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Sen. Introduces Bill To Test Out Taxing Motorists For Every Mile They Drive (California)
CBS LA ^ | 5/7/14

Posted on 05/07/2014 4:30:57 PM PDT by OneVike

The California Legislature is looking at a voluntary program that would tax motorists for every mile they drive.

KCAL9’s Bobby Kaple reports that Sen. Mark DeSaulnier, D-Concord, introduced a bill to test out the vehicle miles traveled (VMT) tax because the state’s gas tax was no longer bringing in the revenue it used to due to people driving more fuel efficient vehicles.

The program is modeled after ones in Oregon and Washington.

“We want to do as Washington and Oregon have done in a much bigger state with much longer commutes…to make sure that we find out whether it would work, whether the public would like it or not,” DeSaulnier said.

It’s unknown how much the tax would be, but Oregon currently charges its volunteers 1.5 cents per mile.

“All of those things would be determined. We would let the agency determine that because this would be a voluntary program,” DeSaulnier said.

Southland commuters were not thrilled about the idea of a VMT tax.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Oregon; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: bobbykaple; california; concord; kcal9; markdesaulnier; mileage; oregon; payasyougo; sb1077; taxes; userpays; usetax; washington; whatstheproblem
I can hear all the cars heading for the border as I type this. Oh yea, they will also charge more per mile for those of us in rural Ca, because it would be unfair.

Just like we pay higher insurance premiums because our mileage is lower than those living in the city and thus it's unfair.

Plus, the voters will still return the Democrats to power.

1 posted on 05/07/2014 4:30:57 PM PDT by OneVike
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To: OneVike

Then repeal the gas tax immediately.

I agree that those running electric cars aren’t paying “their fair share”.

Also, with the high price of gasoline in the Obama error, I’ve severely cut back on my driving.


3 posted on 05/07/2014 4:33:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

I guess all those low mileage vehicles have cut into their tax revenue.

And the citizens thought they were saving money.

What a bunch of fools.


4 posted on 05/07/2014 4:34:52 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Voluntary?

Ha ha ha


5 posted on 05/07/2014 4:35:11 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: OneVike

What would be the amount of tax that I owe if I were to drive to Texas and never come back to California?


6 posted on 05/07/2014 4:35:38 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: OneVike

This is actually a good idea. If I don’t drive, why should I pay road taxes?


7 posted on 05/07/2014 4:35:40 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: OneVike

When there is water rationing and the public complies, water rates are raised to keep up the cash flow.


8 posted on 05/07/2014 4:36:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: OneVike
"The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus
9 posted on 05/07/2014 4:36:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: F15Eagle

Next up: Kalifornians to be taxed for every breath they take with new innovative device that comes in the form of a capsule that an be swallowed. The unit also comes with a GPS tracking device that can only be activated by the user (and government)


10 posted on 05/07/2014 4:38:14 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: a fool in paradise

Wait till they put meters on everyone’s wells and start taxing by the gallons coming from the underground cisterns.


11 posted on 05/07/2014 4:38:31 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Liberalism is a mental disease.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 4:38:37 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: OneVike
Only if he agrees to be taxed for every minute that he talks in the Ca. Senate.
13 posted on 05/07/2014 4:38:48 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: GeronL

That and wondering how much commuters will like it leaves me wondering if the article really isn’t satire.


14 posted on 05/07/2014 4:38:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: OneVike
All I got to say is Ha Ha Ha. All you stupid Democrats that support your party are fools. Everything you shi! heads do will come back and bite you. The world is full of idiots but the Democrats take the highest order of stupidity. Hey all you Hollywood types, MSM, the unions, and the rest of you Democrats, stupid, stupid, stupid.
15 posted on 05/07/2014 4:39:48 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: OneVike

Hey isn’t having sat/cell capability in cars with computers great?

WE TOLD YOU this would happen.


16 posted on 05/07/2014 4:39:51 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: OneVike

They are bound and determined to return to the days of the Dark Ages where we are surfs, owned by the land and we do what they tell us, how they tell us, and how long they tell us.

Them Lord, We Slave.


17 posted on 05/07/2014 4:40:12 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: OneVike

Geez, a mileage tax? You can bet they’ll retain gas taxes and tolls too.


18 posted on 05/07/2014 4:41:21 PM PDT by umgud
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To: FatherofFive
This is actually a good idea. If I don’t drive, why should I pay road taxes?

You must have a liberal mindset. How do you think the goods you buy gets to you or the stores. You pay a road tax every time you buy a beer. And now watch the prices go up for your beer.

19 posted on 05/07/2014 4:42:21 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: OneVike
whether the public would like it or not,” DeSaulnier said.

Seriously, at what point does a politician forget what it is like to be a regular citizen?
20 posted on 05/07/2014 4:43:39 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

F the liberals, the socialists, and the progressives that are gullibe and naieve enough to believe that their government is good and has their beat interests at heart. The government is like a gigantic fat spoiled child that is never satisfied with what it has and always wants more and you have to be the one to bow and sacrifice for them when they have absolutely no respect for you. They just want what they want because you have it and they want it. The Mafia is more honorable by far...


21 posted on 05/07/2014 4:43:57 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: OneVike; martin_fierro

The roads in southeastern Wisconsin are worse than in Puerto Rico. The long cold winter has turned our highways into those of a third world country.

They can kiss the front of my ass if they think I’ll agree to a VMT.


22 posted on 05/07/2014 4:46:25 PM PDT by BraveMan
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To: OneVike

Let’s get this right

the gubernut encourages people to drive more fuel efficient cars, and they do

so they can drive as many miles as before but buy fewer gallons of gas,

so, as the public DOES become more thrifty with fuel, as the gubernut wanted people to do,

the gubernut gets less money from taxes on the fuels cars and trucks consume,

so, the public having done a good thing, the gubernut wants to reward everyone for a job well done with more taxes;

that’s why its called the gubernut


23 posted on 05/07/2014 4:48:04 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: OneVike

We’ve warned what will eventually happen to all of these “sin taxes”, like cigarette taxes, alcohol tax, soda tax, etc. When people curtail their use, the govt has to find some other tax to make up for the lost revenue. Everybody ends up paying it.


24 posted on 05/07/2014 4:54:36 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: GeronL

how can it be voluntary? If you agree, you still pay gas taxes every time you get gas. They really expect people to volunteer to pay this tax?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see it passed as a mandatory tax. But can’t see this work out as a voluntary payment.


25 posted on 05/07/2014 5:13:22 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: OneVike

I’m sure there will be a waiting list for people wanting to get onto this program. After all, it’s for the children or whales or whatever/s.


26 posted on 05/07/2014 5:14:02 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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To: OneVike

Another ‘grazing cattle fee’ regulation where government gets money for doing nothing and to control you to boot. Yippee!


27 posted on 05/07/2014 5:16:43 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Logical me
You must have a liberal mindset.

Not as all. If I don't drive, why should I pay a road tax? I pay for food, and the cost of food reflects all costs. I will pay that. But if I don't drive, why should I pay a road tax? You sound like a communist. Everyone shares the cost of everything.

28 posted on 05/07/2014 5:17:44 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: OneVike

Even Republican supermajority Indiana has advocates of this evil plan:

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/lawmaker-mileage-charge-could-replace-state-gas-tax/article_bafebb01-2c29-56b8-8b6b-a351a785a2ff.html


29 posted on 05/07/2014 5:20:55 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraiaq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: FatherofFive

” If I don’t drive, why should I pay road taxes?”

So the government can spend it on the bus system which uses the roads and doesn’t pay road taxes.
After all, somebody has to pay LOL!


30 posted on 05/07/2014 5:31:52 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: mrsmith
So the government can spend it on the bus system

The bus system is a communist idea. Everyone pays for the transportation of a few.

31 posted on 05/07/2014 5:36:46 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Nobody joins and they make it mandatory, isn’t that the usual MO?


32 posted on 05/07/2014 5:36:51 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: GeronL

What idiot would volunteer to pay a new tax?


33 posted on 05/07/2014 5:45:32 PM PDT by super7man
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To: FatherofFive

It’s a feudal idea: gives the serfs something to use to serve their lords at the lowest cost to their lords and also increases their dependency on their lords.
Communism being scientific feudalism it is, indeed, a communist and socialist “three-fer”.


34 posted on 05/07/2014 5:47:44 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: GeronL

They will do it at inspection time. They will calculate your mileage for the year, divide by 12, look at a table and they will add it to your registration fee. Pretty simple really.

To start the program off, they will take mileage since purchase, prorate it to your inspection date and bill you for it. If you don’t pay, they will take it from your taxes.


35 posted on 05/07/2014 5:48:40 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Oops, everyone’s odometer broke


36 posted on 05/07/2014 5:51:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: mrsmith

Communism has a compelling attraction for those who cannot produce


37 posted on 05/07/2014 6:00:11 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: OneVike

“Voluntary”. Yeah right, just like the “voluntary” income tax.

If they didn’t spend most of the gas tax on public transit boondoggles they would have enough to fix the roads. The whole theory of which is supposed to benefit drivers by getting more cars off the roads. Which means less gas tax revenue, so taxes have to be raised on remaining drivers, which means people drive less and buy more fuel efficient cars, which means even less money...


38 posted on 05/07/2014 6:01:07 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: super7man

It might save me a lot of money.

I drive 5K miles a year at most.

The volunteer plans I have heard about include some sort of rebate/refund of your gasoline taxes.

I also love the idea of a Leaf driver paying the same or more in road taxes than a Mustang GT driver.

After all, these hybrids and electrics are just as heavy, if not heavier.

I wouldn’t dismiss the mileage tax idea without a lot of thought.


39 posted on 05/07/2014 6:18:19 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: OneVike
"...whether the public would like it or not,” DeSaulnier said.

Sounds like something that someone who has been hittin' dat potent Colorado High happy smoke would say.

40 posted on 05/07/2014 6:24:48 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: ltc8k6

Oregon’s program:

http://roadchargeoregon.org/frequently-asked-questions/#FAQtax

http://roadchargeoregon.org/frequently-asked-questions-2013-pilot/


41 posted on 05/07/2014 6:25:31 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: GeronL

That was exactly what I was just thinking. I have an older vehicle. I would just roll my odometer back and say hey, i drive very little.


42 posted on 05/07/2014 7:32:04 PM PDT by Yellowstone Joe
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To: ltc8k6

Yea well that rebate idea would last a year or maybe 5 at the most.

Then it would end and the same politicians will raise both the gas taxes and the tax per mile. All because the pet projects the money is supposed to pay for has been costing more than they projected.

Don’t ever never fall for the idea that any new tax is a good tax my friend. Trust me, no tax is good, because no old tax it was supposed to replace never goes away.


43 posted on 05/07/2014 7:46:09 PM PDT by Yellowstone Joe (God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy)
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To: umgud

Gas taxes are already a mileage tax. The more you drive the more often you fill up the more you pay.


44 posted on 05/07/2014 7:51:09 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Yellowstone Joe

Sure. Even if they actually got rid of the gas tax, we’d hear this in a few years:

“People are driving less, so highway tax revenue is down. We need to increase the rates to have enough money to maintain the highways.”

Or they will just say they need to reintroduce the fuel tax...


45 posted on 05/07/2014 8:32:52 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: sheana

There are now a lot of vehicles on the road that never, or rarely, use gasoline or diesel fuel, yet are quite heavy, and use the roads a lot.

They aren’t paying.


46 posted on 05/07/2014 8:34:53 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Then apply it to them and leave us alone. Sick of them changing everyone else’s way of doing things for a few.


47 posted on 05/07/2014 8:38:27 PM PDT by sheana
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To: sheana

Yeah, they could just pay a highway tax at tag renewal.

15K miles a year at 1.5 cents per, would be a $225.00 annual fee.


48 posted on 05/07/2014 8:49:37 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

Thanks for the clarification. I missed the part about the rebate on the gas tax.

In general I am in favor of other people owning hybrids or electrics. It just leaves that much more gas for me. ;0)


49 posted on 05/07/2014 9:00:20 PM PDT by super7man
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To: FatherofFive

If you don’t drive, you wouldn’t be buying gas, which is where the existing road tax is paid. That part doesn’t change and is not an improvement.


50 posted on 05/07/2014 10:18:34 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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