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The 'Russian Cross' Is Continuing To Reverse
Forbes ^ | 4/30/2014 | Mark Adamonis

Posted on 05/06/2014 7:01:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Russian demography isn’t exactly known for being a meme generator, but one short-hand term for the country’s demographic problems has caught on in a serious way: “the Russian cross.”

This name doesn’t have anything to do with religiosity or with Orthodox Christianity’s famously unique way of rendering the crucifix, but with Russia’s sudden plunge into catastrophic population decline during the 1990′s. When you graphed the absolute number of births and deaths, they changed course so radically that they bore a striking resemblance to a cross.

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1 posted on 05/06/2014 7:01:08 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Until Russians repent of their atheism and learn to love life, they will continue to decline.


2 posted on 05/06/2014 7:08:04 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Bump


3 posted on 05/06/2014 7:09:42 PM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Jonty30
Putin is a thug and Russia has a lot of problems. But it could be logically argued that Putin is less of a thug than ObaMao and Russia's regime is less anti-Christian than ObaMao's. So this demographic reversal could be indicative that they are at least taking a small step in the right direction.

Religious people view children as a gift from God to help secure the future. The godless liberal views them as an inconvenience, at best, or even a liability which put additional demands on their zero sum view of the world.

4 posted on 05/06/2014 7:16:40 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Putin’s fault.


5 posted on 05/06/2014 7:24:21 PM PDT by BBell (The Blue Dog is Stupid)
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To: Jonty30
Until Russians repent of their atheism and learn to love life, they will continue to decline.

I think you're a bit behind the times. You seem not to have noticed that the Cathedral of Christ the Savior once again stands in Moscow, Russian monasteries are full, the churches no longer the province of old baboushkas but well-attended by young and old, peasant and oligarch alike, Russian schools include religious education, the Russian army has Christian chaplains once again, and for the past two years, the Orthodox Church has influenced legislation in the Duma one matters of morality, and the demographic decline has reversed.

6 posted on 05/06/2014 7:28:30 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s happening to America as well.

America needs to bring back businesses back to America, and start growing once again.

Now.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 7:29:08 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: The_Reader_David
Move the phrase "for the past two year" after the word "and" and before the word "the" in my last post.

(I'm a terrible proof-reader under the best of circumstances, and the martini I'm drinking isn't helping.)

8 posted on 05/06/2014 7:30:31 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

The next occurence of “and” and “the”, not the one they were between in the original post.


9 posted on 05/06/2014 7:31:33 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

For every article you post something about businesses or jobs coming back to America. America doesn’t have a jobs problem, it has a moral problem. IMHO.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 7:35:20 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: stevio

Well currently we are exporting American jobs very rapidly.

We have been exporting American jobs now for an entire generation.

America needs jobs. Sure I’m repeating myself, but nobody is looking out for America’s future.

Nobody.

Not the GOP. Not democrats. Maybe the Tea Party but I haven’t heard them yet.

America needs to stop selling out.

Keep jobs here.


11 posted on 05/06/2014 7:41:54 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: The_Reader_David

That may be so, but that doesn’t mean their hearts are yet won.

A one or two year reversal does not mean that it is permanent. I’d like it to be, however.


12 posted on 05/06/2014 7:45:40 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Vigilanteman

Putin is a true thug, and no one knows when he will not be Russia’s leader.


13 posted on 05/06/2014 7:46:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: MinorityRepublican
It is understandable why the number of births might have declined as shown on the graph.

But why would the absolute number of deaths suddenly skyrocket at the same time?

It looks like deaths increased from around 1.7 million to 2.3 million in about 4 years.

That's a 35% increase.

That just does not ring true.


14 posted on 05/06/2014 7:55:21 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Jonty30

Your words can be applied to Americans far more readily than to Russians.


15 posted on 05/06/2014 7:56:01 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: ansel12

How is he more of a thug than ObaMao and our mob parasite class who voted him in? Wasn’t Putin elected as well?


16 posted on 05/06/2014 7:57:37 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Romulus

I don’t question that for a bit. This principle can be applied basically worldwide. It’s not an indication that I’m thinking badly of the Russians.


17 posted on 05/06/2014 7:59:04 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Vigilanteman

We seriously have to get into this KGB man and his take over since his Communist regime collapsed and the KGB takeover of much of the almost state church of Putin’s, and his oppression, and his amassing of 40 to 70 billion dollars somehow, his terrifying of his neighbors while building an empire?

Obama is what he is, but he took office in 2009, and will be leaving office in 2017.

This worship of Russia’s strong man, against us, is sick.


18 posted on 05/06/2014 8:10:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Don't accuse me of worshiping Putin. He's an evil thug. But I have a tough time saying he is so much worse than ObaMao. ObaMao's regime looted our economy of far more than 70 billion. Just because he divided it up with more cronies, does that somehow make him superior to Putin?

ObaMao may leave office in 2017, but his thug policies of his thug regime will be with us for many years after. Perhaps as long or longer than Putin's.

19 posted on 05/06/2014 8:17:59 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Matt Drudge is referring to Putin as the leader of the free world

Pat Buchanan believes (as I do) that God is on Putin's side:
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2014/04/04/whose-side-is-god-on-now-n1818499/page/full

Background:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134772/posts

US Govt Russophobia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPv106Oie8Y

The false flag sniper op at Maidan:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/everyone-agrees-ukraine-sniper-attacks-false-flag-argue-culprit.html

Putin's Perspective
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130725/182424969/Christianity-Made-Russia-Great-World-Power—Putin.html

Arrest warrant for George Soros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO3PArAoUQ

Faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk

200 New Christian churches being built in an daround Moscow:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Foundations-laid-for-first-of-200-new-Orthodox-churches-in-Moscow-21434.html

The Cathedral of Christ The Savior:
http://www.123rf.com/photo_7308397_the-restored-cathedral-of-christ-the-savior-in-moscow-at-night.html

calls for world leaders to stop the slaughter/persecution of Christians :
http://answersforthefaith.com/2013/08/08/putin-world-leaders-should-unite-to-end-christian-persecution/

The United States is still demographically a Christian nation but you'd never know it from observing our government. All you ever read about our government doing these days is supporting regimes which persecute Christians and Christianity, and then you ask whose side you think God might be on? You think God could ever be on the side of George Soros, Monsanto, and the Obunga state department?? For that matter do you think God would be on the side of "conservatives" who weren't bright enough to see through demoKKKrat/NWO/Soros/US_StateDept propaganda and BS??

All of that is aside from the fact that Putin almost singlehandedly stopped the idiot greentards and Malthusians from shutting down all of the world's economies in 04 with the Russian hacker attack on the East Anglia CU email database which gave rise to "Climategate" (www.climategate.com). Other than for that, all of the idiots comparing Putin with Hitler would likely be rubbing sticks together to make fire. The rulers of Russia have taken a hard look at the ongoing suicide of the West and determined that Russia is not going to participate. This may in fact be the biggest factor in the tidal wave of propaganda and disinformation which the West is subjected to regarding Russia and Vladimir Putin, and in the policies of our state department. The bankers who run the West hope to prevent the calamity which they are facing by bail-ins and austerity programs and that, combined with the Malthusian and greentard policies of our governments figure to produce a world of major grief for the West over the coming decades. Those people can ill afford the alternative example of a prosperous and happy version of reality in the BRIC nations for everybody on the planet to see on television and the internet.

20 posted on 05/06/2014 8:36:57 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: Vigilanteman

Vladimir Putin is not a thug and anybody calling him that is basically lazy i.e. has not made the effort to keep up or find real sources of information.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 8:38:12 PM PDT by varmintman
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To: ansel12

KGB....Communist....thug.

Sic’em boy!


22 posted on 05/06/2014 8:59:08 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Vigilanteman

You are terribly confused to be playing this insane game of equating the United States with Russia and placing Russia above us.

Even of preferring a Putin over this current democrat president, who will be out of office when the time comes, when did Putin’s time of running Russia begin, and when will it end, and how?

We have no idea do we, but it will still be a Russia that we will not want to immigrate to with our families.


23 posted on 05/06/2014 9:09:00 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12
Even of preferring a Putin over this current democrat president, who will be out of office when the time comes

And replaced with Hillary.

24 posted on 05/06/2014 9:11:13 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Vigilanteman

Putin is,was,and always will be KGB. Whatever else O is, he is not that


25 posted on 05/06/2014 9:18:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: The_Reader_David

Sure thing just like Hitler’s Lutherans


26 posted on 05/06/2014 9:19:16 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Iron Munro

We’re losing the Death Panel Race!


27 posted on 05/06/2014 11:14:22 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: ansel12; varmintman

Putin, at minimum, has the sense to realize that Christianity is not the enemy. I cannot say the same for Obama or his probable successor Hillary.


28 posted on 05/07/2014 6:00:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: AZLiberty
We’re losing the Death Panel Race!


29 posted on 05/07/2014 6:21:19 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
It seems like we can't get enough foreigners to do the jobs. Maybe real Americans have to learn they are not above menial jobs.

I don't know were you are spiritually, but America will reap the evil it has been sowing for many years. Unless we repent.

30 posted on 05/07/2014 7:17:16 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Without Putin having shut down the Gaea worshipers in 2004, we would all be rubbing sticks together to make fire.


31 posted on 05/07/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Nifster

Not at all. Hitler’s rise to power was not accompanied by a revival of genuinely traditional Lutheran piety, while the entire period from the fall of the Soviet Union to the present under both Yeltsin and Putin has seen a serious revival in Orthodox piety. Hitler diluted Lutheran Christianity with racist rubbish called “Aryan Christianity”. Putin’s Duma passes laws based on traditional Orthodox moral teachings. Hitler scorned Christian clergy. Putin consults them regularly, including making pilgrimages to monasteries.

You may fancy that being a fairly ruthless or expansionist ruler is somehow at odds with being a Christian, but we Orthodox don’t see it that way. At every Divine Liturgy we sing a hymn the words of which are a prayer composed by St. Justinian the Emperor. You might look at his career. Is Putin a sinner? No man liveth and sinneth not, as the Scriptures tell us. But the only way you can rationally doubt the reality of the Christian revival in Russia is to hold the view that Orthodox Christianity is not “real” Christianity. But, sorry, we’ve got prior claim and an arguably better claim to being the real thing than the Latins, and certainly much better than the confessions from Lutheranism onward that constructed themselves in opposition to the Latin church by fancying that the Scriptures (as shortened by Luther) are a sort of axiom system from which everything pertaining to salvation in Christ can be derived by discursive reason.


32 posted on 05/07/2014 8:24:54 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

Hitler and his thugs filled the seminaries and churches before he was ‘in total control’ Apparently you forget Bonhoffer and those like him that tried to save Germany.

One of these days as Gog and Magog scream down on Israel and Putin in his communist glory is laughing in your face....perhaps then you will realize what has happened


33 posted on 05/07/2014 10:04:02 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Vigilanteman

Putin is even worse and more oppressive against Christians, and he won’t be gone in 30 odd months.

Putin and the KGB are turning a single denomination into a sort of corrupt state church to corrupt Christianity and use it as a tool of his personal control, something that is working brilliantly on you and others.


34 posted on 05/07/2014 10:17:40 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: ansel12; GregoTX
Why not take your post to this thread and argue with a real idiot? Post #22 pretty much expresses my sentiments.

FWIW, while the Russian Orthodox Church pretty much enjoys state church status under Putin, there are scores of other religions with congregations free to proselytize, unlike the Old Soviet Union.

Meanwhile, leftism enjoys state church status under ObaMao and other religions are free only to either go along with it or not proselytize too loudly lest they invite an IRS crackdown.

35 posted on 05/07/2014 10:38:17 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

You guys are just bizarre.

America is not more evil and less free than Russia.


36 posted on 05/07/2014 11:22:27 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: Nifster

So I suppose you see “Pussy Riot” as Russia’s Bonhoffer?

You do realize that Gog and Magog plainly refers to Anatolia (now Turkey), not Russia, don’t you?


37 posted on 05/07/2014 1:28:57 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David

Gog and Magog have note than one meaning. As a person who heads Mesech and Tubal...over time some think it refers to those who live north of the Black Sea. Others might attribute a more symbolic meaning.

Your question is not only ridiculous it is offensive.

Simply, are you a practicing Russian Orthodox?


38 posted on 05/07/2014 3:59:19 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Antiochian Orthodox, but the distinctions between patriarchates and local national churches are of no consequence, the Faith is the same.


39 posted on 05/07/2014 7:19:27 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: The_Reader_David
In order to believe that Vladimir Putin is anything other than the heroic figure he appears to be, you need to believe that Bork Obunga, the Rothschilde family, George Soros, Victoria Nuland, John (the gigolo) Kerry, Hillary KKKlintler, and every other one of the "neocvon(TM)" fools in our state department are all good people, which is ridiculous.

Matt Drudge is referring to Putin as the leader of the free world

Pat Buchanan believes (as I do) that God is on Putin's side:
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2014/04/04/whose-side-is-god-on-now-n1818499/page/full

Background:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3134772/posts

US Govt Russophobia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPv106Oie8Y

The false flag sniper op at Maidan:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/everyone-agrees-ukraine-sniper-attacks-false-flag-argue-culprit.html

Putin's Perspective
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20130725/182424969/Christianity-Made-Russia-Great-World-Power—Putin.html

Arrest warrant for George Soros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpO3PArAoUQ

Faith:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk

200 New Christian churches being built in an daround Moscow:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Foundations-laid-for-first-of-200-new-Orthodox-churches-in-Moscow-21434.html

The Cathedral of Christ The Savior:
http://www.123rf.com/photo_7308397_the-restored-cathedral-of-christ-the-savior-in-moscow-at-night.html

calls for world leaders to stop the slaughter/persecution of Christians :
http://answersforthefaith.com/2013/08/08/putin-world-leaders-should-unite-to-end-christian-persecution/

The United States is still demographically a Christian nation but you'd never know it from observing our government. All you ever read about our government doing these days is supporting regimes which persecute Christians and Christianity, and then you ask whose side you think God might be on? You think God could ever be on the side of George Soros, Monsanto, and the Obunga state department?? For that matter do you think God would be on the side of "conservatives" who weren't bright enough to see through demoKKKrat/NWO/Soros/US_StateDept propaganda and BS??

All of that is aside from the fact that Putin almost singlehandedly stopped the idiot greentards and Malthusians from shutting down all of the world's economies in 04 with the Russian hacker attack on the East Anglia CU email database which gave rise to "Climategate" (www.climategate.com). Other than for that, all of the idiots comparing Putin with Hitler would likely be rubbing sticks together to make fire.

The rulers of Russia have taken a hard look at the ongoing suicide of the West and determined that Russia is not going to participate. This may in fact be the biggest factor in the tidal wave of propaganda and disinformation which the West is subjected to regarding Russia and Vladimir Putin, and in the policies of our state department. The bankers who run the West hope to prevent the calamity which they are facing by bail-ins and austerity programs and that, combined with the Malthusian and greentard policies of our governments figure to produce a world of major grief for the West over the coming decades. Those people can ill afford the alternative example of a prosperous and happy version of reality in the BRIC nations for everybody on the planet to see on television and the internet.

40 posted on 05/08/2014 8:20:38 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: ansel12

People on FR are generally immune to NWO, UN, demoKKKrat, libtard, greentard, neocon BS and propaganda so long as the discussion involves territory within US borders... It’s a big ******* mystery to me why so many claiming to be conservative start wolfing that sort of kool-ade down the first minute the subject turns to Russia and Vladimir Putin.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 8:25:34 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: The_Reader_David

Боже храни Владимира Путина!


42 posted on 05/08/2014 8:28:43 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: varmintman

Huh?


43 posted on 05/08/2014 9:53:51 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: The_Reader_David

“The Russian Orthodox Church recently came under criticism for publishing a 2014 calendar in honor of Soviet mass murderer Joseph Stalin. Komov insisted the church was not directly involved in its publication.

However, scholar Keith Armes has observed that the Russian Orthodox Church “survived the collapse of the Communist system” and “is having difficulty maintaining its identity and credibility after seventy years of faithful service to the Communist Party.”

Former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky has called the church “Putin’s Espionage Church,” and devotes a major portion of his book, KGB/FSB’s New Trojan Horse, to its use by the Russian intelligence service.”

You live in the US. Your knowledge and understand of Putin and his KGB ways I think is limited. The fact that living in the US, your church has certain beliefs and rituals does not mean that it is carried out that way in the Soviet Union (formerly known as Russia).

Do not be deceived. Putin is not a Christian.....He will say and do anything to get his way


44 posted on 05/08/2014 9:56:54 AM PDT by Nifster
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