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Asians outperform white students because they try harder: study
Yahoo News ^ | 5-6-2014

Posted on 05/06/2014 8:56:56 AM PDT by equalator

"Asian-Americans enter school with no discernible academic advantage over whites," said the study, noting that "advantage grows over time."

By fifth grade, or age 10-11, Asian-Americans "significantly outperform whites," and the peak difference is reached by grade 10, or age 15-16.

"Overall, these results suggest that the growing achievement gap can be attributed to a widening gap in academic effort rather than to differences in cognitive ability."

Asian-Americans tend to be motivated by cultural teachings that instill the notion that effort is more important than inborn ability, researchers said.

They also endure "greater parental pressures to succeed than in the case of comparable white peers."

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Here is the sentence that surprised me:

"They also have more conflict with both parents than comparable white peers," it said."

Really? I have never heard that before.

1 posted on 05/06/2014 8:56:56 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

Yeah because parents would kill the kids in Asian American culture LOL!


2 posted on 05/06/2014 8:59:24 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: equalator

That’s because their parents don’t try to be their buddies.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 8:59:35 AM PDT by steve8714 (Michael Jordan has never uttered a pejorative about white people? Ever?)
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To: equalator

They don’t try harder because they have a try harder gene.
They try harder because their parents push them.
Being pushed causes conflict as well as increased performance.

In other news, water has been discovered to be wet.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 9:00:55 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: steve8714

Yeah, that must be it. The worthless hippy generation and their worthless legacy. It’s going to be a real shame when the last hippy dies off. I am rolling my eyes, by the way.


5 posted on 05/06/2014 9:02:12 AM PDT by equalator
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To: equalator

“They also endure “greater parental pressures to succeed than in the case of comparable white peers.””

Greater parental pressure. That’s a nice way to put it.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 9:02:48 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: equalator

I dare anyone to apply the same logic to African Americans.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 9:04:54 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Mohammed was a Child Rapist and Islam is a Totalitarian Death Cult.)
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To: ifinnegan

You mean no trophies for showing up?


8 posted on 05/06/2014 9:05:06 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: equalator
"Overall, these results suggest that the growing achievement gap can be attributed to a widening gap in academic effort rather than to differences in cognitive ability."

No kidding. Asian students outperform ALL other students (not just white students)for the same exact reason, but by specifying "white" students when drawing the comparison, the focus would rightfully remain on the factual observation, analysis, and conclusion as opposed to being on the mention of 'race', thereby diverting the focus of the article and generating the faux outrage that is usually associated with such factual comparisons.

You want to increase academic performance for all students; emulate the Asian students. Throwing more tax dollars at the problem will do nothing.

9 posted on 05/06/2014 9:08:18 AM PDT by American Infidel (Instead of vilifying success, try to emulate it)
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To: equalator
Asian-Americans tend to be motivated by cultural teachings...

Yeah, but why does their culture teach that? Why do their parents push? Maybe because they're smarter in the first place? People act as though cultures are random, like the Culture Fairy took a magic wand and bestowed cultures on groups of people, and some got good cultures and others bad.

10 posted on 05/06/2014 9:08:23 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: equalator

The left must hate Asians. They go absolutely against all the memes they use to try and control people.


11 posted on 05/06/2014 9:11:32 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: steve8714
Exactly correct. My kids were raised in Japan and one of them is married to a Japanese. Parents understand their role much better because they haven't been so affected with Dr. Spock, PC garbage.

Not all of them, of course. But more than here.

12 posted on 05/06/2014 9:13:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Resolute Conservative

No. I mean greater parental pressure is a good euphemism for physical and psychological abuse.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 9:13:17 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: equalator

Okay, so just because their advantage grows over time, why do we know that that is due simply to greater study? Asians mature more slowly than other races in other areas, so it would make sense to me that the same would pertain in intellectual power.


14 posted on 05/06/2014 9:14:04 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: equalator

This is racist! /s


15 posted on 05/06/2014 9:14:13 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: steve8714

That would get my vote too.

You’re doing your homework! Get to it! NOW!


16 posted on 05/06/2014 9:15:28 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: equalator

Here’s more on different races gaining in intellect at different rates. (E.g., black babies mature more quickly than white babies, who mature more quickly than Asian babies.)

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/a_possible_explanation_for_the_flynn_effect


17 posted on 05/06/2014 9:16:30 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: equalator

White children are often under the influence of drugs to calm them down, which of course, makes it very difficult for them to learn properly.


18 posted on 05/06/2014 9:16:31 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Nea Wood
Exactly my point. If it was just a matter of parents pushing their kids harder, then you would find instances in certain areas or some years of non-Asian kids outperforming Asian children. It never happens...Asian kids always outperform non-Asian kids. Smarter parents will demand more of their kids.

Of course, we could do a simple experiment of taking Asian kids away from their parents and swapping them with non-Asian children. The Asian kids would be raised by non-Asian parents and vice versa.

It will never happen, but I don't think the results would be to their, libs, liking. Just like they don't like the book by Nicholas Wade, science writer for the N.Y Times, called "A Troublesome Inheritance" where he pretty much proves inherited intelligence.

19 posted on 05/06/2014 9:18:17 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: equalator

And whites outperform blacks why?


20 posted on 05/06/2014 9:20:45 AM PDT by magellan
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To: equalator

Asian kids don’t have a ‘built-in’ defeatist attitude. They know what is expected of them and they wish to please their parents.

They also have parents....................


21 posted on 05/06/2014 9:20:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: Nea Wood

The parents push harder because they know what it is like to be hungry, with not enough (or no) food to eat.

More people should go to bed hungry in this country. Hunger focuses the mind wonderfully well.


22 posted on 05/06/2014 9:21:14 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Vigilanteman

You got that right my aunt up in Alaska teach at Fairbank school mostly Chinese and Japanese American students they follow her class each day they really want see what teaching this going be today

This is high school


23 posted on 05/06/2014 9:21:28 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: DouglasKC

Yes, the Left hates us for exactly those reasons. We don’t fit their template. We refuse to be poor and downtrodden. we want our children to be engineers and doctors not rappers and drug dealers..............


24 posted on 05/06/2014 9:22:34 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: equalator

Their IQ is also about 5 points higher than whites.

And white IQ is 20 points higher than blacks

And Jewish IQ is 20 points higher than whites

Combine IQ with effort = better students

Combine lower IQ with no effort = sons of Obama


25 posted on 05/06/2014 9:23:33 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: equalator

This is so raciss. Who will demand that Asians “check their privilege”, and perform more in line with other minorities?


26 posted on 05/06/2014 9:27:25 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: equalator

See this is the deal. If you want sucess, get of you ass and try harder. ..

Problem being the left has promoted keeping us in diffrent groups and given each group a diffrence excuses not to get of their ass.

Because its logical to apply the reason Asians outperform to not just whites but ALL groups

But if you did apply this reason ANY group beside whites it would be decried as racist.

No pain no gain, excuses for failure cripple people.


27 posted on 05/06/2014 9:28:52 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: 9YearLurker

My daughter signed up for math club in middle school, (her choice, she likes math, go figure). When I go to pick her up, it looks like I accidentally walked into a meeting of the Asian-American Students Association.


28 posted on 05/06/2014 9:37:13 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: equalator
Asians outperform white students because they try harder.
29 posted on 05/06/2014 9:41:47 AM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: equalator

Can’t be - the common core advocates say Asian’s only score better because of the curriculum and that common core is going to bring Washington, DC school students up to par with Asian students.


30 posted on 05/06/2014 9:44:46 AM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: sportutegrl

Intelligence is also a predictor of interest math and the logical.


31 posted on 05/06/2014 9:46:48 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: equalator

That’s because “conflict” in lib speak is discipline in ours.


32 posted on 05/06/2014 9:52:44 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: equalator

When I was in grad school, I had a chinese office mate who was constantly asking for my help with his computer programming assignments, and I’m white.


33 posted on 05/06/2014 9:54:38 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: ifinnegan

It can also mean a more structured and disciplined upbringing, in a positive way, and not the “abuse” you so quickly created and embraced.


34 posted on 05/06/2014 9:55:58 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: SgtHooper

What do you know about it?


35 posted on 05/06/2014 10:26:54 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: All
I am Asian, and was raised in an Asian family. These values are ingrained in us at a young age: respect for elders, and that education and hard work are highly highly valued. As my grandmother would say "You must study hard, all the time, no exceptions."

When you've heard that from your Kindergarten days, what does one expect?

With the exception of the early ancestors in our home country, college attendance for the last four generations is/was 100%. Of those, folks in my family with post-graduate degrees probably stands at about 90%. My grandmother is one of fifteen kids, so that is a lot of educated people.

36 posted on 05/06/2014 10:32:58 AM PDT by erikm88
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To: magellan
And whites outperform blacks why?

Cuz you're racist, so shut up.

37 posted on 05/06/2014 10:35:02 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: crusadersoldier

Common Core = slapping leg irons on academically successful people.


38 posted on 05/06/2014 10:35:48 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Combine lower IQ with no effort = sons of Obama

Reminds me of this joke posted elsewhere…

Guy goes into a bar, there’s a robot bartender. The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini.” The robot brings back the best martini ever and says to the man, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says,”168”. The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology.

The guy leaves, but he is curious, so he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini”. Again, the robot makes a great martini, gives it to the man and says, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says, “100.” The robot then starts to talk about Nascar, Budweiser and John Deere tractors.

The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time. He goes back into the bar. The robot says, “What will you have?” The guy says, “Martini”, and the robot brings him another great martini. The robot then says, “What’s your IQ?” The guy says, “Uh, about 50.” The robot leans in real close and says, “So, you people still happy you voted for Obama?”

39 posted on 05/06/2014 10:38:38 AM PDT by roadcat
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To: SevenofNine

Don’t Japanese teens have one of the highest rates of suicide in the world because a lot of them can never live up to the expectations of their families?


40 posted on 05/06/2014 10:40:44 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: DouglasKC

The left hates success and successful entrepreneurship, and individualism.

They hate whites for the same reasons. Leftism is a religion of self-loathing and perpetual victim-hood. Misery loves company, it’s who they are.


41 posted on 05/06/2014 10:43:55 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: ifinnegan
No. I mean greater parental pressure is a good euphemism for physical and psychological abuse. Is it abuse to walk up to the TV, turn it off and hand a book to the child? That was something my non-Asian parents did often.

You can provide leadership without abuse and you can abuse without leading. That applies to both children and adults. Too many people confuse the two as either a reason to avoid leading or an excuse to abuse.

42 posted on 05/06/2014 10:49:30 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: ifinnegan
I mean greater parental pressure is a good euphemism for physical and psychological abuse.

Abuse is violation of the roles that the parents and children play in the society. Parents are expected to facilitate learning in their children. Methods vary across cultures.

The catch is that children are not as sophisticated as adults; you cannot guarantee that a mere talk will convince a bad student to become a good one. This is why many societies approve physical punishments of children - it's something that children understand well. Even a smart kid, who heard the talk and logically understands that his parents are right, may be unable to restrain himself in some situations. Fear of punishment is a backup control mechanism. Children still learn from their own mistakes; however guidance from parents helps them to survive until adulthood. Too many Sons of Obama manage to stop a bullet with their bodies before they figure out that gangs and crime are not such a good idea.

43 posted on 05/06/2014 10:55:43 AM PDT by Greysard
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To: Greysard; KarlInOhio

My comment was largely facetious and meant to be humorous.

Yet, there is truth in it.

The psychological abuse is the greater issue.

It’s somewhat complicated in that instilled discipline is a good thing.

We used to have that in the US. Because we’ve lost our way, we look with a loss of objectivity to Oriental culture because it has a semblance of what we used to have.

But there is a difference between a work ethic and filial piety.

As an American, old time from pre-Revolution immigrants and Cherokee from way back, I know a lot about East Asian culture due to my marriage and extended family and friends.

There’s good and bad in this “trying harder”.


44 posted on 05/06/2014 11:10:15 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Sadly to report YES


45 posted on 05/06/2014 11:10:28 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: txrefugee

Exactly!

If we removed Ritalin and various other medications from kids who are just high spirited (and their mentally fragile parents can’t handle it) we would have a lot more success.


46 posted on 05/06/2014 11:56:38 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I’ve never seen even the Ashkenazi Jewish population averaging 20 points higher than whites.


47 posted on 05/06/2014 12:17:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: equalator

48 posted on 05/06/2014 12:33:46 PM PDT by Defiant (Let the Tea Party win, and we will declare peace on the American people and go home.)
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To: equalator

This study shows nothing new. 20 years ago, when I was taking Education classes, several studies showed that grades were inversely proportional to time spent watching TV: the more time watching TV, the lower the grades. And Asian-American kids watched the least TV, about 1/10th as much as other kids. Moreover, when I was studying Psychology, at least one study showed that the more time spent doing homework, the higher the grades earned. Again, Asian-American students spent more time on homework, 2 or 3 times as much.


49 posted on 05/06/2014 12:38:50 PM PDT by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: SgtHooper

Asian kids get beat pretty good. Scarring included.


50 posted on 05/06/2014 12:41:57 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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