on 05/05/2014 8:51:56 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Mexicans...we don’t want any more of you. We Americans DO NOT want to press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish. We are not racists, we are sick of foreigners coming in and demanding handouts.


35 posted on 05/05/2014 9:03:06 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why would any illegals believe promises from Slow Joe? He and 0bama do not execute and honor the laws currently on the books


36 posted on 05/05/2014 9:24:37 PM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: huldah1776

A nations currency is a nations language and ours is printed in English. Mexicans and any other immigrant group that come don’t want to be paid in the currency of the country they ran away from. They want to be paid in currency printed in English.


37 posted on 05/05/2014 9:28:32 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: publius911

Joe Biden is dead from the neck up.


38 posted on 05/05/2014 9:29:07 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: SeekAndFind

As long as the other 29 Million aren’t, we might have a fighting chance.


39 posted on 05/05/2014 9:29:11 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Nobody owes you a living, so shut up and get back to work...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Joe Biden on illegal immigrants: The 11 million people in the shadows are “already Americans”

JoJo, you mean they're already exercising their "voting for Democrat" franchise?
Big surprise that one, clown boy.

40 posted on 05/06/2014 6:02:13 AM PDT by Amagi (Lenin: "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.")
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To: DoughtyOne

It has to be a big enough number that would totally ensure permanent dim control.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 2:12:43 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone

Agreed


42 posted on 05/09/2014 8:31:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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