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Anti-fluoridation quacks should know there’s no debate
The Dallas Morning News ^ | 05-02-2014 | Jacquielynn Floyd

Posted on 05/06/2014 7:58:26 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

An angry reader — one of many — is impatiently waiting for me to explain myself after an earlier column in which I characterized anti-fluoride activists as delusional cranks.

“You are promoting the mass medication of your community,” she wrote. “It makes absolutely no sense to put this hazardous waste into our drinking water. Why are you pushing for this insane practice? I look forward to your response.”

I have a response, but she won’t like it: I am at an honest loss as to how to respond to crazy talk. If someone wants to believe flying saucers are beaming gamma rays into his flower beds, he is self-evidently resistant to logic. What are you supposed to say?

Anti-fluoridation quackery isn’t the comical Eisenhower-era anachronism you might suspect. It’s alive and well right here in Dallas, where activists are trying to persuade members of the Dallas City Council to end five decades of routine water fluoridation. Disturbingly, at least a few council members seem to be listening.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: drinkingwater; fluoridation; fluoride; water
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1 posted on 05/06/2014 7:58:26 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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2 posted on 05/06/2014 8:00:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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I’m not sure there’s any need with modern dental care.

I’ve never lived in town and had fluoridated water and my teeth are good.


3 posted on 05/06/2014 8:00:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

One can recognize the therapeutic value of fluoride, and still oppose government dumping it into our drinking water. That amounts to involuntary mass medication.


4 posted on 05/06/2014 8:02:16 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: PaulCruz2016

Just more “settled” science from Jacquielynn Floyd. The wonders of fluoride[/s]. An industrial waste dumped into the water supply based on questionable science resulting from topical application research. Yep. Nothing like another excitotoxin in our food chain.


5 posted on 05/06/2014 8:04:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

We use a Berkey water filter with flouride filters. If the govt is giving it to you its bad.


6 posted on 05/06/2014 8:06:00 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I realize that these idiots think we’re all a bunch of toothless hillbillies out here in the sticks but the fact that we aren’t seems to dispute the dire need.


7 posted on 05/06/2014 8:06:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Many water supplies already have fluoride in them. In some cases, fluoride has to be removed.

Fluoride makes the tooth structure strong. Modern dentistry can fix damage, but it’s better to strengthen teeth so they don’t become very damaged in the first place.


8 posted on 05/06/2014 8:08:45 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: PaulCruz2016

“Cranks” and “crazy talk” are just ways to dismiss legitimate criticism. If someone behaves in this manner, the likelihood is that they cannot justify their position, so they do not wish to enter a debate they could or would lose.

“You have to accept my axioms or you are not worthy to debate.”


9 posted on 05/06/2014 8:10:49 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I grew up on a farm with no fluoridation. I’ve had no cavities.

For the last 25 years, I have lived in cities. Due to my tea intake, my teeth show signs of over fluoridation (tea has a lot of fluoride and I don’t filter fluoride out of the water).

I would eliminate fluoride in water.


10 posted on 05/06/2014 8:11:09 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: PaulCruz2016

I don’t drink fluoridated water, and I even do not use fluoride toothpaste. From my personal experience, fluoride does make the teeth harder, but it also makes them more brittle. The enamel of healthy, living teeth can heal from some minor damage, but enamel that is damaged by fluoride does not heal very well. And there is no health benefit to drinking fluoride, but there are health consequences.

On the other hand, I also brush and floss very frequently. Those who do not may be better off using fluoride to protect their teeth from cavities.

If I were voting on fluoride in public drinking water, I would vote against it. But if it is in the water, I will find another source for drinking.

I think people, like this author, who put blind faith in “science” and medicine, are more crazy than those of us who approach with caution and skepticism. A couple of centuries ago the author would have probably mocked those who were opposed to blood letting with leeches.


11 posted on 05/06/2014 8:11:29 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I don’t want it in my water either.
If you want it, buy it in your toothpaste.


12 posted on 05/06/2014 8:11:44 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: PaulCruz2016

Calcium Fluoride is okay, the other fluoride compounds they cram in the water are not.

plus there is the issue of it being “medicine” and how are they supposed to accurately control the dosages?


13 posted on 05/06/2014 8:12:21 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: All

drinking fluoride is healthy, it’s even better for you than the mercury in your teeth.


14 posted on 05/06/2014 8:13:30 PM PDT by willywill
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To: exDemMom
naturally occurring fluoride. Never lived in an area with it.

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15 posted on 05/06/2014 8:13:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: exDemMom
Fluoride makes the tooth structure strong. Modern dentistry can fix damage, but it’s better to strengthen teeth so they don’t become very damaged in the first place.

LOL, well, I'll say this for you, you're consistant.

16 posted on 05/06/2014 8:14:27 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I, personally, think that it’s OK, as long as you wash it down with 100% grain alcohol. Lots.


17 posted on 05/06/2014 8:14:50 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
One can recognize the therapeutic value of fluoride, and still oppose government dumping it into our drinking water. That amounts to involuntary mass medication.

Similarly, do you oppose government dumping chlorine in our drinking water?

18 posted on 05/06/2014 8:14:51 PM PDT by okie01
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

I’m also wondering why I can actually smell the chlorine when I run the water. It’s strong as heck.


19 posted on 05/06/2014 8:15:11 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: PaulCruz2016

“I have a response, but she won’t like it:”
Women sense my power and I enjoy a good round of bouncy-bouncy as much as the next mad general with nuclear weapons, Mandrake, but ... but I deny them my essence. You know, my spunk.


20 posted on 05/06/2014 8:15:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: cripplecreek

If you were given baby vitamins chances are they were Poly-Vi-Flor if you did not have fluoride in your drinking water.


21 posted on 05/06/2014 8:19:34 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: Abby4116

Its been a very very long time since I was given any baby vitamins.


22 posted on 05/06/2014 8:21:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
Baby vitamins for me and my siblings consisted of dirt out of the front yard. And bugs. We ate lots of bugs early on...

/johnny

23 posted on 05/06/2014 8:26:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: okie01

Chlorine is added to disinfect the water, while fluoride is added to treat the drinker of the water. I don’t mind if chlorine is used sparingly (as it is in our water district); but it isn’t a substitute for the proper collection, storage and distribution of the water supply. Some water districts overuse chlorine, and that’s not good.

I filter out the chlorine in water I drink. I do that mainly to improve the taste; but, also because chlorinated drinking water is a proven carcinogen.

Let me ask you: where do you draw the line on government adding medicinal chemicals to your drinking water? Do you, for instance, also support the addition of Lithium?

I use fluoridated tooth paste, and fluoridated mouthwashes. That way, I decide how much fluoride I will ingest. Why do you prefer government to make those decisions for you?


24 posted on 05/06/2014 8:31:26 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: cripplecreek
I'm sure ... LOL.

But the docs and the dentists really believed in Fluoride for teeth in the 50s, 60s, 70s. It also occurs naturally in water in many areas.

25 posted on 05/06/2014 8:31:39 PM PDT by Abby4116
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Then why waste money putting it in water systems?

Given the voting habits of most urban dwellers I think a case could be made against it.


26 posted on 05/06/2014 8:33:25 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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” chances are they were Poly-Vi-Flor”
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What difference does it make to have fluoride for teeth that a baby will loose anyway?


27 posted on 05/06/2014 8:35:50 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t have it in my water. So far so good for me ad my family.


28 posted on 05/06/2014 8:38:49 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Why do you prefer government to make those decisions for you?

Please don't insinuate something I never said. That's a conversation stopper.

29 posted on 05/06/2014 8:40:17 PM PDT by okie01
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I'm only telling you what I remember with my children.

But I think your second teeth form while you still have your baby teeth.

30 posted on 05/06/2014 8:46:19 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t remember voters having any say in this. It was a national decision in 1951 based on studies done before 1945. (I had to look that one up) but I do remember when they put it in Philadelphia’s drinking water not too long after that.


31 posted on 05/06/2014 8:50:33 PM PDT by Abby4116
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“But I think your second teeth form while you still have your baby teeth.”
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Well, I do not know, and too old to learn or worry about it.
My mouth has more gold then it has teeth.
It was my impression that fluoride affecting teeth was simply from contact, as in having it painted on the teeth by a dentist, or tooth contact with fluoridated water.
That is why I wonder why there would be much use in any treatments for kids with baby teeth.


32 posted on 05/06/2014 9:02:21 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: PaulCruz2016
Anti-fluoridation quackery isn’t the comical Eisenhower-era anachronism you might suspect. It’s alive and well right here in Dallas, where activists are trying to persuade members of the Dallas City Council to end five decades of routine water fluoridation. Disturbingly, at least a few council members seem to be listening.

The facts of the case militate against the appellation of quackery, IMO. The principal fact is that this is not a case of some trace "element" being added to the water with merely imagined deleterious effects. The amounts which are considered therapuetic are within a factor of order unity of amounts considered deleterious. In fact there are regions of the country where the natural water has enough flouride to be deleterious.

Then, if the "quacks" are relics of the Eisenhower era, so are the practice and justification for this practice. Recall this is an era when fluoroscopes were installed in shoe stores. The amount of radiation exposure these things produced was absolutely outrageous, yet anyone pointing out their dangers might have been considered a "quack", at least by the shoe store manager.

Well, I don't suppose fluoridation is as bad as that, but it is not pure driven snow.

33 posted on 05/06/2014 9:02:47 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: willywill

Nicely played


34 posted on 05/06/2014 9:09:34 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: cripplecreek

In fact, I filter my water, personally, I don’t like the Fluoride in the water, or the Chlorine either. Minerals in water are also not neccessarily good for my expectant wife and small children either. But chances are yes, decent mouthwash and toothbrushing with fluoride supplement should do the trick.


35 posted on 05/06/2014 9:12:50 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Giant Bingo!
Haven’t had a cavity in 5 years for the first time in my close to 60 years..
Berkey all the way and non fluoride toothpaste!


36 posted on 05/06/2014 9:14:19 PM PDT by acapesket
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I didn’t know there were filters for fluoride...are they costly?


37 posted on 05/06/2014 9:24:55 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Fluoride is industrial waste.


38 posted on 05/06/2014 9:25:25 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Fluoride is industrial waste.


39 posted on 05/06/2014 9:25:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Don’t forget the rain water.


40 posted on 05/06/2014 9:29:31 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

As kids we had good teeth. There was natural fluoride in the well water we drank. At 67, I still have my own teeth, my dad died with perfect teeth, my wife has good teeth and my daughters have good teeth. All from well water.


41 posted on 05/06/2014 10:01:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Funny being anti-fluoride used to be a considered a right wing cause but it’s become a left-wing cause in recent years


42 posted on 05/06/2014 10:04:50 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

“Do you, for instance, also support the addition of Lithium?”

Absolutely yes. I many locales,, Yes. Quaaludes too.


43 posted on 05/06/2014 10:24:08 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: dfwgator

First they start with the fluoride then bam..... before you know it they are selling us global warming


44 posted on 05/06/2014 10:28:53 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Abby4116

I remember them.


45 posted on 05/06/2014 10:33:05 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: goodnesswins

Aquacera Cerametix on Amazon. About $40.


46 posted on 05/06/2014 10:37:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Sodium fluoride used to be used as the active ingredient in some insecticides. It works as a pesticide in toothpaste to kill bacteria.


47 posted on 05/07/2014 12:04:10 AM PDT by Rockpile
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To: okie01

I apologize if I misunderstood you — which, apparently, I did.


48 posted on 05/07/2014 12:06:35 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Rockpile

When you tent a house, the poisonous neurotoxin they spouse is sodium fluoride.


49 posted on 05/07/2014 12:36:16 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Georgia Girl 2

We filter out fluoride. Alumina is the filter media


50 posted on 05/07/2014 12:39:03 AM PDT by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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