Ukrainians form militias to defend nation against chaos

Kyiv Post ^ | May 7, 2014, 11:13 p.m. | Mark Rachkevych

[DTA]

>>>>Stalin starved to death 5 to 7 million ethnic Ukrainians on the 30's as part of the Holodomor. The Nazis killed 3 million ethnic Ukrainians during WWII as part Generalplan Ost.Pretty sick stuff.

Yet you seem to ignore all that history.<<<<<

I don't. Communists who invaded Russia in 1917 murdered tens of millions of Russians 1917-1940. Among the Politburo members there were almost no Russians. Stalin was Georgian.

Lazer Kaganovich, the man who masterminded Holodomor you mentioned was not an ethnic Russian. He murdered 6 million, just like Himmler.

Germans murdered 3 million in Ukraine. But there were Ukraininans who helped them murder fellow Ukrainians, ethnic Jews, Russians and Poles.

Galician Waffen SS is hailed by many in Western Ukraine for their crimes. Imagine hailing other Waffen SS in Germany or other Western European country, for now at least.

I recall the quip when Germans complained that Austrians want to depict Hitler as German and Bach as an Austrian.

Ditto here. Russians are accused for the crimes committed by the other ethnicities.

So, who is ignoring the history?

[DTA]

Holodomor was masterminded by Lazer Kaganovich,who was not an ethnic Russian, in the Politburo devoid of Russians, led by the Georgian nicknamed The iron One (Stalin)

So, how exactly "Russians" deliberately starvated millions of Ukraininans (of whom many were actually ethnicRussians)?

You say: "The casualties of a running street battle are not a genocide.".

Well, US-NATO "justice" says otherwise. The casualties of Muslim fighters in Srebrenica were declared "Genocide" by U.S. sponsored ICTY kangaroo court.

If several thousand KIA combattants are genocide, several hundred unarmed civilians are genocide as well.

You can not have it both ways.

[FreeReign]

Russians are accused for the crimes committed by the other ethnicities.

You actually think that Stalin acted alone? Of course he didn't.

So, who is ignoring the history?

You are.

[DTA]

You deserve Duranty Award for factual reporting.

[FreeReign]

You deserve Duranty Award for factual reporting.

No you deserve the Duranty Award for your denial that Russians were involved in the Holodomor.

[Zhang Fei]

Holodomor was masterminded by Lazer Kaganovich,who was not an ethnic Russian, in the Politburo devoid of Russians, led by the Georgian nicknamed The iron One (Stalin) So, how exactly "Russians" deliberately starvated millions of Ukraininans (of whom many were actually ethnicRussians)?

Hitler was Austrian. Napoleon was Corsican. Did Kaganovich and Stalin give their orders in Hebrew and Georgian, respectively, in the name of Israel and Georgia? Who carried out their orders? Spare us the nonsense about Russian innocence. Ordinary Americans were horrified by the Waco massacre. Ordinary Russians exulted at the deaths of millions of Ukrainian "class enemies". Heck, like you, they still call them Nazis. Today's Russian attitudes are basically no different from that of Nazi Germany - the whole attitude is the Russian equivalent of Deutschland über alles, with Russia in the role of main victim, and bloody revenge and territorial conquest as the salve for mythical historical wrongs suffered by Russia, the largest empire in existence.

[caww]

There are many who have their History Twisted unfortunately.

As to the pregnant woman killed...Kiev Gov.denied it even happened....But she was working over holiday cleaning offices, watering flowers etc.....She was strangled with an electric wire found on the floor next to her body, and flower pot toppled near her body.

Here is the video of her screams for help heard over the crowd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvnLsshOJ18

. .....Soon after a Yellow and blue flag was draped out the window next to hers, as the crowd below cheered.

Video of Pro-Kiev thugs beating people who jumped out burning Trade Union building in Odessa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3IzeJegskI

Suspected killer of pregnant woman in Odessa, here ,same coat and hat...standing next to guy on the ground.

[GeronL]

regurgitating Russian propaganda is not performance art

better to trust neither side

[fabian]

God bless them!

[caww]

I appreciated your concern...though there is propaganda on both sides certain happenings are proving true as the facts and evidence come in.

Just as many bodies found in the fire had gun shot wounds, and the inside of the building peppered with gunshot holes are showing that the large group of people shown entering a side entrance had indeed gone into the building before the fire erupted out of control.

Also discovered now that many bodies had only their upper extremities burned (photos and autopsies reveal) clothes and lower extremities in tack, and these bodies were found where the fire itself had not reached. It’s believed they were doused with flammable liquid and set on fire.

In Egypt similar events happened with burned bodies, only the Islamists blamed the military for setting the fires, when in fact the bodies found had been killed prior, doused with flammable liquid and set on fire in order to cover the killings and make it look like other than what it was.

I also think we need to remember in situations as these protests etc. there is a criminal element who joins themselves to these protesters....masks are everywhere now...and easy for them to hide themselves among the many.

I understand the new Police Chief is determined to find those who were responsible...and there are videos of arrests made already.

[veracious]

Both the Nazis and the Communists slaughtered millions of humans, however, the commies killed more than anyone in history. Therefore, claims that either side is the bad guys in Ukraine is very suspect.

Note that the Nazis and other fascist regimes arose, in WWII, as seemingly the only counter to the commies taking over the nations of the world.

[Laissez-faire capitalist]

The MSM has largely said that Boko Haram are “insurgents” or “militants” not terrorists, at least that seems to be the two words used far more than other words like “terrorist” to desribe them.

In Iraq, the MSM called them “insurgents” the Bush administration called them “terrorists.”

But Obama says that an act of terrorism is “a man-caused disaster.” So, naturally the WH would say that terrorists are “men who cause disasters.”

Are Right Sector, Svoboda, Cossacks, Takfiri fighters and others in Ukraine “terrorists” or “fascists”?

Are the Ukrainians that are anti-Kiev “terrorists” or are they “insurgents” or “dissidents”?

[FBD]

Civil War is pretty messy and ugly . You might want to read up on what happened in our own. Thousands of innocent women and children burned out of their own homes by General Sherman. War crimes were committed by both sides. This is nothing new, and certainly nothing our own government hasn’t done. Wounded knee, trail of tears, etc.

http://listverse.com/2013/03/17/10-war-crimes-of-the-us-civil-war/

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Yep...there’s a few of them here.

[free_life]

A few facts for you.

Russia has invaded the Ukraine. The Ukraine has not invaded Russia.

The Ukraine is a nation recognized by the other nations of the world. It’s sovereignty and land has been violated by Russia.

Russians have killed hundreds of millions of people throughout history including other Russians.

If the 20% of people in the Ukraine want to live in Russia, let them pack their bags and move to Russia.

[Zhang Fei]

Well, US-NATO "justice" says otherwise. The casualties of Muslim fighters in Srebrenica were declared "Genocide" by U.S. sponsored ICTY kangaroo court. If several thousand KIA combattants are genocide, several hundred unarmed civilians are genocide as well. You can not have it both ways.

Nothing in Yugoslavia can be termed a genocide. Clinton was doing his wag the dog thing over Yugoslavia to distract attention from Monica Lewinsky. The US should never have gotten involved directly, but Clinton had the megaphone, and he whined incessantly (and mythically, as it turns out) about hundreds of thousands of massacred Bosnians. However misbegotten that intervention though, the US never did annex any part of Yugoslavia. Can't say the same about Russia's intentions vis-a-vis Ukraine.

[SunkenCiv]

> The video shows men armed with Kalashnikov rifles and clad in black ninja outfits dismantling a Kremlin-backed roadblock near Krasnoarmiysk in western Donetsk Oblast.

Thanks Zhang Fei.

[Thunder90]

I’m sorry that you morn the deaths of communists who had it coming.

[DuncanWaring]

Ping.