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North American Union: US & Canada in play?
The Prince Arthur Herald ^ | April 30, 2014 | Jack Maggiore

Posted on 05/07/2014 6:35:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Diane Francis, National Post Editor-at-Large and Bestselling Author of Merger of the Century, toyed with the idea of merging the US and Canada. In fact, Ms. Francis states that “a merger between the two countries isn’t just desirable but inevitable”. She goes on to say that the US and Canada are culturally compatible on all fronts from lifestyles, to values, and aspirations.

According to Ms. Francis, over the last several decades, “Canada has become more like America and America more like Canada”. For instance, the US has become more progressive on civil, gay, and women’s rights; and even recently universal health care. On the Canadian side, we have contemplated a hybrid health care system with more private sector elements.

If the idea seems a bit farfetched, consider the following. After the birth of NAFTA and the EU (created by the Maastricht Treaty) there was speculation about the formation of a North American Union between (Canada-US). By 2005 discussions were already on their way by US officials regarding the best approach to North American integration between the US and Canada. It was noted that many Canadian economists supported the ambitious goals of a single market like that of the EU.

As of March ‘05, North American leaders founded the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America (SPP). Set up to provide greater cooperation on security and economic issue. In May, the Task Force published a report praising the SPP initiative and pushing for greater economic integration by 2010.

The report also stipulated that the so-called “merger initiative” should not target a grand scheme of confederation or union; and most importantly did not suggest a supranational government or a common currency/monetary policy. The focus was mainly on developing a North American common market and security perimeter (SPP initiative ended in ‘09; however most of the working groups set up under SPP remain active).

Touching upon fiscal and monetary policy, governing power should remain in each respective country. Likewise, the Canadian Department of Finance strongly opposes the creation of a common currency with the US, as did Jim Flaherty. Some reasons revolve around autonomy loss in the US and Canada respectively, over the likes of setting interest rates and managing the currency itself, among others.

Lending from the EU, what began as a pure economic union in 1958 has evolved into an organization spanning across a multitude of policy areas, from development aid to the environment. As a result, the EU has delivered half a century of peace, stability and prosperity.

With the abolishment of borders, EU members can travel freely throughout most of the continent; not to mention enhanced labour mobility. Another by-product is the development of huge resources ensuring Europeans may draw maximum benefits and influence.

Moreover, the EU’s main goal is to promote human rights both internally and around the world. For example, human dignity, freedom, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights, which are core values of the EU and North America alike.

The idea of a Canada-US integration may be gaining steam. From the humble beginnings of NAFTA led by Brian Mulroney and Ronald Reagan, to recently where Harper and Obama announced the Canada-US Regulatory Cooperation Council (RCC) designed to increase regulatory transparency and coordination which translates into a shared vision for perimeter security and economic trade.

Turning to defence arrangements, America and Canada are more intertwined than any other country. In 1958, both American and Canadian forces had cooperated on continental air defence within the framework of North American Aerospace Defence Command (NORAD). Canadians also supported the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, despite not directly supporting Iraq in ‘03.

At the same time, Canada and the US have the world’s largest trade relationship, with enormous goods and people flowing across the border. Since the 1987 Canada-US Free Trade Agreement, there are no tariffs on most goods passed between the two countries.

Testimonies on the idea are numerous. Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in a statement congratulating Barack Obama on his inauguration, stated that “The United States remains Canada’s most important ally, closest friend and largest trading partner and I look forward to working with President Obama and his administration as we build on this special relationship.” Whereas, President Barack Obama, speaking in Ottawa, Ontario at his first official international visit in February 19, 2009, said, “I love this country, we could not have a better friend and ally.”

In my view, as a number of think tanks such as the Wilson Center and C.D. Howe Institute contemplate the idea and, might I add, show support towards some form of union, it is important to note that the issue has been gaining more momentum south of the border where Hilary Clinton and Jeb Bush have sent Diane Francis complimentary letters thus far.

I am outright for a North American Union between Canada and the US, with some exceptions. I believe the North American Union should be executed in increments and should refrain from achieving any form of political/monetary union from the get go, and furthermore if ever. With that being said, economic and national security union is a must, here is why.

Firstly, by 2030, the BRICs may overtake G7 nations in economic size. The G7 might not catch up because of debt constraints, demographics, and most disturbing is our resistance to change which results in an inability to recognize and counteract the strategies of rivals like China and Russia.

Secondly, on the resource front, the US would be born-again, acquiring a well-educated, relatively law-abiding addition of 35M people, not to mention the immense/untapped natural resources Canada possesses. The synergy potential is huge, and likewise if Canada and the US were corporations they would of merged (at least in economic/border terms) a long time ago. Therefore, in brief, the US brings enormous capital and the world’s strongest military; whereas Canada has vast reserves of undeveloped resources. Remember I am not proposing that Canada become the 51st state.

Lastly, as Canadians we must remember that in order to have a future say and weight on worldwide issues, we must remain and become more dynamic. This means, we must adapt as a nation to the prevailing environment and outsmart our rivals. We must not adopt the status quo in light of China and Russia’s rise to power otherwise we risk getting left behind to the tune of Portugal and Greece.

Challenges in detail, first with Canada: our small, aging population and relatively small economy, lacks resources to develop and defend its enormous real estate. Recently, in a series of buyout attempts and transactions, China has targeted Canada’s resources and empty landmass. Moreover, in 2007, Russia used a small submarine to symbolically plant its flag on the ocean floor beneath the North Pole and underscore its claim to a large swath of the resource-rich Arctic. Russian President Vladimir Putin has been pushing the UN to affirm his claims to the region. This squeezes North America’s control over resources/economic development and puts us on our knees to Russia like Eastern Europe and Germany with over 60% reliance on Russian oil & gas.

On the US side, challenges in creating jobs for its relatively young population, compete for markets, resources and Arctic access with the aggressive rivals like China and Russia. IMF forecasted that by 2018, China’s economy will be larger than the US. The US needs a catalyst to counteract such large and emerging rivals. In my opinion, Canada is definitely it. Canadians and Americans must remember that the Europeans pulled off something far more dramatic, uniting populations that shared no language and had slaughtered one another for centuries.

According to polls; In 2011, a poll by Harris/Decima showed that 65% of Canadians backed greater integration with the U.S. and supported a plan to eliminate the border by blending US and Canadian customs, immigration, security and law enforcement efforts. Those who oppose such integration are on the wrong side of history. Therefore, serious discussion of integration should be a top priority for both the US and Canada alike.

How all of this could play out is an interesting question. If Canada and the US join forces, the North American Union economy would be larger than the EU with a land mass that triumphs South America. The union would be at the forefront in energy, minerals, water, land, and technology; all of it protected by joint US-Canadian military. Size matters and will even more so going forward.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: canada; eu; naunion; norad; northamerica

1 posted on 05/07/2014 6:35:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOL! After all, look how well the EU is working out! Buffoons.


2 posted on 05/07/2014 6:37:53 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stupid idea


3 posted on 05/07/2014 6:40:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Well they're saying pretty much the same things.

Van Rompuy: If The Public Doesn't Want EU Expansion, 'We Do It Anyway'
4 posted on 05/07/2014 6:41:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: All

No worries, this idea has zero traction in Canada. I doubt that it would even make it to 10% approval. If so, it’s no more than twice as popular as Obama.


5 posted on 05/07/2014 6:44:47 PM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: cripplecreek

Unreal. Isn’t it. With the debt we’re running up, Canada would be wise to say, “No thanks.”


6 posted on 05/07/2014 6:45:15 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I do like the idea of merging with the country that once burned Washington D.C. down...


7 posted on 05/07/2014 6:45:18 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Deconstruction of the United States of America. International Socialists and U.S.A.-United Socialists of America. Enemies foreign, enemies domestic.


8 posted on 05/07/2014 6:47:44 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: GeronL
Agreed. Canadian identity is founded on not being American. English Canada was essentially founded by American Loyalists who fled the aftermath of the American War for Independence. Their old national anthem, The Maple Leaf Forever, celebrates the British victory against the Americans in the War of 1812. The most conservative Canadians, the ones to whom conservative Americans would be sympathetic, have a strong attachment to their British roots and the monarchy we can never share.

North is north, and south is south, and never the twain shall meet.

9 posted on 05/07/2014 6:49:29 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

Bump


10 posted on 05/07/2014 6:50:39 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If Canada wants to merge with the US, it should apply for statehood. Canada would be our second largest state in population, after California, if it were to be admitted to the union.


11 posted on 05/07/2014 6:52:01 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: Fiji Hill

I REMEMBER MY HERO PAT BUCHANNAN ADVOCATED making England our 51’st state. More cream in the coffee. I could see the same with Canada. They are TEACHABLE: single payer healthcare notwithstanding. Canada may have something better than energy that we can use; water.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 6:57:32 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Fiji Hill

They probably wouldn’t do it that way. I imagine each province would be a separate state. In a discussion about the Philippines achieving statehood, each province there was also looked at as a state.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 6:57:40 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Wallace T.

I have no attachment to any monarchy.

This country was founded by vikings heh.


14 posted on 05/07/2014 7:03:14 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Fiji Hill
If Canada wants to merge with the US, it should apply for statehood. Canada would be our second largest state in population, after California, if it were to be admitted to the union.

I'm thinking in terms of a merger of New England and New York (7 states in total) into a gigantic superstate, to be replaced by 6 new Canadian states. The Canadian right is a lot like moderate Democrats, so this would be the only solution that did not tilt the Senate too far towards the Dems. In the House, the GOP would lose a lot of seats.

15 posted on 05/07/2014 7:04:00 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I really don’t like the author of this article. Such megalomania. Its hard enough living in the USA. Furthemore, you know these meglomaniacs are only interested in a union of the USA and canada as a first step toward a greater north american union. that’s what the amnesty stuff is about. Even the north american union stuff is a stepping stone on the way to a new world union. that union would be a further step to one world government.

Think of the taxes an unaccountable one world government could levy.

People will want to leave the planet earth asap.


16 posted on 05/07/2014 7:04:44 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: mrsmith

Those were limeys. These are limey lites.
OK, tact ...... Dream on squareheads!


17 posted on 05/07/2014 7:05:04 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, Quebec wouldn’t be wild about it, they’re not wild about being part of Canada. I could see the four conservative western provinces joining us as states - BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba but the Demos would never allow eight new Republican senators.


18 posted on 05/07/2014 7:06:09 PM PDT by laconic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rather, I see a fracturing and realigning with everything sliced and shuffled.


19 posted on 05/07/2014 7:20:54 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: ckilmer
It would be bad for both sides. Americans would lose the Bill of Rights and Canadians would have to stop ending every sentence with "eh?"

I've seen predictions of this type since I was a kid...it will never happen.

20 posted on 05/07/2014 7:22:00 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: tumblindice

Canadians burned it, of course they were British subjects at the time.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 7:31:08 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The GAME MUST continue... until it's DONE..
UNless the elite political class is pulled down...
click for VIDEO--


22 posted on 05/07/2014 7:32:02 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ON THE OTHERHAND;

Alaska should invade and annex British Columbia..

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23 posted on 05/07/2014 7:34:09 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
“Canada may have something better than energy that we can use; water.”

Great point. Drinkable water will be a major issue sometime in the future I understand.

Is this why GWB was intent on signing the NAU back in the mid 90’s I wonder. If so, why was water and energy not cited as potential benefits for us?

24 posted on 05/07/2014 7:41:42 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think Canadians would balk at Article IV, Section 4 of the Constitution: “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government . . . .”


25 posted on 05/07/2014 7:50:20 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My mother’s family is from Canada and I love both the U.S. and Canada.

That said, I want the countries to remain separate for many reasons.


26 posted on 05/07/2014 7:54:47 PM PDT by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Cal will eventually have to build desalination plants.

However, you all are missing the point of this article. No one is proposing a joint US, Canadian country. What they are proposing is an expansion of NAFTA. This would mean that you would not need a passport to travel between our two countries. They would also change interstate commerce laws so that trucks could operate in both countries like they do between US states. It would eliminate many of the customs requirements between shipping goods across the border. There are still duties on some items like lumber. No one is proposing making the provinces into states. No one is proposing eliminating the Loonie. A free trade, no international border crossing zone is what the article is proposing.


27 posted on 05/07/2014 8:49:27 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

I was responding to what post #12 was saying, not the article.


28 posted on 05/07/2014 8:55:29 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: woodbutcher1963
Until 9-11, you didn't need a passport to go to Canada or return. Several of the 9-11 hijackers first traveled by ferry from Canada to Maine, then went on to Logan Airport in Boston for their date with infamy. The absence of border controls between the two countries could open both to illegal aliens, us from Asia, them from Latin America. Nothing against Canada, but both nations gave been separate for over two centuries and should remain so. We do not need incremental union through an open border and the like.
29 posted on 05/07/2014 9:26:10 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

Didn’t happen.

9-11 hijackers first traveled by ferry from Canada to Maine = urban myth .


30 posted on 05/08/2014 3:51:11 AM PDT by Snowyman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The NAU lives! This is the game they have in mind. Mexico is also included.


31 posted on 05/08/2014 3:56:00 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Because Canadians get to see such gems as Detroit and Buffalo up close, they have a lot of incentive to reject this idea. However, if they don’t do something, they’ll simply end up unified with India.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 4:06:26 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Wallace T.

Understood, I do not necessarily agree with the proposal on an open border. However, I do think there are many regulations on commerce between US/Canada that could be relaxed to make international trade less expensive.


33 posted on 05/08/2014 5:51:55 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is one big consideration, which needs to be focused on now and always.

The second amendment.

Canada needs to accept America’s rights.

Unequivocally.


34 posted on 05/08/2014 5:57:27 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: MichaelCorleone

I was addressing the group generally, nothing personal.

However, like always so many of us FReepers read the headline and make a comment prior to reading the entire article. Myself included. The article does not promote the idea of making the provinces of Canada US states # 51-63. Just like the EU does not alter the independence of Germany and France.

If I was one of 35 million Canadians, I certainly would not want any part of our 16 TRILLION dollar debt.

As far as water in the SW US, the day is coming when San Diego, LA, etc, will need to build desalination plants along their Pacific coast. There just is not enough water in the Colorado River to supply drinking water and water for the agriculture in the central valley. Therefore, just like Saudi Arabia, California will need to build plants to take the salt out of the sea water. The only companies that will not like that are the rock salt mines in NM and UT.

FYI, Saudi Arabia basically gives away the sea salt they extract from the water because they produce so much. Our state of NH highway department buys it by the boatload delivered to Portsmouth, NH for winter road salt. They literally ship it half way around the world and it is still cheaper than the rock salt dug out of the ground in NY State 300 miles away.


35 posted on 05/08/2014 6:07:15 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Wallace T.

Actually, they flew into Portland, ME international airport and then flew into Logan. They were cleared by US Customs in ME.

The fact is they could have flown into Canada and easily WALKED across the VT, NH or ME border if they really wanted to. The VT, NH, Canada border is a 100 yard open strip of land where they have removed the trees. There are no guard shacks that can see every place on the border. Also, there are several lakes, rivers that are on the border. There are 1000’s of places to easily cross undetected.

The show “Homeland” had an episode where an Iranian flew into Montreal and rented a car. He left his rental car in Canada walked across and was picked up in one of the small VT border towns by a friend. This would be very easy to accomplish and not far fetched at all.


36 posted on 05/08/2014 6:22:43 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963; Snowyman
From what Wikipedia and 9-11 memorial sites indicate, it doesn't appear that any of the hijackers started out in Canada. They probably used the Portland airport because, even pre 9-11, controls would have been more lax there than at Logan Airport. I remembered that detail from the first reports 13 years ago.

While the Canadian border does not have the illegal immigrant and drug trafficking issues the Mexican border has, it sounds like better surveillance is needed, perhaps the "virtual fence" that Homeland Security has mentioned for the U.S.-Mexican border.

37 posted on 05/08/2014 6:56:55 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: woodbutcher1963
I've been in the Logan airport but wouldn't think there were direct flights from Maine to a small town in Utah.

I wonder about Glacier National Park. There is a Canadian park just across the border--do they check people on the trail at the border?

38 posted on 05/08/2014 7:19:18 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

“I’ve been in the Logan airport but wouldn’t think there were direct flights from Maine to a small town in Utah.”

Maine to Utah? What are you talking about?


39 posted on 05/08/2014 12:12:42 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Wallace T.

Mohamed Atta and some other guy started out in Portland, ME.
They may have already been in the country. However, they definitely went through security at the Portland Airport before they flew to Boston Logan.

There are hundreds of lakes, rivers on the US/Canadian border. It is impossible to monitor all of them. Just the Lake of the Woods to Lake Superior on the MN/ONT border has millions of acres of woods, lakes and rivers/streams. Take a look at a map.

The only security points are at road crossings. They actually direct the snowmobilers to these road/border customs crossings.


40 posted on 05/08/2014 12:21:53 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Wallace T.

Also, there has been trafficking across the US/Canadian border ever since Prohibition. Joe Kennedy got rich that way.

When I grew up in WNY they were always catching cigarette smugglers bringing smokes across one way or the other.

Drugs are smuggled in from Canada. It is just not as big of an issue as it is from Mexico.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 12:26:09 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Logan, Utah...county seat of Cache County...home of Utah State University. Flew there once for a job interview.


42 posted on 05/08/2014 1:15:49 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Boston Logan International Airport.


43 posted on 05/09/2014 5:41:51 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Yes, I know...I’ve been in the other Logan Airport...the one whose lax security allowed the 9/11 hijackers to board their planes.


44 posted on 05/09/2014 10:17:15 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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