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Bring the Guillotine Back to Death Row
The Atlantic ^ | May 2, 2014 | Conor Friedersdorf

Posted on 05/05/2014 7:14:23 PM PDT by grundle

A quick, painless, gruesome way to carry out capital punishment

If I were governor of a state that executed prisoners I'd declare a moratorium for my entire tenure. I wish that the United States would stop imposing the death penalty. I nevertheless find myself nodding along to Sonny Bunch's case for reintroducing the guillotine, a response to the botched execution of a death-row inmate in Oklahoma.

He argues that America has made its executions bloodless to protect the sensibilities of those who support the death penalty, with less humane killings as a result. (The electric chair. The gas chamber. Lethal injections. All have had horrific problems.)

Bunch writes:

"The guillotine really seems to solve everyone’s problems: It was designed to deliver an efficient, quick, and painless death. It performs that task admirably. I understand the irony of a reactionary such as myself embracing the Terror’s preferred method of execution, but one must give credit where it’s due."

"If we’re going to do something—and a large number of Americans and American states are pretty committed to performing executions—we ought to do it right. And “right” in this case means a quick and painless death. I can’t really imagine any reasonable objections to a widespread adoption of the guillotine."

I can imagine one objection: that the guillotine is barbaric.

But to me, that's a point in its favor. Let's have no illusions about what we're doing when the state carries out the killing of captive prisoners. I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling.

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1 posted on 05/05/2014 7:14:23 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

It is actually a pretty painless way to go.


2 posted on 05/05/2014 7:15:55 PM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: grundle

...and it makes great julian fries when not in use.


3 posted on 05/05/2014 7:16:32 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: grundle

Back?

I didn’t know they ever used it here.


4 posted on 05/05/2014 7:16:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: grundle

Kind of hard to botch an execution with a guillotine...

But it can be done.... There is no 100% surefire way.


5 posted on 05/05/2014 7:17:55 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: grundle

(The electric chair. The gas chamber. Lethal injections. All have had horrific problems.)

I dunno, firing squads and hanging worked pretty well.

Personally, I’d just as soon see them sentenced to death and then turned over to the family and friends of the murder victim.


6 posted on 05/05/2014 7:20:02 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: GraceG

"How could you miss?"
"He moved."
"Shut up! Go and practice."

7 posted on 05/05/2014 7:20:39 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: grundle
I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling.

IMO they should reinstate the guillotine and auction off the rights to pull the cord. It would go a long way toward reducing both recidivism and the debt.

8 posted on 05/05/2014 7:20:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: grundle

The constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, it does not guarantee a painless execution.


9 posted on 05/05/2014 7:22:40 PM PDT by umgud
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To: grundle

Nitrogen Asphxiation

Strap the condemned down
put on a brain wave monitor
put on a breathing mask
apply 1.1 atmospheres of 99% pure nitrogen
Condemned passes out painlessly
wait till the brain waves go flat


10 posted on 05/05/2014 7:24:03 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol

Fly them over an active volcano and kick their ass out.


11 posted on 05/05/2014 7:25:57 PM PDT by umgud
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To: grundle

If I were sentenced to death, I’d choose firing squad.


12 posted on 05/05/2014 7:25:59 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I dunno, firing squads and hanging worked pretty well.

Firing squads can miss. Hanging actually requires careful mathemateics to ensure you quickly break the condemned's knock without decapitating him.

The guillotine was one of the few inventions the French got right. Quick, painless, physician not needed to determine death has occurred.

13 posted on 05/05/2014 7:26:54 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: grundle

If hanging was good enough for the Nazis at Nuremburg, then it should be good enough today.


14 posted on 05/05/2014 7:27:35 PM PDT by rotstan
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To: Drew68

I think too, a few people have survived hangings.

I think it might have been old West justice, if you survived a hanging, you were free to go.


15 posted on 05/05/2014 7:28:31 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: grundle

I bought a little plastic model guillotine, Revell, Aurora? ‘Chamber of Horrors’. Little guy, you could stand him up, slide him over to the blade, raise the blade, strike off his little head. Of course the real fun was sniffing that Testor’s glue and paint ...


16 posted on 05/05/2014 7:29:57 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: BeadCounter

A condemned prisoner in Utah chose firing squad over lethal injection in 2010.


17 posted on 05/05/2014 7:30:18 PM PDT by BeadCounter
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To: BipolarBob

Not so much, as there is evidence that the brain still functins for several minutes after decapatation.

I kinda like the way the Romans did it, you know four horses, four limbs.

Of course burning at the stake is not a lot of fun either.
/s


18 posted on 05/05/2014 7:31:43 PM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: dfwgator
When the Bourbons executed Napoleon's field marshal Joachim Murat, Murat was allowed to give the order to fire:

"Soldiers! Do your duty! Straight to the heart but spare the face. Fire!"

19 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:20 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Drew68
Firing squads can miss.

Not if you give all the shooters several rounds and semi-auto rifles. Hanging actually requires careful mathemateics to ensure you quickly break the condemned's knock without decapitating him.

Hell with that, just kick the chair out from under them and walk away.

20 posted on 05/05/2014 7:32:45 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: grundle

OK, but in Ill-Annoy we have to get the death penalty back first.


21 posted on 05/05/2014 7:33:13 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: tumblindice

I had one of those ;’)


22 posted on 05/05/2014 7:37:46 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: grundle
botched execution of a death-row inmate in Oklahoma.

It wasn't "botched", he is dead; it was successful.

23 posted on 05/05/2014 7:38:08 PM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: grundle
On a beautiful Sunday afternoon in the midst of the French Revolution the revolting citizens led a priest, a drunkard and an engineer to the guillotine. They ask the priest if he wants to face up or down when he meets his fate. The priest says he would like to face up so he will be looking towards heaven when he dies. They raise the blade of the guillotine and release it. It comes speeding down and suddenly stops just inches from his neck. The authorities take this as divine intervention and release the priest.

The drunkard comes to the guillotine next. He also decides to die face up, hoping that he will be as fortunate as the priest. They raise the blade of the guillotine and release it. It comes speeding down and suddenly stops just inches from his neck. Again, the authorities take this as a sign of divine intervention, and they release the drunkard as well.

Next is the engineer. He, too, decides to die facing up. As they slowly raise the blade of the guillotine, the engineer suddenly says, "Hey, I see what your problem is ..."

24 posted on 05/05/2014 7:38:39 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: grundle

I don’t see why a massive overdose of pure heroin is out of the question.

But the liberals don’t want efficient executions - then they’d have nothing to denounce as “barbaric”.


25 posted on 05/05/2014 7:38:56 PM PDT by Argus
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To: rockrr

I’ve always favored doing executions during the Super bowl half time. Using the gillotine would be perfect. Line them up and do multiple executions like the hangings of old. Hold a national lottery for choosing executioners. Winner would also get to chose the background music.


26 posted on 05/05/2014 7:39:44 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: dfwgator

Looks like all the shooters in your Firing Squad pic are using different guns! LOL.


27 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:07 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Drew68

Shotgun blast at the base of the skull upwards into the brainpan. Guaranteed instant death.


28 posted on 05/05/2014 7:40:07 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: BeadCounter

And in 1976, in UTAH!


29 posted on 05/05/2014 7:42:08 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: BipolarBob

Energy-efficient. Dems should love that. And, no heavy-metals cleanup issues.


30 posted on 05/05/2014 7:42:34 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: grundle

Bring it to Capital Hill, park it right outside the Capital entrance one day, then over to the Senate Office building one day, then over to the House Office building......

:-)


31 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:00 PM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: tumblindice

“I bought a little plastic model guillotine, Revell, Aurora? ‘Chamber of Horrors’. Little guy, you could stand him up, slide him over to the blade, raise the blade, strike off his little head. Of course the real fun was sniffing that Testor’s glue and paint ...”

I had a friend with one of these, his mom did a GREAT job of painting it. Definitely not PC these days...it’s probably worth four figures built or unbuilt.


32 posted on 05/05/2014 7:44:39 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: MUDDOG

“Shoot straight you bastards, don’t make a mess of it.” - Breaker Morant


33 posted on 05/05/2014 7:45:50 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: rockrr

And the Phantom of the Opera, and Frankenstein’s monster too?
As the oldest, of course I scared my siblings at times but these things kept them out of my room!


34 posted on 05/05/2014 7:47:34 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: grundle

There are better and more effective methods of capital punishment. If William Wallace can die in the following way, so can thugs in America. Walace was stripped naked and dragged through the city at the heels of a horse to the Elms at Smithfield. He was hanged, drawn and quartered — strangled by hanging, but released while he was still alive, emasculated, eviscerated and his bowels burnt before him, beheaded, then cut into four parts. His preserved head (dipped in tar) was placed on a pike.


35 posted on 05/05/2014 7:48:08 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Afraid I blew them up with fireworks, just before I discovered girls. ;^)


36 posted on 05/05/2014 7:49:54 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Hell with that, just kick the chair out from under them and walk away.

In a just world, yes. But there's that whole "cruel and unusual" thing in the way.

37 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:36 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: tumblindice

But of course!

I was also a big Charles Addams fan which I’m sure distressed my mom. My sense of humor was forever warped but I turned out otherwise alright (I think).

;’)


38 posted on 05/05/2014 7:53:45 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: dfwgator

Interesting. I can hear him say “strite.”


39 posted on 05/05/2014 7:54:22 PM PDT by MUDDOG
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To: Drew68
that whole "cruel and unusual" thing

However they did executions at time of the signing of the Constitution ought to still be valid today.

40 posted on 05/05/2014 7:57:33 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: BipolarBob
It is actually a pretty painless way to go.

How would you know?

From the time the head is chopped off and the carotid arteries are severed until the time the brain loses all blood and then loses consciousness could be five seconds. Those must be pretty painful and unpleasant seconds.

I just think it's too much of a disgusting mess. Do you have any idea how much of a mess cutting off someone's head makes? Who's supposed to clean that up?

Also, there is too much association with the horrors of the French Revolution, an historical disaster from which we are still recovering (if indeed we ever do). Bullets are cheaper, faster, and less messy. No need for fancy equipment.

41 posted on 05/05/2014 8:00:31 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: BipolarBob

But who is going to clean up the mess?


42 posted on 05/05/2014 8:01:43 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: MUDDOG

Murat was so unbelievably vain. He just could not get over how pretty he was.


43 posted on 05/05/2014 8:03:02 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: grundle

Beheading sounds so ..... mooslum.


44 posted on 05/05/2014 8:05:03 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: grundle

Hanging (when done by an expert as it was in England during the 20th Century) is incredibly quick and unlikely to go wrong. There are horror stories associated with hangings, but they tended to involve situations where the executioner was not a professional.


45 posted on 05/05/2014 8:06:34 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: BeadCounter

Man who survived a firing squad.
http://weirdthings.com/2010/06/the-man-who-survived-10-shots-from-a-mexican-firing-squad-weirdest-survival-stories/


46 posted on 05/05/2014 8:08:52 PM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: grundle

Garrote seems like it gets the job done without the blood mess.


47 posted on 05/05/2014 8:09:17 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: naturalman1975
If people want to understand what I mean by hanging done by an expert, check out the movie Pierrepoint which very accurately shows how it was done in England. Albert Pierrepoint came from a family of hangmen and executed at least 400 people - some estimates say 600 - including a number of the Nazis executed after the Second World War. He and others like him got it down to an art form, where the criminal would be painlessly dead within thirty seconds of their cell door being opened.
48 posted on 05/05/2014 8:09:29 PM PDT by naturalman1975 ("America was under attack. Australia was immediately there to help." - John Winston Howard)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Wallace was not unique in experiencing that form of execution. That was the typical traitor’s death. For a long time there was a saying in England that “if you did not have an ancestor quartered, you are not a gentleman.” Which is to say that the ordinary footsoldier in the armies of any rebellion would not receive such an elaborate execution; only rebellious nobles and other ringleaders of insurrection would be treated this way.

I recall reading of one man executed for religious reasons. He was permitted to die by hanging, but the rope broke. As the executioner organized a fresh rope, the condemned man ran back up the steps of the gallows. He was asked why he hastened to die, and he replied eagerly, “If you had seen what I saw as I was hanging, you would want to die, too.” Or words to that effect. I think he was an English Catholic martyr. Perhaps another Freeper recalls the name of the dead man and has a more accurate account.


49 posted on 05/05/2014 8:10:42 PM PDT by ottbmare (the OTTB mare, now a proud Marine Mom)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

^Also make sure brats who like to cause trouble watch to make it clear where they are headed if they keep messing with the law.


50 posted on 05/05/2014 8:11:45 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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