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Vatican Defrocked 848 Priests, Sanctioned 2,572 Others in Child Abuse Cases; $2.5B Paid to Victims
Christian Post ^ | 05/07/2014 | Stoyan Zaimov

Posted on 05/07/2014 2:24:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A Vatican official revealed during a U.N. Committee hearing on Tuesday that the Roman Catholic Church defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 others since 2004. Figures show that it has also paid $ 2.5 billion in compensation to victims in the U.S. alone.

"While the Holy See does not have the competency or the ability to initiate criminal proceedings against crimes that are committed in territories outside Vatican City State, it makes every effort to conduct ecclesiastical proceedings against clerics against whom credible accusations of sexual abuse of minors have been presented," the Holy See representative to Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi, told Vatican Radio following the hearing.

"This is done without substitution for or prejudices of other processes that are to be applied by the competent judiciary system in the state in which the accused person resides. Civil law regarding the reporting of the crime to the authorities should always be followed."

The Associated Press reported that the Vatican provided a breakdown of how it has handled more than 3,400 cases of reported child abuse since 2004. The Holy See further added that it paid $2.5 billion in compensation to victims of clerical abuse in America, according to The New York Times.

The hearing concerned the implementation of a U.N. treaty against torture, with Tomasi insisting that the Catholic Church is only obligated to abide by the treaty within the confines of the Vatican City State.

The Vatican representative added that he would not dispute the committee's argument that sexual violence against minors can be classified as torture.

The statistics on priests and sex abuse cases allegedly show that the peaks in numbers over the years in reported cases and sanctions paralleled the years in which the scandals made the news. They also show that the annual reported cases of abuse since 2010 has remained around the 400 mark.

The UN has been grilling the Vatican to stop protecting child abuse clergy in recent months, though the Vatican has claimed that it has done more than any other international organization to combat the problem.

"Sexual abuse of a minor is a sin and a crime and no organization can become complacent about addressing it. The Catholic Church has certainly done more than any other international organization to face the problem and it will continue to lead in doing so," said Sister Mary Ann Walsh, director of Media Relations for the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, in a post in February following the publication of a report by the U.N. Committee on the Rights of the Child.

AP noted that the reported figures only cover cases handled directly by the Vatican, meaning that the number is even higher when taking into account local diocesan tribunals.

Tomasi reflected that the hearing was "constructive" as it allowed the Vatican to make "important clarifications."

The Archbishop highlighted that Pope Francis established the Commission for the Protection of Children last year as another step toward safeguarding minors in the Church.

The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, which has often criticized the Vatican for its handling of sex abuse cases, commented that the latest Vatican statistics are "useless."

"Every step towards more transparency about clergy sex crimes and cover ups is good. But this one – the number of priests defrocked – is largely meaningless," the group wrote on Tuesday.

"Parents can't protect their kids from a number. What parents need are the names and whereabouts of child molesting clerics. This is what the Vatican should disclose," it added.

Cardinal Sean P. O'Malley of Boston said ahead of the Geneva hearing that the Church is committed to fighting the widespread problem and will recommend stricter standards for accountability.

"In some people's minds, 'Oh, this is an American problem, it's an Irish problem, it's a German problem,'" O'Malley told reporters on May 3, Catholic News Service shared.

"Well, it's a human problem, and the church needs to face it everywhere in the world. And so a lot of our recommendations are going to have to be around education, because there is so much ignorance around this topic, so much denial."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; childabuse; vatican

1 posted on 05/07/2014 2:24:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

3400???


2 posted on 05/07/2014 2:27:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind

What does it mean to “sanction” a member of the clergy?


3 posted on 05/07/2014 2:29:36 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: SeekAndFind

You think the public schools keep track of the number of teachers fired and how much compensation they have had to pay?


4 posted on 05/07/2014 2:30:08 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: SeekAndFind

http://bishop-accountability.org/member/

They have 3900+ records. That they know about (which many are probably NOT subjects cited in this article).


5 posted on 05/07/2014 2:35:27 PM PDT by Up Yours Marxists
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To: SeekAndFind

“5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.”

Matthew 18:5-6

So, so sad


6 posted on 05/07/2014 2:36:54 PM PDT by Owl558 (Those who remember George Santayana are doomed to repeat him)
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To: the_daug

The millions of teachers belong to different school districts, and they aren’t church leaders, what does that have to do with religion?


7 posted on 05/07/2014 2:38:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind
A Vatican official revealed during a U.N. Committee hearing on Tuesday that the Roman Catholic Church defrocked 848 priests who raped or molested children and sanctioned another 2,572 others since 2004. Figures show that it has also paid $ 2.5 billion in compensation to victims in the U.S. alone.

How many bishops? How many Cardinals?

8 posted on 05/07/2014 2:59:46 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind
The fact of the matter is, Christians in this country can't handle the Truth so the Carnival of finger pointing and gloating will continue until panic sets in and people revert to yelling, "it's not possible, conspiracy, lies, . . .", and etc.

A sick society breeds sick individuals and while an awful lot of people want to pretend the sickos are concentrated among, "those people", the dam is pretty close to bursting and the precedent has been set.

Even little groups will be fleeced because the courts run on precedent. Home Churches are no defense, that just leads to the likes of SNAP being awarded homes along with whatever else they get. What is cheered on while it's pushed beyond all reason becomes the preferred means of theft and repression every time.

People have been cheering on the means of their own destruction the same way the mob at first cheered on the use of the guillotine only to find out they were the next in line.

JMHO

9 posted on 05/07/2014 3:03:42 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ansel12
3400???

Many could be older cases that just came to light. I doubt there have been that many instances since 2004.

10 posted on 05/07/2014 3:06:54 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c

But 3400? Thousands and thousands? That is church corruption and perversion and cover-ups, on a level that I never imagined.


11 posted on 05/07/2014 3:20:13 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind
the Holy See does not have the competency or the ability to initiate criminal proceedings against crimes that are committed in territories outside Vatican City

Hogwash. Just turn the records over to the local police.

12 posted on 05/07/2014 3:20:21 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: ansel12

Yes, there were deplorable acts committed. But yes ... the Church is cleaning house.

Later in the article it states 400 per year. There shouldn’t even be one. But where humans are involved, there are going to be failures.

I do hope the Church can get rid of all of them ... and the ones involved in cover-ups.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 3:41:10 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: ansel12

I think his point is that these types of sins are not singular to the Catholic Church. Stats show that molestation rates are higher in schools. In fact, the odds of being molested by a Catholic priest are very low. Keep in mind that the Church is worldwide ... there are many, many priests in this world.


14 posted on 05/07/2014 3:44:39 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c
Stats show that molestation rates are higher in schools. In fact, the odds of being molested by a Catholic priest are very low.

According to the John Jay Report, the sexual abuse rates are as follows:

Priests 1-2%
Ministers 2-3%
Government school teachers 5-10%

People forget that the original, man-bites-dog aspect of the abuse story was the fact that some bishops were shuffling around known abusers.

15 posted on 05/07/2014 3:47:53 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: al_c

My posts have already answered your parroting them back to me.

Teachers aren’t Priests, or even part of any particular group or under any one authority, they are just people of all kinds, and 3400 has shocked me, I could never have guessed that scale, never.


16 posted on 05/07/2014 4:33:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: al_c

“Later in the article it states 400 per year.”

reported.


17 posted on 05/07/2014 4:49:25 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: ansel12

Yes 3,400 out of 410,000 or so. So an offender rate of 0.8%.


18 posted on 05/07/2014 6:02:12 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Thank you for posting the numbers.


19 posted on 05/07/2014 6:57:49 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: ansel12

It’s not an article? Was it posted under religion?
It just happens to be the Roman Catholic church. Church leaders are not any more immune to perversion than the general population. I’m sure there are a lot of institution’s that have this child abuse problem and the school system is now teaching perversion as normal. At least the RC church teaches perversion is sin. I find then the UN going after the RC church as being ironic since they also promote perversion.


20 posted on 05/07/2014 6:58:31 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: wonkowasright

3400 is extraordinary, it pretty much proves that the corruption and concealment was worse than any of us knew, I never dreamed that it was anything like that.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 6:58:58 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Reported?

FYI ... roughly just over 2% of priests worldwide have been accused. Roughly 1% convicted.


22 posted on 05/07/2014 7:00:13 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: ansel12

Thats 340 a year over a 10 year period with a total headcount of 410,000. Thats a lower rate than any other group I know of.

Every case is a travesty but I can guarantee if you spend some time watching news feeds on keywords like pastor abuse, priest abuse you will soon see a much higher occurrence in other groups that haven’t gotten the media spotlight.

They all need to be cleaned up to be sure. Don’t letup on your outrage at the priest abuse issue. But add a heapin helpin for the others that aren’t being focused on in other groups.


23 posted on 05/07/2014 7:37:36 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: wonkowasright

I don’t know the rates for different denominations that come under one authority who runs the denomination, and it’s training, and hiring, and I know of no other Christian denomination with more sex scandals involving male on male lust.


24 posted on 05/07/2014 7:45:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: al_c
"Reported?"

... Yes. the 400 is the number that are reported each year, as in the quote in the article:

"They also show that the annual reported cases of abuse since 2010 has remained around the 400 mark."

"FYI ... roughly just over 2% of priests worldwide have been accused. Roughly 1% convicted."

... Two responses.

... First, we can be thankful it isn't higher, but of course this is the number "accused" - not the number who have abused children.

...Second, we don't know the full evidence of the number of abusers who were protected and shuffled around by those in authority, at the expense of additional children.


25 posted on 05/07/2014 7:47:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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