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Billionaires try to convince Americans itís good to import foreign workers, increase immigration
Bangaor Daily News ^ | May 05, 2014 | Jonette Christian

Posted on 05/06/2014 12:47:27 PM PDT by amnestynone

Billionaires buy whatever they want. And not just mansions and Teslas but elections and legislation. The recent Supreme Court decision lifting caps on campaign contributions gives them even more power. The libertarian Koch brothers have already pumped millions into this year’s elections. But Michael Bloomberg, Mark Zuckerberg, Rupert Murdoch and George Soros are no less guilty of buying our political system, and all of them, from libertarian Koch brothers to liberal Soros, are united in one cause: Bring in more foreign workers, increase job competition, and allow “market forces” to drive down wages.

Since 2007, political lobbies spent a whopping $1.5 billion to expand immigration, according to the watchdog Sunlight Foundation. A mind boggling array of Washington power brokers are behind that money: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, AFL-CIO, American Immigration Lawyers, National Association of Manufacturers, National Restaurant Association and others. A few years ago, former Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, sent me a 12-page list of Washington lobbies working for expanded immigration. Talk about David and Goliath.

But how do you convince Americans that it’s good for us to import millions of new foreign workers? Create a media blitz based on slogans, misinformation, political theater and guilt:

1. Whine about dire labor shortages.

It’s bogus. Thirteen percent of workers are unemployed or involuntarily working part-time. Each year, America produces twice as many science and engineering graduates as jobs, resulting in unemployment rates as high as 11 percent for information system workers. How will adding millions of new workers help them?

2. Feed the press false reports on deportations.

When “comprehensive immigration reform” was introduced last year, our press was filled with stories about tough enforcement and “record deportations.” We know it’s bunk. Deportations from internal enforcement dropped 40 percent under the present administration.

3. Play the race card.

Claim opponents are xenophobes, afraid of “them.” Ignore the fact that multiple government commissions recommended decreased immigration levels, and that after workplace raids, African-Americans often got the jobs previously held by illegal workers.

4. Pull out the violins.

More stories about “divided families.” Illegal immigrants chose to divide their own families when they came here. We don’t separate families.

5. Create multiple political front organizations, such as Bloomberg’s Partnership for the New American Economy, whose membership includes the CEOs of nearly every major corporation.

This well-funded megaphone parrots the mantra that immigration will “make the economy grow.” It’s technically accurate but disguises the real issue: Will immigration increase per-capita


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; anticitizenagenda; bush; immigration; nojobs; wages
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These people just aren't paying enough taxes! Obviously they need to pay more.
1 posted on 05/06/2014 12:47:27 PM PDT by amnestynone
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To: amnestynone
These people just aren't paying enough taxes! Obviously they need to pay more.

But we don't have a national asset or property tax. We have an income tax.

In other words, people that actually work for a living will pay.

2 posted on 05/06/2014 12:51:54 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: amnestynone

Billionaires buy *whatever* they want.
corrected: whomever.
McLame and the rest of the Gang. Graham. Boehner.
Every greedy GOP-e pieceOS and all the Democrats.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 12:55:56 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: freerepublicchat
“In other words, people that actually work for a living will pay.”

No because 99.9% would not be paying the taxes that they need to pay. Very few people who work would be paying them. These very wealthy billionaires want socialism than they should pay the socialist taxes that they are causing either by design, stupidity or greed.

4 posted on 05/06/2014 12:59:49 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: amnestynone

So a newspaper from liberal Maine gets it but GOP elite doesn’t.
I’m beginning to think all this talk about immigration reform is all about keeping John McCain’s job.


5 posted on 05/06/2014 1:02:55 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: amnestynone

How do we fight this Goliath?


6 posted on 05/06/2014 1:07:10 PM PDT by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: amnestynone

~~~allow “market forces” to drive down wages~~~

Folks may not want to hear it but that’s what illegal immigration does. So they go after amnesty.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 1:12:58 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: amnestynone

~~~Bring in more foreign workers~~~

That also includs Obama, Pelosi, Reid ... plus several on the GOPe side of the aisle.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 1:13:52 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle

~~~So they go after amnesty.~~~

To make it legal; they push amnesty for this reason for sure.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 1:14:41 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: amnestynone

Billionaire’s don’t bother me. Liberals are the problem. Liberal billionaires are a big problem.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 1:15:27 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: amnestynone
Very few people who work would be paying them. These very wealthy billionaires want socialism than they should pay the socialist taxes that they are causing either by design, stupidity or greed.

I agree that they ought to but the federal government has no power to tax wealth. They instead have the power the tax income.

Rich Democrats count on the public not knowing the difference. It allows them to call for increased taxes on the rich while avoiding real tax increases on themselves.

Kerry and Buffet are good examples. How much would an increase in income taxes really hurt them? Not much.

11 posted on 05/06/2014 1:19:39 PM PDT by freerepublicchat
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To: F15Eagle
Folks may not want to hear it but that’s what illegal immigration does. So they go after amnesty.

Legal immigration drives down wages far more than illegal immigration. We have brought in 29 million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS since 1990.

12 posted on 05/06/2014 1:20:16 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

I don’t necessarily disagree. I know of at least one business destroyed by illegal immigration. Then the guy did it again. He went to prison on wire fraud (local news from several years ago). But totally-destroyed a legal business.

And works in concert with offshoring jobs.

I daresay we will not see times like 15-20 years ago again.

I’m sorry to say.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 1:22:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: freerepublicchat
“How much would an increase in income taxes really hurt them? Not much.”

Bingo. If they pass this amnesty than they should pay all of our taxes and their own as well. screw them for doing this.

14 posted on 05/06/2014 1:22:49 PM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: amnestynone

we do need some immigration reforms

some that do have some support in Congress

and some that should not be supported in Congress but are supported by too many in Congress

the monster omnibus all encompassing “immigration reform” bills ARE attempts to make sure the worst changes, the most damaging changes get included

and when that meets resistance the claim is made that NOT getting any “immigration reform” bill is going to make the situation worse, when in fact, just as with the last “immigration reform” bill, many of the “reforms” WILL make things worse, not better


15 posted on 05/06/2014 1:28:51 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: freerepublicchat
But we don't have a national asset or property tax. We have an income tax. In other words, people that actually work for a living will pay.

And that explains the paradox of why the wealthy supported the income tax amendment - and why Buffett "demands" that his income tax rate be raised.

Wealth is built by income. Taxing income virtually eliminates their competition by keeping the working classes working. The closer you get to them, the harder you have to work for each step of progress.
16 posted on 05/06/2014 1:30:22 PM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: amnestynone

Freeze all immigration till the economy absorbs what we have and deport all the illegal criminals…only exceptions the super smart …better to work here than in China..or India…


17 posted on 05/06/2014 1:30:29 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: joshua c

“How do we fight this Goliath?”

That’s the million dollar question. Once Americans stopped breeding peasants for the ruling class, they decided they’d simply import them. The charade became obvious when the same proponents kept pushing it despite (real) unemployment near 20%. The feudal lords need more peasants for their national manor, to feed them and buy at the company store...


18 posted on 05/06/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: F15Eagle
Illegal immigration is a distraction from what is really going on. We have just had the two highest decades in legal immigration in US history. Legal immigrants vote Democrat by more than two to one. In 1970 one in 21 in this country was foreign born; today it is one in 8 the highest it has been in 90 years; and within a decade it will be one in 7, the highest in our history.

87% of the 1.1 million legal immigrants who enter annually are minorities as defined by the USG. By 2019 have of the children 18 and under will be minorities and by 2043 we will become a majority minority country.


19 posted on 05/06/2014 1:35:36 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

half vice have


20 posted on 05/06/2014 1:36:47 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Legal immigration drives down wages far more than illegal immigration.”

They both drive down wages, usually for two different groups of workers. I’ve met accountants imported from Asia and Canada, working in fields with no discernible shortage of qualified US workers. They weren’t even paid a whole lot less, but their conditions were different (working weekends and such at the behest of their sponsors). Over the past few decades American workers in general have watched their hard-fought gains in the workplace steadily eroded; it is getting more attention now because a lot more white-collar workers are impacted. 90%+ of workers are heading back to 60 hours of work per week for bare sustenance.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 1:48:36 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: amnestynone

ECONOMIC TREASON!!!!


22 posted on 05/06/2014 1:57:51 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: F15Eagle
I daresay we will not see times like 15-20 years ago again. I’m sorry to say.

Hard to argue that a social contract or compact exists, when one side keeps changing it to beggar the other side, deliberately impoverishing once-self-sustaining families.

This theme could bring out the guillotines and international assassins.

"Run. Hide. Die anyway."

23 posted on 05/06/2014 2:05:00 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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bkmk


24 posted on 05/06/2014 3:28:10 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: amnestynone

EUSSR/NAFTA hoax... blame the borders on the home country, and then the super state blocks people from business altogether into a big super-federate nightmare.


25 posted on 05/06/2014 3:49:47 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Zathras

It’s an opinion piece, not the editorial. Hardly the newspapers ideas.


26 posted on 05/06/2014 3:59:58 PM PDT by brooklin
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To: kearnyirish2
They both drive down wages, usually for two different groups of workers.

No doubt, but legal immigrants affect both unskilled and skilled labor. 20% of legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. Most of the legal immigrants are unskilled and are not better educated than the native born. 50% of illegal aliens lack even a high school degree. But the numbers of illegals are far less than the number of legal immigrants.

And in addition to the permanent legal immigrants, we have at any one time two million guest workers in this country working on temporary work visas. The Gang of 8 bill increases legal immigration to 33 million over the next decade (about 2 1/2 times the biggest decade of legal immigration in our history, i.e., the decade ending in 2010.) And the bill would more than double the number of guest workers to 1.4 million a year.

We have 21 million Americans underemployed or unemployed. It is insane to keep bringing in 1.1 million permanent legal immigrants a year. There is no correlation between our skills needs and immigration. Moreover, we are importing poverty with immigrants, legal and illegal. using our welfare system to a much higher degree than the native born. Just maintaining the status quo on immigration will destroy this country as we know it. Amnesty just hastens the process.

Over the past few decades American workers in general have watched their hard-fought gains in the workplace steadily eroded;

In real terms, American wages have been declining since 1969. Immigration has played a major role in the decline. If there were truly a shortage of labor, wages would be going up, not down.

27 posted on 05/06/2014 4:52:29 PM PDT by kabar
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To: tumblindice

Greedy indeed... all mafia bought, sold souls.

These billionaires live in gated communities with swiss bank accounts and places like Singapore which do not let people immigrate or Abu Dabi using slaves... but, hey, we the people are racists for being willing to enrich the American language with all languages but not going with the government scheme of bilingual education which benefit the government agent in talking a language with one side while the other does not understand it, bicultural.


28 posted on 05/06/2014 6:06:20 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kabar

“It is insane to keep bringing in 1.1 million permanent legal immigrants a year.”

Immoral (and criminal, in my mind), but not insane; they are trying to compete in a global economy with two Asian powers with over a billion people each. It didn’t help that Americans stopped breeding; those missing voters would have been key in preventing the sale of our country. We are dealing with two countries that top us in workers/consumers (by three times over), as well as every other country in the world.


29 posted on 05/07/2014 3:53:16 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
they are trying to compete in a global economy with two Asian powers with over a billion people each.

We are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of labor costs. Our advantages lie elsewhere.

It didn’t help that Americans stopped breeding; those missing voters would have been key in preventing the sale of our country.

The Democrats are mainly the ones who use abortion. They are using immigrants who vote more than two to one for the Dems to replace their electorate. Every year we bring in hundreds of thousands of future Dem voters.

We are dealing with two countries that top us in workers/consumers (by three times over), as well as every other country in the world.

Those two countries as still Third World countries with many, many problems. And they have still not be able to rely on domestic consumption to fuel their economies. They depend on the Developed world to purchase their products, which are actually from Western and Japanese industries.

30 posted on 05/07/2014 5:46:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: joshua c

>>How do we fight this Goliath?<<

We can’t. Politicians grease their pockets with campaign donations in return for legislation and regulation making it easier for corporations and wall street to carry on with this sort of crony capitalism.

It’s insane what these oligarchs have done to the most prosperous nation on the planet.

They’d sell their momma for a buck.


31 posted on 05/07/2014 6:07:18 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 1010RD

Some billionaires want open borders and amnesty for illegals because they are liberal multiculturalists. On the other hand, there are others who want the same thing for reasons that have nothing to do with leftwing ideology. They want cheap foreign labor because they (short-sightedly) believe that it’s good for the bottom line.


32 posted on 05/07/2014 12:00:47 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: F15Eagle
Folks may not want to hear it but that’s what illegal immigration does. So they go after amnesty.

Do you really believe that those who pay illegals sub-minimum wage under the table will suddenly stop doing so if the illegals are given citizenship?

33 posted on 05/07/2014 12:02:31 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: kearnyirish2

Most illegals are Mexican or Central American, they compete for jobs with unskilled American workers (which, incidentally, have the highest unemployment rate). Legalizing these illegal immigrants will do absolutely nothing to alleviate this, since you still have the same pool of low-wage workers competing for the same jobs.


34 posted on 05/07/2014 12:06:11 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

Oh, of course not.

What made you think I did?


35 posted on 05/07/2014 12:28:54 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: F15Eagle
Perhaps I misunderstood the point you were making. I read your post as saying that illegal immigration drives down wages and increases unemployment, but if the same people came here legally, they wouldn't be causing the same problem.

The bottom line is that most immigrants from Mexico and Central America are competing for low-skill and low-wage jobs with Americans, whether they are here legally or not. With unemployment among unskilled and semi-skilled workers at about 2x the rate of the general unemployment rate, the mantra of "they do the work Americans won't do" wears a little thin.

36 posted on 05/07/2014 12:37:28 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: amnestynone

What always confuses me is why they want illegal aliens as workers while at the same time support Dems who want to raise the minimum wage.

The only logical conclusion to me is that since they hire illegals they also ignore the minimum wage laws.

Thus the most logical way to stop this madness is to take away their business licenses and cancel their FEIN. This was standard practice in the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s until Reagan, unfortunately, got conned with amnesty in 1986.


37 posted on 05/07/2014 12:41:15 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Yeah, just saying they want to drive-down wages by any means possible.

The USA built a rather-decent standard of living. The middle class is being destroyed as we can all plainly see.

Even low-information voters should have realized they are targets of this.

But, hip-hop and Hollywood ‘stars’ and the MSM seem to fool them most of the time. Not exactly unexpected, of course.


38 posted on 05/07/2014 12:43:35 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Most of legal immigrants come under HB-1 and are very skilled.


39 posted on 05/07/2014 12:43:42 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conseravtives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: kabar

“We are never going to be able to compete with them in terms of labor costs. Our advantages lie elsewhere.”

I’m not talking about production; I’m talking about CONSUMPTION.

“The Democrats are mainly the ones who use abortion. They are using immigrants who vote more than two to one for the Dems to replace their electorate. Every year we bring in hundreds of thousands of future Dem voters.”

Abortions are a drop in the bucket compared to the missing people due to contraception. The middle class isn;t breeding anymore either (in a doomed attempt to remain in “the middle class”).

“Those two countries as still Third World countries with many, many problems.”

Obama’s re-election showed we have many Third World problems as well, including a large population of illiterate people that can’t be assimilated.


40 posted on 05/07/2014 1:59:43 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: ek_hornbeck

“Most illegals are Mexican or Central American, they compete for jobs with unskilled American workers (which, incidentally, have the highest unemployment rate).”

They’ve taken a lot of jobs from carpenters, roofers and such in may area; not exactly unskilled workers. I agree legalizing them won’t fix the unemployment (while deporting them would help); the biggest driver for amnesty is that our rulers want these people paying taxes (particularly Social Security, which you don;t get refunded each year with an earned income tax credit to boot). These invaders know the deal, and aren’t interested; any proposal that requires them paying hundreds or thousands of dollars up front isn’t being advanced seriously anyway.


41 posted on 05/07/2014 2:06:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
I’m not talking about production; I’m talking about CONSUMPTION.

Consumption? We consume far more of what they produce than what we export to them. The per capita income (nominal) of the US ranges from $50K to $53K depending on whose data you use. For China it is $6K to to $6,800. For India it is $1,500.

Abortions are a drop in the bucket compared to the missing people due to contraception. The middle class isn;t breeding anymore either (in a doomed attempt to remain in “the middle class”).

And why is that so and what do you propose we do about those people who make individual decisions about "breeding?"

FYI: We are going to add 104 million people to our population by 2060. In 1970 our population was 203 million. Today, it is 317 million. We don't have a problem with a declining population. Since 2000, we have added 36 million people, about the population of CA, our most populous state.

Obama’s re-election showed we have many Third World problems as well, including a large population of illiterate people that can’t be assimilated.

We are descending into a Third World country, primarily due to immigration.

42 posted on 05/07/2014 2:26:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“We consume far more of what they produce than what we export to them.”

How much can we sell to them when India & China combined have a population that is 10X our own? They will manufacture for Americans who want cheap goods, and their own people who now have the money to buy things.

“And why is that so and what do you propose we do about those people who make individual decisions about “breeding?”

They have to know the consequences of not breeding, which right now would best be summed up by contributing more heavily into the pot that subsidizes those foreign children filling our maternity wards and classrooms. Beyond that, nothing needs to be said.

“Since 2000, we have added 36 million people, about the population of CA, our most populous state.”

And yet more white people are now dying than being born; do we have a problem with a declining population? Why do you think we’re importing Third World populations?

“We are descending into a Third World country, primarily due to immigration.”

The illiterate people who can’t be assimilated have had roots in this country for centuries; they are being left in the dust by immigrants seeking the original “American Dream”.


43 posted on 05/07/2014 4:24:29 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2
How much can we sell to them when India & China combined have a population that is 10X our own? They will manufacture for Americans who want cheap goods, and their own people who now have the money to buy things.

That is not the case now. China is very dependent upon exports. The vast majority of their own people can't afford the products they are producing. I have been to China and India. Both are still developing countries.

They have to know the consequences of not breeding, which right now would best be summed up by contributing more heavily into the pot that subsidizes those foreign children filling our maternity wards and classrooms. Beyond that, nothing needs to be said.

Maybe we shouldn't be bringing in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year who use our welfare programs to a much greater degree than the native born. Why are we importing poverty?

And yet more white people are now dying than being born; do we have a problem with a declining population? Why do you think we’re importing Third World populations?

While immigrants often arrive young and have somewhat larger families than natives do, the differences are not large enough to fundamentally alter the nation’s age structure. For example, the average age of an immigrant in 2012 was 43 years, while the average age of a native was 37. Also, in 2011 the Total Fertility Rate (TFR) in the United States without immigrants would have been 1.9 children per woman. With immigrants, it was 2.0 — an increase of one-tenth of a point. Thus, our fertility would be higher than almost all developed countries (and many developing ones) even without any immigrants at all.

We are importing Third World populations because special interests benefit from their presence. Businesses want an endless supply of cheap labor to depress wages and increase their bottom line. The Democrats want more Democrat voters. The religious groups want more people in the pews. The labor unions want more members. Ethnic groups like La Raza want more political power. The American people don't want more immigration any more than they wanted Obamacare. The ruling class is destroying this country.

FYI: From the CIA World Factbook--The fertility rate in China is 1.55 children born/woman (2014 est.) In the US it is 2.01 children born/woman (2014 est.) The median age in the US is 37.6 years compared to China's 36.7 years.

The illiterate people who can’t be assimilated have had roots in this country for centuries; they are being left in the dust by immigrants seeking the original “American Dream”.

What illiterate people are you referring to? If you think that bringing in huge numbers of uneducated, unskilled immigrants leaves the native born in the dust, you are factually wrong. Immigrants, legal and illegal, are sucking the country dry. Milton Friedman said. "You can't have free immigration simultaneously with the welfare state." We have both.


44 posted on 05/07/2014 5:24:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Re: “Immigrant College Grads”

Advocates for mass immigration frequently point out that 36% of Legal Immigrants have a “college education.”

In contrast, just 31% of native born Americans have a 4 year degree.

That comparison is utterly bogus!

Most immigrants went to unaccredited Third World universities.

From there, most graduates went straight into a Third World government job.

Very few American employers will accept their Third World education and work credentials.


45 posted on 05/07/2014 10:11:10 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen
Advocates for mass immigration frequently point out that 36% of Legal Immigrants have a “college education.”

They don't point out that 20% of legal immigrants lack even a high school degree. We are importing hundreds of thousands of high school dropouts every year. We are importing poverty.

46 posted on 05/08/2014 7:54:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Fledermaus
Most of legal immigrants come under HB-1 and are very skilled.

The point I was making is that Democrat and establishment Republican think that the way to solve the problem of illegal immigration is to legalize the illegals (through open borders policy for future immigrants, amnesty for existing ones). The net economic consequences of legalizing these people will be the same as when they were illegal, in fact it will exacerbate the problem by making it easier for them to access social services.

47 posted on 05/08/2014 8:45:56 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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We are descending into a Third World country, primarily due to immigration.

...with the blessings of the "leadership" of both political parties.

48 posted on 05/08/2014 8:47:58 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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he biggest driver for amnesty is that our rulers want these people paying taxes (particularly Social Security, which you don;t get refunded each year with an earned income tax credit to boot).

It has more to do with pandering for votes than with any economic concerns. What they would pay in Payroll taxes they'd get back several times over in earned income credits and a whole host of social welfare programs.

Moreover, if you have an employer who hires illegals and pays them sub-minimum wage (i.e. no payroll tax) under the table now, that same employer won't change his practices just because the Federal Government made the same workers citizens by decree.

49 posted on 05/08/2014 8:49:59 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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Re: “We are importing poverty.”

And, perpetuating it.

I looked at some Census statistics from the Center for Immigration Studies just yesterday.

From memory - around 35% of immigrant mothers who give birth in the USA lack a high school education.

That’s great news for the Democrat Party.

Not so great for the rest of America.


50 posted on 05/08/2014 10:18:38 AM PDT by zeestephen
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