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Romneycare Is Still Haunting Republicans
The Wire ^ | 05/06/2014 | ARIT JOHN

Posted on 05/06/2014 7:30:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Romneycare, that awkward reminder that Republicans tried to expand health care first, continues to haunt the party. On the same day that Massachusetts announced it was scrapping their busted Romneycare exchange, a new Harvard study shows that the mortality rate dropped in Massachusetts after Romney's version of Obamacare took effect in 2006.

The Annals of Internal Medicine study tracked deaths in the state from 2001 to 2010 and compared the rate to counties in New England with similar demographics. It found that the mortality rate dropped by 3 percent in the four years after the health care expansion, according to The New York Times. Nationwide, if the mortality rate dropped 3 percent, that would amount to 17,000 lives. Areas with poor and previously uninsured individuals benefited the most from health insurance and saw the sharpest decline in deaths.

In other words, Romneycare has made a very strong case that Obamacare will save lives. While this study doesn't definitively prove that access to health insurance improves health — it's possible there was some factor the study didn't account for — it's the most compelling argument yet. "It seems pretty clear that expanding insurance coverage will lead to gains in saving lives," Benjamin Sommers, the Harvard University School of Public Health assistant professor who led the study told Vox's Sarah Kliff. "What I don't think you can argue anymore is that health insurance doesn't matter."

(Excerpt) Read more at thewire.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: mittromney; obamacare; romneycare

1 posted on 05/06/2014 7:30:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Dude, this was like Eight years ago!
2 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:17 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s only haunting the moderates and their preferred candidates. It’s not haunting us.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:33 AM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wishful thinking on the part of the author.

Romneycare is so not an issue. Not at all.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 7:38:00 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
The forgotten Amendment:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

5 posted on 05/06/2014 7:38:57 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (I never thought anyone could make Jimmy Carter look good in comparison.a)
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To: SeekAndFind
"a new Harvard study shows that the mortality rate dropped in Massachusetts after Romney's version of Obamacare took effect in 2006."

I'm pretty sure the mortality rate was 100% both before and after Romneycare.

6 posted on 05/06/2014 7:39:03 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: SeekAndFind
is a state wants to try such things, let them...aren't we if nothing else all for STATE'S RIGHTS????

its a far, far, far thing from the feds mandating the whole country....

7 posted on 05/06/2014 7:39:36 AM PDT by cherry
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To: SeekAndFind
. . . and it won'y quit haunting them until they repeal ObaMaoCare rather than just trying to "fix" it.

ObaMaoCare needs to be fixed only in the same sense of the word as "fixing" a tom cat-- total castration and neutering.

8 posted on 05/06/2014 7:40:44 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: circlecity

I totally trust our politically independent friends at Harvard not to cook the books.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 7:41:12 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Romneycare Is Still Haunting Republicans..."

.... Doesn't the 10th Amendment clearly state that anything not specifically spelled out in the Constitution is supposed to be automatically deferred to the states? So doesn't healthcare therefore become a state issue and not a Federal issue?

10 posted on 05/06/2014 7:43:41 AM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: SeekAndFind

RomneyCare, ObamaCare, the VA, Oregon,... how’s that “free healthcare” thing working out for you?


11 posted on 05/06/2014 7:48:30 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: cherry
is a state wants to try such things, let them...aren't we if nothing else all for STATE'S RIGHTS????

its a far, far, far thing from the feds mandating the whole country….

Shhh….you can't say that on Free Republic. I mean, it's true, but you can't say that without being called a RINO, secret pro abort, Karl Rove conspirator.

12 posted on 05/06/2014 7:49:35 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: circlecity

“I’m pretty sure the mortality rate was 100% both before and after Romneycare.”

That just made me laugh this morning (in a good way).


13 posted on 05/06/2014 7:58:23 AM PDT by mouske
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh, so they have proven causality statistically? I just can’t find that in the article. Must have run out of space.


14 posted on 05/06/2014 8:09:23 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Responsibility2nd

It is for the democRats against the republiCrats, not Conservatives. Rats and Crats, what`s the difference?


15 posted on 05/06/2014 8:58:40 AM PDT by nomad
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To: C. Edmund Wright; cherry
Shhh….you can't say that on Free Republic. I mean, it's true, but you can't say that without being called a RINO, secret pro abort, Karl Rove conspirator.

A liberal at the state level, or the city level, or the county or federal level, is still a liberal, and conservatives oppose liberals.

Romney was liberal, he supported liberalism at whatever level he could get to, just like all liberals and libertarians do.

16 posted on 05/06/2014 11:12:24 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

I agree Romney was a liberal. And I agree that he deserves opposition. But, a conservative premise is the Tenth Amendment, and a state program is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT a Federal program….and the FOUNDERS…those CONSERVATIVE WHITE GUYS were in favor of states trying things to see if they work. They referred to the states as “laboratories” in fact.

So Romney Care is bad. Romney is way too liberal, but there are some distinctions…..


17 posted on 05/06/2014 11:37:55 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

A conservative principle is to oppose liberalism, at whatever level of government the liberal or libertarian is pushing it.

Romney was not for states rights, and he was for Romney/Obamacare, at the state when he had the power to impose it, and at the federal if he got the power to impose it there.

As voters and campaign workers and activists, we are not here to play games with liberal/libertarian scum.

You might notice how they talk about gay marriage as a state issue, even as they run for president, knowing full well about the federal involvement in gay marriage and that they are running for federal office, not state office, they just hope the public will fall for their game.


18 posted on 05/06/2014 12:14:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12

You keep trying to score points by making statements that we all agree on, and then strutting around like you said something significant. You have not.

And I am not going to join your little mental m-st-rbat-ion exercise to prove that I hate Romney more than you do. That’s such an infantile game played often here, still, on FR.

But we should, as conservatives, understand a few things. First, a state program by definition is NOT AS BAD as a Federal program. They can both be liberal, and they can both be bad, but one is consistent with the very important Tenth Amendment, and the other is not. And THATS a fact Jack.


19 posted on 05/06/2014 12:21:28 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Score points? I’m not playing a game.

When this was posted about romneycare, “”is a state wants to try such things, let them.””

You jumped in support for Romney and romneycare with both feet and went after freerepublic and conservatives, you didn’t post about the 10th amendment, instead you slapped at freerepublic and the conservatives, for being anti-abortion, anti-rino, and anti-Rove, in defense of Romney (the thread topic).

“”Shhh….you can’t say that on Free Republic. I mean, it’s true, but you can’t say that without being called a RINO, secret pro abort, Karl Rove conspirator.””


20 posted on 05/06/2014 12:39:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Romneycare is so not an issue. Not at all.

You're right. It certainly never was an issue for the hypocrites who called themselves conservatives while carrying water for that pro abortion, anti 2nd amendment, big government fascist...because it's cool when you do all that at the state level.

21 posted on 05/06/2014 12:48:15 PM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: ansel12
You jumped in support for Romney and romneycare with both feet and went after conservatives and Free Republic

Now you're just being retarded. I did no such thing on Romney and romney care….you can't point to a single, not a single damned time where I was pro Romney Care or pro Romney. You're just an unhappy pathetic troll. And FTR, there are a LOT of folks on FR who are NOT conservative on many issues….that's not "went after" Free Republic, that's just admitting that a lot of folks don't understand what the hell a free republic is…...

22 posted on 05/06/2014 1:05:45 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Wow, you do go after people with personal attacks and rage. Your post 12 sure seems defensive and hostile towards FR, it was so strange to post what you did, tying in conservative hostility to romneycare and Romney with claiming that FR would call you secretly pro-abortion, and a rino, you just brought all that up out of nowhere.

To: cherry
is a state wants to try such things, let them...aren't we if nothing else all for STATE'S RIGHTS???? its a far, far, far thing from the feds mandating the whole country….

Shhh….you can't say that on Free Republic. I mean, it's true, but you can't say that without being called a RINO, secret pro abort, Karl Rove conspirator.
12 posted on 5/6/2014 7:49:35 AM by C. Edmund Wright

23 posted on 05/06/2014 1:25:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind
Romneycare, that awkward reminder that Republicans tried to expand health care first...

Really? Even though it was a decade after Hillarycare in 1993?

-PJ

24 posted on 05/06/2014 1:27:38 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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