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“I had no Idea how bad Islam was until I dated a Muslim…”
Pamela Geller ^ | 5/7/14 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 05/07/2014 4:46:31 PM PDT by Nachum

I receive a lot of mail. The most heartbreaking letters, of course, are from Muslims in Muslim countries who have left Islam or question Islam, and their intellectual freedom is met with violence from family members and friends. They write to cry for help. I get a few of those emails a week, and I help each one to the best I can. Notice how they aren’t writing CAIR for help.

I owe a debt of gratitude to Ali Sina for helping me handle the most difficult and gruesome of those letters. In a number of instances, Ali has gotten a number of these victims who have written to me out of their countries and to safe harbor.

This email is of a different nature. The journey of this young woman, whose name I have changed for obvious reasons, is all too common, but little told. It is difficult to break free from the institutionalized thinking, reinforced in every corner of the our culture, concerning Islam. Those who challenge the propagandist narrative are smeared and libeled. Few take the risk.

I salute this “escapee.” Her note to me is a declaration of freedom and an invitation to others to question their premise and not be afraid to think.

Hello Pamela Geller, I recently came across your website thanks to Ali Sina who has mentioned you a couple of times on his blog. My story is on his blog under “I was in a relationship with a Muslim”. I have been watching a lot of your interviews and your debates with Muslims and I have learned so much from you and Ali Sina. When I hear you speak about the dangers of Islam, I sometimes fear for your life because I know how aggressive Muslims can be. I dated one

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1 posted on 05/07/2014 4:46:31 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: left that other site

moozlim P1NG


2 posted on 05/07/2014 4:47:33 PM PDT by kingattax (America needs more real Americans.)
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To: Nachum
"I had no Idea how bad Islam was until I dated a Muslim…”

That's 'cause you're stupid.

3 posted on 05/07/2014 4:50:32 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Nachum

Speaking from personal experiece as a woman......I find them repulsive.


4 posted on 05/07/2014 4:54:21 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Steely Tom

“message to self, do not date muslims”


5 posted on 05/07/2014 4:55:08 PM PDT by dontreadthis
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To: Steely Tom

I did not know lions liked to eat Zebra, said the cow.


6 posted on 05/07/2014 4:56:57 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Steely Tom

More likely she was lied to. Here parents, teachers, professors, president, etc. all so desparate to show tolerence were perfectly willing to sacrifice her life for their ideology. They clipped her wings before pushing her out of the nest. You don’t have to be stupid to learn hard lessons.


7 posted on 05/07/2014 4:57:47 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I do not understand what does not register with some women in being attracted to anything muslim. I could understand a shallow latino macho boy cutes to an extent, but sour milk face muslims? Wtf.


8 posted on 05/07/2014 4:58:57 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Steely Tom

She’s not stupid and we need to stop condemning those who see the light. That will only push them back.

Our children are faced with daily doses of propaganda about Islam in every facet. Unless a child is fortunate enough to have a thinking parent the child is lost. That doesn’t make the child stupid, it makes them ignorant and needful of true salvation.


9 posted on 05/07/2014 5:03:01 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steely Tom

I think ignorant is called for, but stupid is a little cruel. I have the absolutely lowest opinion of Muslims who remain Muslims. I view them as evil, base, violent, and as serial, unrepentant liars. I do not and cannot trust them. Not until they condemn their slavery to Satan/Allah.

But I worked with them for eight years and studied them for over 25 years.

In the US, they teach the opposite about Islam as they do in all western countries.

Well, if no one teaches young people what is evil, the chance that someone will get invloved with it is pretty high.

I am happy that this girl seems to have learned a lesson and that she will likely help others avoid a similar fate.


10 posted on 05/07/2014 5:04:34 PM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: lavaroise

We’re talking about American women here...
Who do they vote for?
Just sayin...


11 posted on 05/07/2014 5:04:49 PM PDT by polymuser
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To: lavaroise

Because devout Muslims are seen as true to their faith. They have ‘morals’ and discipline.

Western men have failed miserably in being strong and living their faith, if they have any faith. Unless a woman realizes the truth of how violent they are she will buy it.

I’ve had this discussion with women in the office.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 5:05:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Every woman i know who got involved with a Muslim was a liberal.

I say Let ‘em crash.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 5:06:16 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Nachum

Here’s our comparison of Islam vs. Christianity:

http://www.faithfacts.org/world-religions-and-theology/christianity-vs.-islam


14 posted on 05/07/2014 5:08:08 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: Nachum
I realized that Islam created people who are ignorant, dependent and selfish. I started to slowly realize that I was dating a massive manipulator. His logic made no sense to me. I couldn’t question Muhammad or Allah, and when I did, he would go ballistic.

At times he was very sweet and kind but I felt like Islam limited his mind. He was afraid to make his own choices. Everything was a sin. I use to believe women who covered themselves were very committed and loving to their religion and happy. Many of the things you have said really has helped me move on. You have convinced me to the point in which I truly believe Islam IS a cult. I use to be naive and defend Islam because of all the “Stereotype”.

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15 posted on 05/07/2014 5:09:07 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lavaroise
Arab men treat women like gold while they are dating them. I never dated a Muslim, but the Arab Christians I have know are just about as bad.

Once you marry them, everything changes. No deal with an Arab is ever final, ever.

I was not dumb enough to marry one. For the record.

16 posted on 05/07/2014 5:10:03 PM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Nachum

The Lord’s Work. And I don’t say this lightly...in fact, I’ve never said (or written) this.

Even so, until WESTERN MEN can get to the point of understanding what attracts Western women to Muslim men, they will NEVER be able to deal with the problem.

To put it simply, women, all women, want REAL MEN, not the Metrosexual types that seem to pop out from everyone I work with, except me (my kids know how to use a gun, and more).

Until we start raising kids PROPERLY, we will continue to see our young women, some really good-looking, wind up with Muslim men. Watch the movie “Not Without My Daughter” and you’ll get the point.


17 posted on 05/07/2014 5:12:38 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Popman

The grammar in that letter was appalling, and yet she is doing a college degree? Do they let any yahoo in to study for a degree these days?


18 posted on 05/07/2014 5:18:21 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Nachum
A short excerpt from the letter sent to Pamela:And that is why there will N.E.V.E.R. be peace in the Mideast until Jesus returns.

Give it up John F'n Skerry.

19 posted on 05/07/2014 5:18:23 PM PDT by upchuck (Support ABLE, the Anybody But Lindsey Effort. Yes, we are the ABLE!!)
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To: lavaroise

From personal observation

He considers her a heck of a trophy if he can marry her, more so if he can convert her. It is like the black kids who want to seduce a blonde girl for bragging rights, but the domination is permanent.
End result - he lays on the charm and promises thickly. He seems like the nicest, most considerate guy out of the bunch.

Modern men too often come across as eager for a one night stand, make a baby and leave her or otherwise fail to commit. There are girls attracted to a man who says I will marry you for life, I want you to be a stay at home mom with three kids.The feminists drove the American man who wants a stay at home wife into the corner, calling him a domineering patriarchy evil */?!
End result - girls who want the old fashioned marriage model think they have to marry a foreigner. What she doesn’t realize is the freedom and humanity she will lose.

She thinks he’s here to escape that bad life and liberalize. She doesn’t understand that he’ll probably become more conservative when they have kids, especially under pressure by family to make sure the grandkids in America are true Muslims.
The guy who is secularized in college may become more radical than his siblings in Lahore or Dubai in order to retain his identity as a Muslim head of household.
End result - marriage and kids makes him the opposite of what attracted her to him.


20 posted on 05/07/2014 5:19:38 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: BobL
I say Amen! I talked a woman (a smart woman) out of a relationship with an Arab man. He was marginally Christian, allegedly. I suspect he was a muslim, lying about it. Daughters need daddies. Good daddies that show then how men should behave.
21 posted on 05/07/2014 5:22:53 PM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: tbw2

Dead on!


22 posted on 05/07/2014 5:24:36 PM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: AppyPappy

Do you want to win the war or feel good about telling them “I told you so”?


23 posted on 05/07/2014 5:25:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Steely Tom
That's 'cause you're stupid.

immensely... she sounds stupid throughout her entire letter...

24 posted on 05/07/2014 5:27:20 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
The grammar in that letter was appalling, and yet she is doing a college degree? Do they let any yahoo in to study for a degree these days?

even the tone was childish... immature... i agree with the FReeper who said she is stupid...

25 posted on 05/07/2014 5:29:50 PM PDT by latina4dubya (when i have money i buy books... if i have anything left, i buy 6-inch heels and a bottle of wine...)
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To: Nachum

I dated a young woman that had dated a Muslim during my college years, he beat her until she finally had him arrested.


26 posted on 05/07/2014 5:31:17 PM PDT by struggle
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To: struggle

Some people on here think that public schools are actually teaching grammar and spelling. LOL


27 posted on 05/07/2014 5:37:28 PM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: AppyPappy
He agrees.

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28 posted on 05/07/2014 5:48:19 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Nachum

Islam sucks..


29 posted on 05/07/2014 6:03:04 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Steely Tom

Not to know how bad islam is tells me that I would never want to date her. Very stup


30 posted on 05/07/2014 6:07:02 PM PDT by Carry me back
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To: Steely Tom

Sheesh.

Does one has to debase oneself and date a muzzie before realizing how evil they are?

Aren’t there any easier ways to come to that conclusion?

Believe me when I say that the Muslims who flew those airplanes into the WTC, the Pentagon and who crashed in PA are not the only evil ones.

Islam is NOT a ROP!! (Sorry GW)


31 posted on 05/07/2014 6:07:20 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Nachum

Ever notice during times of crisis and public sorrow or mourning, churches of all denominations, as well as Synagogues and and even a local Wat, post messages on their signs outside the buildings. 911, Sandy, Floods, etc, theses places of worship publicly pray for those affected. None of the mosques I have lived near have out those types of signs up..


32 posted on 05/07/2014 6:07:28 PM PDT by cardinal4
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To: RightOnTheBorder

I agree with you. She apparently has learned her lesson well. Good for her; good for finding Pam Geller. I only met Geller once but she’s not only a very attractive NYC lady, she’s very kind as well.


33 posted on 05/07/2014 6:10:05 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: latina4dubya

Sounded to me like English was her second language....


34 posted on 05/07/2014 6:16:35 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: struggle

That young woman should also be arrested — for being stupid.


35 posted on 05/07/2014 6:17:58 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: tbw2

My friend was dating a guy who was a “moderate” Muslim, originally from Morocco. He was very charming at first. Then she got pregnant, and he actually married her. While she was engaged, but not yet married, he took her to Morocco to meet his parents. I was scared for her life!. She ended up having another son with him before they divorced. Fortunately, she gave him “sons”. He treated her like dirt and verbally abused her constantly. To add insult to injury, HE filed for spousal support from HER! Their shared custody agreement is a nightmare. He’s doing the same thing with his current fiancee.


36 posted on 05/07/2014 6:19:11 PM PDT by toothfairy86
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To: lavaroise

They must enjoy them gawking at their bodies (which I experienced when working out in gymns in the UK). Frankly, I found it creepy....especially when they would follow me to the changing room. I found them (when I was younger) to be absolute arrogant pigs.


37 posted on 05/07/2014 6:25:21 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Nachum

George Clooney is “marrying” a muslim. A women who is trying to get a mass murderer released from prison.

She is representing Gaddafi’s spy chief who supervised torture and hangings in Libya and is wanted for questioning over Lockerbie bombing. He killed over 1200 people.

They will have a wonderful marriage....


38 posted on 05/07/2014 6:31:53 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: the anti-mahdi

It may be cruel, but it is a fact. Had this girl been forced to date this dude sight unseen, then yes, it may be cruel. But dating takes time, and once she decided to do so, she could have just as easily read up on just a bit, and starting putting the pieces together. She dated this coward for 3 years. How much time is needed for her to figger this out before she can be appropriately called “stupid”?


39 posted on 05/07/2014 6:34:29 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: Nachum

I wonder how she got the smell out. If she did at all.


40 posted on 05/07/2014 6:37:57 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

The grammar in that letter was appalling, and yet she is doing a college degree?
_______________

earning?


41 posted on 05/07/2014 6:46:32 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: AppyPappy

42 posted on 05/07/2014 6:47:01 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Nachum
Money quote from the comments section:

Devout Muslims are snakes and moderate Muslims are the grass.

43 posted on 05/07/2014 6:57:42 PM PDT by Lizavetta
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To: Nachum

She said Islam “creates people who are ignorant, dependent and selfish.”

Islam also ATTRACTS people who are ignorant, dependent and selfish.


44 posted on 05/07/2014 7:09:11 PM PDT by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: driftdiver
Because devout Muslims are seen as true to their faith. They have ‘morals’ and discipline.

Western men have failed miserably in being strong and living their faith, if they have any faith. Unless a woman realizes the truth of how violent they are she will buy it.

Add in the public school anti-Christian brainwashing that's been going on for decades and yeah, this is pretty much the reason. Many women see devout Muslim men as the newest version of what was once commonplace in the Western world. The fact that it has a foreign, exotic element probably blinds them to the ugly realities.

You'd think that the occasional televised beheading would be enough to make the ladies wary, but...

45 posted on 05/07/2014 7:50:08 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: latina4dubya
Do they let any yahoo in to study for a degree these days?

Yes. Most state university systems have an open admissions policy, usually not to all institutions within the system, but to some, meaning anyone with a high school diploma from a high school in that state can attend some college or university. (And you doubtless have a sense of how debased K-12 education has become so that the high school diploma requirement does not keep yahoos out.) And college and university administrators pressure their faculty to "improve retention" with the effect of lowering standards, so lots of yahoos actually manage to get B.A.s (or B.S.s in soft disciplines like psychology).

46 posted on 05/07/2014 7:54:24 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: minnesota_bound

If that marriage to be isn’t the biggest flipping joke, I’m Mother Theresa!

That puck is going to run for office, I guarantee it. He’s convinced himself he’s a genius and his puke friends Affleck and that idiot Matt Damon are surely goading him.


47 posted on 05/07/2014 9:00:32 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Nachum
Any woman who even thinks of dating a Muslim must watch this movie first


48 posted on 05/07/2014 9:08:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Chickensoup

If she receives a degree in these circumstances, I’d hesitate to say it was earned.


49 posted on 05/08/2014 12:20:45 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: dontreadthis
Don't date muslims, or go to muslim doctors, or in general, have anything to do with muslims. Show you displeasure at viewing a stupid muslim woman covered up like a mummy...they refuse to assimilate in this country except to make the kind of money they can only make in this country.
50 posted on 05/08/2014 1:28:04 AM PDT by itssme
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