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California Mileage Tax Would Charge Drivers Based on Distance Driven
http://www.nbclosangeles.com ^ | may 6, 2014 | Jodi Hernandez and Chris Roberts

Posted on 05/07/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by lowbridge

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1 posted on 05/07/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by lowbridge
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To: lowbridge

People are gonna start turning their odometers back ...


2 posted on 05/07/2014 9:50:12 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: lowbridge

As I get older, I wonder how people keep falling for this tactic. They will take away the tax and charge by the mile, and then, when they need more money, they will bring back the gas tax but keep the per mile fee.

Yawn.


3 posted on 05/07/2014 9:54:27 PM PDT by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: lowbridge
Seems to me that some sort of GPS based meter would be in every registered California car. Being a Nevada resident and having my car registered in Nevada I could pop over to California and get some tax free gas. If a car registered drove in another state would they still be dinged for the mileage?

CC

4 posted on 05/07/2014 9:55:28 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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>> there’s not nearly enough money available

There will never be enough money for corrupt states and municipalities.


5 posted on 05/07/2014 9:57:03 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: lowbridge
Seems to me that some sort of GPS based meter would be in every registered California car. Being a Nevada resident and having my car registered in Nevada I could pop over to California and get some tax free gas. If a car registered drove in another state would they still be dinged for the mileage?

CC

6 posted on 05/07/2014 9:59:09 PM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: lowbridge

Thought you could save money with a more fuel efficient vehicle? Gotcha!


7 posted on 05/07/2014 9:59:33 PM PDT by BinaryBoy ("Immigration Reform" is Ballot Stuffing)
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To: Gene Eric

Somebody has to pay for all those Mexicans.


8 posted on 05/07/2014 9:59:47 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Lmo56
Yeah....and my Odometer got stuck...

They tried this in Germany a while back...trying to tax freight haulers transiting Germany...spent multimillion's of Euros on software and satellite hardware for tracking....all wasted.

9 posted on 05/07/2014 10:01:17 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: icwhatudo

I didn’t bother reading the article. Did someone really say they would only charge for mileage and not have the gas tax as well? I can’t imagine anyone admitting to stopping a tax, especially a democrat. How many hybrids in CA using less fuel per mile than normal vehicles? or total electric cars using no fuel? This idea is but one solution, I’ve heard others with more merit, like turning over most of the Federal gas tax to block grants to the States for maintenance. The Fed’s keeping enough to maintain the Interstate System.


10 posted on 05/07/2014 10:02:49 PM PDT by wita
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To: lowbridge

If it’s 5 cents per mile, then you start getting screwed if you’re doing better than 52.9/5 = 10.5 MPG.

If I drive 24 miles in a 24 MPG car, that’s one gallon. That’s 52.9 cents of gas tax currently, or 24 x 5c = $1.20 in the proposed tax, for a car that is not very special at all.

Could this be right? A 40-MPG car, and there are plenty of them on the road, would pay $2.00 in tax for every gallon of gas instead of 52.9 cents?

The higher your MPG, the more you are screwed, it looks like. So much for trying to save a buck on gas and giving the environment a break.


11 posted on 05/07/2014 10:04:57 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: wita; icwhatudo

Well, fourth sentence in and I failed the reading test.


12 posted on 05/07/2014 10:05:54 PM PDT by wita
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To: lowbridge

So the liberals have finally figured out how to move all the peons out of the country side and into the Utopia of liberal controlled cities.


13 posted on 05/07/2014 10:06:53 PM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: lowbridge
The state gasoline tax of 52.9 cents per gallon could be replaced with a "miles driven fee" of $0.05 cents or so per mile driven, under state legislation proposed by a Bay Area lawmaker.

Those match at a mileage of 10.58 mpg. Since very few people have cars or trucks that are that bad, "replaced" actually means "hugely increased". My car gets about 25 mpg, so that would be the same as a gas tax of $1.25 per gallon, assuming that the gas tax is removed entirely. Being Kookifornia, I wouldn't bet on that.

14 posted on 05/07/2014 10:07:56 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: icwhatudo

Here is the problem. Cars are getting better mileage and thus paying less total tax. The tax at the pump is mostly used to repair roads.

As mileage continue to increase and as electric car use continues to expand, the situation gets worse.

The question is what do you propose as an alternative to the tax on miles driven?

At the federal level it is a bit different situation. However, there is movement towards the miles driven tax federally also.

At the federal level, complaints over the miles driven tax are justified because the new system undoes a very efficient tax system.

The federal excise tax is collected at the refinery and is about 98 percent efficient in tax collection. Meaning it does not take much administrative effort to collect.

The miles driven tax on the other hand costs about 25% of every tax dollar collected for administration. It is a complicated matter to track and tax all the cars vs collecting at the refinery.

So why would an efficient tax be traded for one that so inefficient. The answer is because no member of congress is willing to go on record raising the excise tax on gasoline.

The reason they are afraid to do that is because voters would get made at them. So along comes the complicated and wasteful method that does not require their vote.

Better for them, when they see you at rallies and meet-and-greets they can get your favor by saying they are against the federal miles driven tax and blame the Administration.


15 posted on 05/07/2014 10:08:23 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

they spend it on mass transit and bike trails and eco projects


16 posted on 05/07/2014 10:09:53 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: lowbridge

They can talk about this, but if they actually try and implement it, it will blow up in their faces.

Even the California LIV will wake up if you try to stick it to them directly. They don’t care as long as someone else is paying the bill, but stick it to them at your own peril.


17 posted on 05/07/2014 10:10:26 PM PDT by crusher2013
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To: lowbridge

Who said, You deserve the government you have, Alex?”


18 posted on 05/07/2014 10:10:30 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Lmo56
how do you turn back a digital odometer???
19 posted on 05/07/2014 10:12:16 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: lowbridge
This is sure to drive (get it?) a lot of tax-paying citizens out of the once-Golden State.

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20 posted on 05/07/2014 10:14:21 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: lowbridge

This is so BS. There is so much money in the road funds that they are working off of the interest being accrued. In fact I have heard repeatedly that CA pulls money out of the gas taxes to pay for many special interest projects that are suppose to be paid for out of the general funds.


21 posted on 05/07/2014 10:14:43 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (The more I know, the more I realize that how much more there is to learn.)
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To: Chode

with GPS they can track how many miles you drive and where you go etc


22 posted on 05/07/2014 10:15:37 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: Captain Compassion

Roger that. It ain’t that far to Truckee for me to go get some tax free gas. Of course even tax free, Cali gas is probably still gonna be higher than in Reno.


23 posted on 05/07/2014 10:15:48 PM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: lowbridge

Close the borders.

Deport the illegal half of the population.

Use the savings for infrastructure.


24 posted on 05/07/2014 10:16:55 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Show me the man and I will find the crime. - Lavrenti Beria)
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To: lowbridge

If the thieves in government didn’t steal the money meant for the roads to pay for their socialist spending schemes the situation wouldn’t be so bad. But here in California where the demonrats rule, rather than cut spending they just steal the money from other areas and throw it into the general fund and spend us into poverty.


25 posted on 05/07/2014 10:18:33 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: jiggyboy
The higher your MPG, the more you are screwed, it looks like.

I coulda had a V8!

26 posted on 05/07/2014 10:18:53 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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To: lowbridge
state excise tax and the sales tax is going to disappear replaces by a .05 cent per miles tax... ya sure bet not
27 posted on 05/07/2014 10:19:20 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Democrat_media
if you have a transponder, but post 2 said people would turn back the odo and i don't see how without expensive electronics
28 posted on 05/07/2014 10:20:33 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: All

I have a better idea. why doesn’t the government just take all your money and then just give back what they don’t use.
it will save on paperwork.


29 posted on 05/07/2014 10:21:09 PM PDT by willywill
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To: Chode

If it’s a true digital, it’s connected to a computer and ...


30 posted on 05/07/2014 10:24:21 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: GeronL
they spend it on mass transit and bike trails and eco projects.

Yes there is that. But it is a small percentage compared to highway maintenance.

31 posted on 05/07/2014 10:25:09 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: meatloaf

i stopped responding on this thread. i don’t want to give these government tyrants any ideas how use tech to tax or track us


32 posted on 05/07/2014 10:26:10 PM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lowbridge

We already pay per mileage driven,

It’s called GAS taxes on every gallon...

this is just a thinly disguised excuse - another one - to track our every move - to track how much we each drive. (And down the road, they’ll decide how MUCH we can drive, individually - like x-amount of miles allowed for work, groceries, etc - and then we’ll get our individual ration books - based on the ‘carbon footprint’ they deem we should be held to.

NOT being factitious.


33 posted on 05/07/2014 10:29:42 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: lowbridge

Why is it the answer to just about any problem, for a liberal, is “we need more money and power.” ??? Why isn’t the answer, we should re-prioritize money we are spending elsewhere. The only time they want to do that is when they think they can take it from military spending.


34 posted on 05/07/2014 10:29:43 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: meatloaf
and, you'll need somebody with the electronics to change it... a new business is born
35 posted on 05/07/2014 10:32:49 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Democrat_media

“with GPS they can track how many miles you drive and where you go etc”

Yes, that’s the plan.

If you drive in another state, they don’t charge you for it, but they can report that mileage to that state, so you can be billed for that, too.

After a while, when the mileage tax doesn’t solve the revenue shortfall, they will gradually bring back the fuel taxes.

They can/will also have a highway tax at each annual registration. This one would be highest for electric vehicles.

Oregon’s program:

http://roadchargeoregon.org/frequently-asked-questions/#FAQtax

http://roadchargeoregon.org/frequently-asked-questions-2013-pilot/


36 posted on 05/07/2014 10:45:02 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: lowbridge

$0.05 cents

Way to go, NBC writer. It is either $0.05 or it is simply five cents.


37 posted on 05/07/2014 10:45:05 PM PDT by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: doug from upland

It ain’t about fixing roads and bridges. We know that.


38 posted on 05/07/2014 10:53:09 PM PDT by Luke21
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To: lowbridge

1.40 to 1.60 per 30 miles.


39 posted on 05/07/2014 10:53:19 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: lowbridge

Really, we need to get right down to brass tacks here ... How are ANY of these legislatures, in ANY state, and the Senate, and the House, REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE?


40 posted on 05/07/2014 10:54:06 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: lowbridge

The law of unintended circumstances says that if this happens TMU (True Mileage Unknown) cars will be worth more than clean odometer cars lol


41 posted on 05/07/2014 10:59:44 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: icwhatudo

Is that the same logic that leads to having toll booths on roads that were built 50 years ago? lol


42 posted on 05/07/2014 11:00:50 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: Captain Compassion

Yeah, put that meter in my 970 Opel GT. And I am just crazy enough to have a spare points distributor sitting around so I can drive after a nuke or EMP...or after a Democrat tax scheme.


43 posted on 05/07/2014 11:03:01 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: lowbridge

Why not just charge them for every breathey take too? The tecnology is there.../s


44 posted on 05/07/2014 11:06:58 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: wita
They could do like they do here in North Carolina where you get taxed on your car EVERY YEAR based on its estimated value as long as you have it (or many). IN ADDITION to gas taxes, vehicle registration fees, inspection fees, state income tax, sales tax, property tax, etc. We would also have to pay a tax when we sell our house no matter how much equity we walk away with (based on actual sale price).
45 posted on 05/07/2014 11:08:05 PM PDT by boatbums (quod semper, quod ubique, quod ab omnibus)
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To: Lmo56
People are gonna start turning their odometers back ...

How exactly do you do that with today's vehicles...I mean, just as a hypothetical....

46 posted on 05/07/2014 11:11:43 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: willywill

That is actually preferable from an efficiency point of view


47 posted on 05/07/2014 11:12:59 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? (A socialist is a communist who realizes he must suck at the tit of Capitalism.)
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To: willywill

> I have a better idea. why doesn’t the government just take all your money and then just give back what they don’t use.
it will save on paperwork.

There’s never any left over. In fact they will always want more to loot and line their own pockets...


48 posted on 05/07/2014 11:13:20 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: JennysCool
How are ANY of these legislatures, in ANY state, and the Senate, and the House, REPRESENTING THE PEOPLE?

DING DING DING We have a winner. Please stop calling. We have a winner!!!!

49 posted on 05/07/2014 11:13:47 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Chode

I don’t know but you can bet someone will and they’ll sell the knowledge.

It’s just like the things they put in cars for DUIs, it doesn’t matter what new technology they come up with someone by-passes it.


50 posted on 05/07/2014 11:18:05 PM PDT by tiki
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