Skip to comments.GOP establishment strikes back in primaries
Posted on 05/07/2014 7:09:15 AM PDT by rktman
It was pretty much a rout for Tea Party/insurgents in yesterdays primaries, as establishment-backed candidate for the North Carolina Senate nomination Thom Tillis easily exceeded the 40% threshold necessary to avoid a run-off, while incumbent House members John Boehner (OH), Renee Elmers (NC), Walter Jones (NC), David Joyce (OH), and Susan Brooks (IN) defeated challengers from the right. But before concluding that all is hopeless, consider a few aspects of the situation.
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I guess human casualty rates are not high enough yet to make a difference.
If I lived in SW Ohio, in this one and only instance, I would vote for the Democrat in November.
The GOP is likely to keep a healthy margin in the House, no matter what happens.
Punishing Boehner and sending a chilling message to the GOPe is the most important thing we can do right now.
I am trying to decide between not voting for Cantor(VA 7) or actually voting against him. I am really considering it.
Good Article. Read it All. Excellent points made. Both sides will lick our wounds (rinos and Tea) and fight on.
Isn’t there someone on a third party ticket? Voting for a democrat? Really??
Same here. If they totally ignore us (and they are close) the GOPe will be a greater disaster than any Dim could hope.
>> Good Article. Read it All. <<
From the comments on this thread, I get the impression that you’re the only one who has indeed read the thing!
My take is that precisely because so many Tea Partiers were "first timers" and really novices---a wonderful thing for ideology---they tended to seriously let down ther guard and more important, failed to BUILD the movement after 2010. Many expected that the new House members and senators would carry the ball. Some did, some (Rubio) defected, some hsve been squishy.
But here's the bad news: Tea Party groups either became angry and dropped out or lost patience. Politics is a marathon, not a sprint. The Left gets it..
I noted in my talks that Tea Party attendance began falling steadily. One Dayton chairman told me his group was nearly defunct, and that the ONLY issue that drew a crowd all year was Common Core. But it's the same wherever I travel. Chapters that existed two years ago are gone---Fargo, ND for example. Part of any revival that can take place has to be an understanding of the slow and incremental nature of American politics.
yes, by all means this article requires a read (imho)
Not voting for the Democrat so much as voting to fire Boehner. Voting third-party will just toss your vote into the “other” column. Sending him packing is the main goal.
One thing to remember about last nights races, disappointing as some of them were, is that the Tea Party candidates were largely unknowns and campaigned on a small fraction of the funding available to their GOP establishment counterparts. Also, these candidates really didnt have the benefit of receiving high profile endorsements (other than South Carolina Senate hopeful Greg Brannons endorsement from Rand Paul, which I think may have come a bit too late in the game).
I think the most important upcoming races to watch are the ones involving Tea Party candidates backed by the Senate Conservatives Fund (i.e. - Bevin, KY; Sasse, NE; Maness - LA; Wolf - KS; Shannon - OK; McDaniel - MS; Ernst - IA, etc.). These candidates are receiving a lot more national attention and therefore bringing in some substantial outside campaign donations. And I dont care what the media or the pundits say... I think Lindsey Graham could be in for a dog fight in his South Carolina primary race as he is currently polling just below the 50% vote threshold needed to avoid a runoff. I would LOVE to see SC cut the cord with this RINO turd and nominate a true conservative replacement!
A lot of them also think going to meetings is campaining.
Yeah, more votes for Democrats would lead Republicans to believe they need to keep moving left to gain votes.
I won’t vote for Cornyn, so it’ll either be third party or left blank.
The Ruling Class Establishment GOP made it abundantly and crystal clear: they were going to “crush” Tea Party Conservatives wherever they found them. The TEA Party Conservative movement was infiltrated by Ruling Class operatives and torn apart from within and buried in an avalanche of Establishment -funded demonization.
Conservatives are IDIOTS if they think they are going to be able to forward our agenda and maintain the Constitution and the Republic from within the GOP.
We are become wholly Soviet in our politics in this country. We have a single party Ruling Class running the country fostering the illusion of choice while making Conservatism IRRELEVANT in political discourse.
If you do not understand this - you have no clue what time it is in this country.
It also has to do with there being candidates who have a complete vision of what the US should be, has the instincts to react in fast-moving national and global events, and can inspire as he/she articulates a vision.
Rand Paul did that with the drone issue and his popularity soared. Ted Cruz did that for a lot of people (in spite of media and RINO hype) with his magnificent 21 hours. Rubio could've done it, I think, if he hadn't been taken down by Schummer.
Nobody either party is out there connecting low wages and unemployment with the invasion of the US. Nobody either party is expressing the disgust of most US citizens about supporting terrorists, destabilizing governments, and being involved in parts of the world we don't belong. Nobody cares about decent hard-working older citizens who are being destroyed by 0% interest on bank savings. Nobody was quick enough to seize on Bundy as an imprefect person perhaps but a real rallying point for how the federal govenrment has taken over our lives. Did anybody have the guts to actively and vocally condemn all the damage McCain has done, at home and abroad?
The RINOs will win because we don't need positions, we need a vision to save the US. I think it's something in a candidate you might have to find, by their actions and leadership, instead of them finding you.
So let me get this straight
There were many people out there who said to themselves, “John Boehner is doing such a wonderful job as speaker and as my representative that I am going to make sure I take time out of my day to go vote for him”
Seriously?? Who the F*#@ are these morons that went out and voted for this guy (and the those other bastards)???????
In a sane society none of them would have gotten over 5% of the vote
I am sorry, America is just too stupid to live.
Plus it is more west central than southwest.
Look what else I found! Bonehead, himself, first got elected to congress by beating a disgraced GOP congressman in a primary. The turd bird Buz Lukens was so addicted to power, he wouldn't resign even when caught on camera.
The ruling elite will not allow their people to lose and they know that vote fraud always works.
Bump. Yes, lessons to be learned from the Tillis win in N.C. Lick wounds, fight on, there are plenty of other ongoing primary fights that should be won (highest probability, not limited to):
Sasse in NE
McDaniel in MS
Carr in TN
A few lessons from N.C. (in no particular order):
a crowded field is bad for the Tea Party candidate (having Harris in the race killed Brannon); other states with this same problem - GA, LA, AK, MT, IA, SD, WV ...
Tea Party candidate profile - recruiting from existing state legislators (who have won a previous state election) is ALWAYS preferable to brand new candidates;
Establishment candidate profile - if the establishment candidate has a track record that can be perceived by this electorate as 'sufficiently' conservative, the hill is almost insurmountable (Tillis had some good accomplishments with the Gov);
Money - a Tea Party candidate has to be self-sustaining or able to raise sufficient money to keep somewhat close to the Rove machine;
Campaign strategy - have a smart experienced group of advisers and don't let the Rove team label you as extreme or fringe.
You understand what time it is.
Most unfortunately . do not - or refuse to see it because they are infected with a fatal case of Normalcy Bias.
Walter Jones was a conservative favorite here, against an establishment plant that posed as a “Tea Party” candidates, not all is as it seems..!
Thus far will agree about N.C. but Nationwide think Americans managed a draw. The fight shall continue as all lick our wounds (imho). The bottom line or the line did not move as far as can assess between right and wrong. Maybe am in denial, (that river in Egypt), but Americans are not in over our heads and going down though Americans have waded into the water (imho). Sometimes one has to wade into the water and risk being drown. Maybe have gone under two times but have a third one, I think, but am looking to avoid a third time under.
ping for your thoughtful additions, edits, rebuttals ...
Some of this has to do with Tea Party candidates just being too conservative for these districts. I don’t expect a lot of tea party folks to win in these primaries.
Yep, suhweet would be winning the Senate while Mcconnell goes down to a Democrat!
May be Given and / or Denied ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4ISFwQ5MIo
I’m a bit raw on NC right now ..I was with Taylor Griffin last night when he realized he would fall just short of Jones ..this was not a classic TP versus the estab race, but Jones is just an very intellectually bankrupt guy who needed to be replaced. A 20 or 22 year incumbent I think.
And Brannon’s team was awful - shame - great man, would be a great Senator. But he kept his inexperienced team, even after his camp had the ability to upgrade with some better people. We all will pay for that. Tillis could have been forced into a run off, and Brannon would have won that I think.
Thank You for your earlier post directed at me ... Many truths in your post. Your words were timely and timeless.
Yep. If the GOP passes amnesty watch the bottom drop out
into a black hole.
Funding, funding, funding
Any insurgency without funding has to start at a lower level and work up. I’d guess the state rep level would be about right. It’s a small enough geographic area that door to door can offset big bucks.
I'm with you. As to last night's results, consider this:
Would there be a House Select Committee on Benghazi without the Tea Party?
Amnesty would be the "law of the land" without the Tea Party. That's why immigration reform will not come until after November's elections. It may not come then, either, depending on the size of the Republican onslaught in November.
GOPe knows their hold on power is tenuous without the Tea Party, that's the base of their party...for now.
Remember one Tea Party candidate that did just as you preach ... She went door to door. She won and is still safe.
Bingo. This is absolutely what is. Missing: a top-to-bottom understanding of why BOTH drones and amnesty are bad; why “global warming” is a hoax not just against laborers but against truth and science. No one on our side so far had that ability to connect the dots.
In can, and had happened both ways in American history. Libs completely took over the Dem party, while the Whigs indeed faded out and were replaced. But without a single, sectional, issue, replacement is FAR less likely than internal takeover. It took the libs 50 years, going back to Henry Wallace’s failed bids, to seize control of the Dems, which is precisely why I say it’s a marathon.
Or that complaining is campaigning.
I would cation to vote against Obama no matter what in the general election no matter what happens in the primary.
So your rooting for Nancy Pelosi? Sure you’re on the right forum?
If we were still a Republic I would agree with your assessment that we need to look at this as a marathon.
We suffered a MarxoFascist coup - and most continue to pretend that is not the reality we now live in.
The Ruling Class with the GOP-e knows where the power is going to lie and they are going to do everything they can to share in it, including getting rid of it’s base if they will not seig-heil the new order. Most Americans have nary a clue what has happened because they all have a fatal case of Normalcy Bias.
In my estimation, it’s not a marathon we can win because the race itself is a sham, a corruption and a cage. We went Soviet, and we continue to lie to ourselves that is not the case.
Then you and I have nothing to discuss.
It is unfortunate that the various conservative candidates who have challenged have been so easily beaten, but perhaps as Lifson says, in this case it's not so bad.
I am very familiar with all of the NC races. Here is quick take:
Senate: Brannon had poor young campaign team, and they only reached about half of Brannon’s natural audience. The top two guys on his staff were paul bots, and they were young, worried about their turf, and do not understand the wider electorate. Tillis also had a lot of money.
NC 3 Jones def Griffin. Not a classic Tea Party v estab race - as Jones is neither liked by the TP or the estabs after 22 years of eratic voting and no intellectual coherence. Griffin had Palin and TP support, but some TP national folks like Laura Ingraham hurt him because while he’s not pro ammesty, he’s not going to win in eastern NC with a harsh pro deport campaign. No one is.
NC 2: Same deal: deport hardliner Frank Roche smoked by Rene Ellmers, a weak incumbent. Again, this is a district tht has been supported by migrant labor for a hundred years, and they don’t think that has anything to do with the vast majority of the illegal immigration problem the rest of the country has had in the past 20 years. This is a TP type district, but they are not ever going to vote themsleves out of the farming business. Roch weak candidate too.
The other big problem is that most tea parties don't know how to campaign, and that most that raise the money spend it on consultants instead of candidate assistance. You know thosge emails you get from those tea party groups asking for money? Those groups don't assist candidate fighting bad incumbents.
As fas as inabilty to change the gop goes, I've fired my bad incumbent Joe Schwarz and replaced him with conservative Tim Walberg. It's been done. It takes a lot of time and effort that most people aren't willing to give.
I agree, especially in regards to funding. If some of the national groups spent that six figures on candidate assistance instead of consulting, there may have beenmore funding.
Cook County went national. Every election cycle now verifies this fact, and the nation will continue to move towards the Collectivist Totalitarian State that is being imposed on us.
If you had not noticed, the Rule of Law is pretty much dead as it concerns the Federal Beast. The Executive rules by decree. Alphabets impose the Executive’s will without any public voice or oversight. Government now dictates to the people as opposed to being directed by the People. Government will now tell us what is moral, what is science, what is truth. This power is coveted by all who are elected to office. The Ruling Class now decides who is allowed to run in local and national elections and they will demonize and crush anyone daring to put an end to their rule over us.
The problem is not winning elections as if political horse races are still some kind of game we can win. The problem is that too few Americans recognize we have been overthrown in a velvet MarxoFascist coup and are stuck on stupid thinking elections will fix where we have arrived.
Elections will not fix this tyranny we are comfortable with and make excuses for.
The Ruling Class is now entrenched in power and consolidating itself. Cook County is now institutionalized and the illusion of choice is fostered on a willfully clueless people being ruled by an evil minority.
Empirical data is irrelevant yaknow, globaull farming and all. ;-)
The proof is in the pudding.
We’ll see who puckers in delight this fall and 2016.
I like sleeping giants..
And the odds.
But I’m an Ike baby. Lol