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California Mileage Tax Would Charge Drivers Based on Distance Driven
http://www.nbclosangeles.com ^ | may 6, 2014 | Jodi Hernandez and Chris Roberts

Posted on 05/07/2014 9:48:35 PM PDT by lowbridge

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To: P-Marlowe

Bring back muscle cars!


51 posted on 05/07/2014 11:24:16 PM PDT by 867V309 (GOPe? NOPe!)
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To: 867V309

At 5 cents a mile in comparison to the current 52.9 cents per gallon tax, the State will make more money on each vehicle that gets better than 10.5 mpg.

Let’s see. Encourage people to get cars that are hyper efficient when it comes to mileage per gallon of gas, then change the rules to tax those who followed your encouragement much higher than before.


52 posted on 05/07/2014 11:29:34 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: lowbridge

Gee, if they boost minimum wage to $15/hr. then drivers could afford to pay $1/mile. After all, they need to pay their “fair share” because it’s for the children or whales or whatever. /s


53 posted on 05/07/2014 11:33:27 PM PDT by teacherwoes (Alethephobia-fear of hearing the truth)
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To: jiggyboy

LOL. So what’s new? Cut water usage and watch the rate go up to increase$$$$.
Property value go down? Guess what the acessed rate does?
There’s NEVER enough OPM for the Takers....


54 posted on 05/07/2014 11:37:26 PM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissingerhaha)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
"Encourage people to get cars that are hyper efficient when it comes to mileage per gallon of gas, then change the rules to tax those who followed your encouragement much higher than before."

Oh they started that loooong ago. In the late 80's California had a drought. There was a big campaign to encourage the usual conservation which was much more successful than anticipated. So successful that water rates had to be increased.

55 posted on 05/07/2014 11:45:34 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: heshtesh
So the liberals have finally figured out how to move all the peons out of the country side and into the Utopia of liberal controlled cities.

All part of the plan. At least someone recognized it for what it is. Good for you.

...and the gas tax is not going away. Bet on it. The article is BS.
56 posted on 05/07/2014 11:47:22 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: P-Marlowe

Bravo. Good one ;)


57 posted on 05/07/2014 11:54:41 PM PDT by ResisTyr ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God " ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Veggie Todd
Thank you for the support! I think this whole thing is so BASIC that people have forgotten it. In America, our legislatures at ALL levels are supposed to be PROTECTING us against predatory practices, not instigating predatory practices of their own. They have actually become what they were created to guard against. And I think that is so unbelievable that people just don't see it.
58 posted on 05/07/2014 11:55:49 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: JennysCool
people trust government to solve some perceived problem . but people don't realize that government is worse than any problem real or imaginary. And almost all of those problems are imaginary anyway
59 posted on 05/08/2014 12:01:10 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lowbridge

I might be OK for an increase in the gasoline tax, under one condition. You see, the highway funds, where the gasoline tax revenue goes, are regularly raided by government.

The only way I’d go along with an increase in the tax would be that part of the legislation would require and use of the revenue in the highway funds to go through an open appropriation, by appointed “officers,” to be used ONLY for highway and bridge work. And if any of the funds go missing, or is misappropriated? Then the people in charge of the the fund would find themselves facing criminal charges.

After all, that’s one of the “features” of Sarbanes/Oxley, where the CEO and other officers are CRIMINALLY liable for the misappropriation of funds (unless you’re John Corzine). If it’s good enough for business, it should be good enough for the government.

But that would be the ONLY way I’d go along with an increase in taxes.

Mark


60 posted on 05/08/2014 12:13:18 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: lowbridge
I drive 900 miles from Pocatello to San Diego, then park my F150 except for a few grocery runs over the next 6 months. Typically about 200 miles. I then drive 900 miles home for Christmas or my wedding anniversary in June. Out of 2000 miles "round trip" plus some local, only 800 is on California roads. I'm not paying a vehicle mileage tax for miles traveled on the roads in Nevada, Arizona, Utah and Idaho. Further, only miles actually traveled on roads maintained by the state should be even "eligible" for such taxation.
61 posted on 05/08/2014 12:16:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Democrat_media

It could all simply be that the generation currently in governing age has a monstrous chip on its shoulder and just wants to cause as much pain to other people as possible. Sounds a lot like now-jaded and disappointed former ‘60s and ‘70s radicals, doesn’t it?


62 posted on 05/08/2014 12:16:54 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: lowbridge

After increasing the sales tax, why do they need this new tax?

This will screw Vegas more.
Will IMO have everyone filing writing off mileage for work more.

Will this end the other gas tax? No!

We have stupid turds running this state.


63 posted on 05/08/2014 12:20:28 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Much as they have enticed people to install solar, then slapped big taxes and fees on them to "connect" their private generating capacity to the electrical network AND made it illegal to break the connection from the electrical network to run independently. The damn Aussies essentially nationalized the privately purchased solar panels on homes and businesses in Australia.
64 posted on 05/08/2014 12:24:28 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Chode

Take the tax transponder off the liberal neighbors car and attach it to a passing ups van or city bus. Elections have consequences.


65 posted on 05/08/2014 1:06:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Myrddin

1. Declare problem to raise revenue.
2. Create policy to encourage / discourage behavior in order to raise revenue via fees or fines.
3. Fees and fines alter behavior and soon bad behavior stops and revenue slows.
4. Slowing of revenue is reclassified as a problem.
5. Go to step 1.


66 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:57 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: lowbridge
Sick of the gas tax?

What about a tax on every mile you drive?

May California change places with Puerto Rico!

67 posted on 05/08/2014 1:26:45 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: lowbridge

Enjoy the Marxism you voted for Californians! Don’t leave because of it. You voted for it now reap the consequences.


68 posted on 05/08/2014 2:15:06 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: lowbridge

As the Beatles once said:
If you drive your car I’ll tax the street.
You take a walk I’ll tax your feet
Now ,it’s if you drive too far I’ll tax your car.
How are they going to tax the Amish?


69 posted on 05/08/2014 2:50:26 AM PDT by peteyd (A dog may bite you in the ass,but it will never stab you in the back.)
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To: lowbridge

Perhaps the moron proposing the new tax would be good enough to publish the amount of gas tax being collected under the present system and where the money is being spent.


70 posted on 05/08/2014 2:53:10 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: Lmo56

I’ve heard this proposal floated before...what they actually want is to put a GPS unit in your vehicle. Then THEY compute how many miles you’ve driven. You can’t dispute their calculations either.


71 posted on 05/08/2014 3:07:29 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: lowbridge
This would be the final reason to leave California. I've been stuck here because of family and wife's work. Pass this and I'm gone. I no longer care about her father's problems. I've been trying to convince her to move to AZ or NV or even Texas for years. This would be the final nail in the coffin.

I hate California politics, but the love the area and climate we live in south Orange County. But this one will push me and millions over the edge to leave this commie state.

72 posted on 05/08/2014 3:25:05 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever!)
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To: lowbridge

If the government ever told me that I need to install a GPS in my car, I’ll tell them that they can Kiss my A$$.


73 posted on 05/08/2014 3:41:01 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: boatbums

They could do like they do here in North Carolina where you get taxed on your car EVERY YEAR based on its estimated value as long as you have it (or many).

That is some serious taxing, but it is true also of my State of SD. It is just probably more affordable here. Our registration fees doubled about three years ago and are likely still cheaper than NC.

On a more upbeat note, Greeenville NC, Pitt Co. IIRC the birthplace of my mother who in her 93 years, never lost her southern accent having lived all over the world.


74 posted on 05/08/2014 3:49:01 AM PDT by wita
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To: Captain Compassion
They will drop the Fuel Tax to get the mileage tax implemented, people will be happy
to allow the state to do this. But, once this mileage tax has been initiated it will never
be repealed and they will bring back the per gallon tax. This is all a big scam by the Gov.

Then they'll build more monuments to themselves and not fix the Highways,
perpetuating the situation to bring in more tax hikes.

75 posted on 05/08/2014 3:52:48 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Well, why don’t Cali mandate people buying gas hogs. I see a market for 1977 Cadillacs and Lincolns.
Like working for a company that charges people for bandaids and then going around cutting peoples fingers with a razor blade because they weren’t making enough money selling bandaids.


76 posted on 05/08/2014 4:15:09 AM PDT by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: lowbridge

Let’s do some math:

The number of gallons of vehicle fuel consumed in California is approximately 18 billion gallons:

https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policyinformation/pubs/hf/pl11028/chapter5.cfm

However, these are 2009 figures and let’s say that consumption now is 22 billion gallons of vehicle fuel annually

22 billion gallons x $0.529 = $11,638,000,000.00

So, right off we see that the proposal to raise $100 billion represents a nearly ten fold increase over the current revenue.

There are approximately 33.3 million registered cars, vans, trucks, motorcycles, etc in California:

http://dmv.ca.gov/about/profile/official.pdf

Consequently, the per registered vehicle fuel tax burden is approximately:

$11.638 billion/33.3 million registered vehicles = $349.49/registered vehicle

In order to eliminate the fuel tax entirely and raise the $100 billion based on a $0.05/mile driven tax requires a total mileage of:

$100 billion/$0.05/mile driven = 2,000,000,000,000 miles driven

2 trillion miles!

To put that into perspective:

2 trillion miles/33.3 million registered vehicles =

60060 miles/year/registered vehicle
($3003/year mileage tax)
5005 miles/month/registered vehicle
($250/month mileage tax)
164 miles/day/registered vehicle
($8/day mileage tax)

The proposal requires that every registered vehicle in the state be driven 164 miles each day of the year.

It is interesting to note that the legislator proposing this tax has a 200 mile/per day daily commute. He must think that every one else in California has a similar comute as well.

Note: Although I did use a spreadsheet to do these calculations, it is still pretty early here on the East Coast. When you are dealing with that many zeros, the possibility of an error exists. Frankly, given the derived magnitude of the proposed increase and its likely impact on the average driver if implemented, I hope I did make an error somewhere along the line.


77 posted on 05/08/2014 4:31:42 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: GraceG
LOLOL!!!! you're bad...
78 posted on 05/08/2014 4:35:35 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: Chode

You hack it.

With this law I can imagine a lucrative business in hacking odometers.


79 posted on 05/08/2014 4:45:59 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: lowbridge

TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX

It’s all they understand.


80 posted on 05/08/2014 4:54:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: scrabblehack

Thing is, I know how to disconnect a speedometer/odometer cable and judge speed from the tachometer...and how to block a GPS antenna. I’m going to drive remarkably few miles per year....


81 posted on 05/08/2014 5:03:14 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: lowbridge

In the meantime, people who don’t work, and don’t pay taxes, are excited that there will be more money extracted from the few Californians who still work.


82 posted on 05/08/2014 5:11:07 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: All

You can bet they will have a ‘minimum miles’ charge tacked on case you park your vehicle.
Then, of course, administrative fees and any other fee they can think of added in.


83 posted on 05/08/2014 5:14:49 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: Salvavida

Gordon Freeman?


84 posted on 05/08/2014 5:15:17 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: lowbridge

Agenda 21 compliant......check


85 posted on 05/08/2014 5:21:25 AM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: boatbums
They could do like they do here in North Carolina where you get taxed on your car EVERY YEAR based on its estimated value...

Yep, there's an annual property tax on vehicles here in Utah too.

I suppose it's based on this thinking:
1. You have a relatively new car,
2. so you must have a little money...
3. we want some of it.

There's also a sales tax on groceries.

86 posted on 05/08/2014 5:21:37 AM PDT by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: A Navy Vet; lowbridge; RginTN

A navy vet,

Agree with you 1000%.

When I lived in Cali I never voted for tax increases, or anything remotely resembling leftist proposals.

I had a job transfer (no work in Cali, but work elsewhere) so I got out 4 years ago.

Now am in Texas, but family drives out here for visits about 4x a year, and I drive back there twice a year.

Lotta driving for the Cali family members (!)


87 posted on 05/08/2014 5:24:40 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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To: JennysCool

democrats just love and trust government

some others even on this forum do too

these people don’t realize that government is more of a problem than any supposed problem government is supposed to fix


88 posted on 05/08/2014 5:25:11 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lowbridge

Funding roads & bridges is supposed to be accomplished through the gasoline tax. The claim is that increasing mpg lowers the fund.

There is no way I want any government tracking my miles and whereabouts. That is a non-starter.

The gas tax, a sales tax, is the way to do it. NONE of those people do miles on a highway without using fuel. The little fuel that’s based on an electric vehicle plugged into an outlet is simply a micro portion of fuel used.

The highway tax should be based on the actual highway costs from the previous year, LESS the costs of bureaucracy salaries or any non-highway expense added to the highway budget. Divide that by the number of gallons sold from the previous year, and you’ll get the amount of tax needed per gallon.

It should then be set aside exclusively for highways.

And, I’m betting that the amount of tax will go DOWN.


89 posted on 05/08/2014 5:48:59 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

that’s why Obama and democrats have mandated a chip with GPS be installed into your body to track your every move.

http://www.thevoicemagazine.com/blog/health-care/obamas-dangerous-health-care-plan-obamas-microchip-mark/

President, Barack Obama has promised a massive change to “modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic.” Part of his ambitious health care program will be the computerizing of medical records of all Americans in order to make the health care process more cost-effective. — the VeriChip Corp., the US company creating microchip implants — The company’s executives have said their present push is the tagging of “high-risk” patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer’s disease. — According to the company’s most recent SEC quarterly filing, 515 hospitals have pledged to take part in the VeriMed network — In early September, up to 200 Alzheimer’s patients living in the Palm Beach, Florida area were implanted with the microchip by the company VeriChip absolutely free. — People are already lining up for the VeriChip — there have been rumors on Wall Street, and elsewhere, of the potential uses for RFID in humans: the chipping of U.S. soldiers, of inmates, or of migrant workers, to name a few — Opponents believe the government is choosing the most vulnerable citizens for the initial implants — Alzheimer’s patients, the handicapped, retarded, the elderly — but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities.


90 posted on 05/08/2014 5:52:55 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lowbridge
That may yet be a tough sell, but a $0.05 per mile fee could raise over $100 billion for roads in some parts of the state, the San Gabriel Valley Tribune reported.

Apparently, those peasant leprechauns in California have pots o' gold just sitting around, waiting to be tapped...

91 posted on 05/08/2014 5:53:17 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: lowbridge

So if you drive 15,000 miles a year, you will pay 750 dollars. How would this be paid? State tax form? How do you keep people honest? It seems since they want to screw the state residence, why not just add 500 dollars on to every registration? It seems easier to administer. Of course, I am against any new fees and taxes, but if they must then at least do it in a smart way.


92 posted on 05/08/2014 5:55:36 AM PDT by napscoordinator ( Santorum-Bachmann 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: jiggyboy

You are on the money. The whole thing is designed to steal, er... “raise”, more revenue, and someone has to lose. Brilliant effects of this scheme:
1) Punishes responsible people and rewards gas-guzzlers.
2) Gives the State a reason to encourage driving as much as possible. Once the State profits by something, they will foster it.
3) Requires more bureaucrats and technical infrastructure to collect, which will devour the increased revenues and cost everyone money and trouble even beyond the taxes themselves.
4) Promotes “innovation” (of new forms of tax-avoidance and corruption).
5) Undermines freedom and privacy to track mileage.
6) Opens the door to limits on how much you are allowed to drive, and/or tiered rates.
7) Gives State politicians free rein to set the fee per mile, resulting in endless increases and incentives for “contributions” to support or deny increases. (I think they are somewhat blocked by the federal gasoline tax from setting their own rates — that’s why they don’t simply keep the current system with higher tax per gallon).
8) Since equal taxation is “unfair”, politicians will quickly pander to their constituents by awarding mileage tax rebates and credits to those below a certain income, including rebates to those who don’t drive. Mileage rates will be raised to fund the subsidy. More political battles, lobbying, “contributions” etc.

This is a corruption bonanza. Perfect for California.


93 posted on 05/08/2014 5:57:08 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: ThunderSleeps

that’s why Obama and democrats have mandated a chip with GPS be installed into your body to track your every move.

here is an article on it and look at the comments from the liberals/democrats on there praising how great it is to be implanted with chips into their bodies:

http://www.vibrantnation.com/health-fitness/a-chip-to-be-put-in-people-in-2014-or-sooner/

President, Barack Obama has promised a massive change to “modernize health care by making all health records standardized and electronic.” Part of his ambitious health care program will be the computerizing of medical records of all Americans in order to make the health care process more cost-effective. — the VeriChip Corp., the US company creating microchip implants — The company’s executives have said their present push is the tagging of “high-risk” patients — diabetics and people with heart conditions or Alzheimer’s disease. — According to the company’s most recent SEC quarterly filing, 515 hospitals have pledged to take part in the VeriMed network — In early September, up to 200 Alzheimer’s patients living in the Palm Beach, Florida area were implanted with the microchip by the company VeriChip absolutely free. — People are already lining up for the VeriChip — there have been rumors on Wall Street, and elsewhere, of the potential uses for RFID in humans: the chipping of U.S. soldiers, of inmates, or of migrant workers, to name a few — Opponents believe the government is choosing the most vulnerable citizens for the initial implants — Alzheimer’s patients, the handicapped, retarded, the elderly — but eventually every human being in the US, Mexico and Canada will be required to have the microchip implants if only to keep track of them and their activities.


94 posted on 05/08/2014 5:59:46 AM PDT by Democrat_media (Obama ordered IRS to rig 2012 election and must resign)
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To: lowbridge

So what’s next for California, a tax for the number of times you take a breath each year?


95 posted on 05/08/2014 6:38:08 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Lol!
What do you propose to tax out the kazoo when the miles driven per diem drops dramatically?
It can easily be achieved you should know.


96 posted on 05/08/2014 6:59:51 AM PDT by bill1952 (taxes don't hurt the rich, they keep YOU from becoming rich.)
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To: lowbridge

Unfortunately, if this was set up so the money that we would pay, this would be the fairest way to pay for road use.

My wife’s Lexus is 10+ years old and just turned 50K miles, and my medium size pickup is 6 years old with 40k miles.

If it was fair, our road upkeep tax cost per year per vehicle would be less than someone pounding the pavement over 40,000 miles per year with each vehicle.

Probably the biggest road wear and damage comes from the big trucks and in our state, many trucks are from out of state. Most of these trucks have some sort of GPS system, to tally a road use tax.

Vehicle weight is another factor re tearing/wearing down roads.

Before people go ballistic on paying your fair cost on road use.

What if restaurants charged the same for a couple who splits a meal, has one glass of house wine each and shares a salad, and a dessert versus a couple demanding several name brand drinks before dinner, ordering two of the most expensive entrees, salads, ordering the most expensive wine in the restaurant, having two of the most expensive desserts in the restaurant with an expensive after dinner drink and a expensive coffee combo. Time wise the first couple is an out of the restaurant in about 45 minutes, and the second couple could claim squatters rights.

How often would you have dinner with the second couple if they asked for a single bill and divided the cost by 2?


97 posted on 05/08/2014 7:15:01 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obama cannot divert resources from his war on Americans!)
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To: lowbridge

“State transit officials note that there’s not nearly enough money available to fix the many bridges and roads in California that are in desperate need of repair.”

“NOT nearly enough money available”, because the Democrats stole it all for their party purposes to buy votes.


98 posted on 05/08/2014 7:25:34 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: icwhatudo

They’ll keep the gas tax instead of exchanging it for this scam, but will change the name of the tax, as well call it a fee.


99 posted on 05/08/2014 7:26:38 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: GeronL

Everyone here at FR needs to remember that Governor Grey Davis emptied the road fuel tax coffers more than once when he was in charge in California.

He literally put an IOU into the records for all that money & put the money into the General Fund, where it as squandered on many of California’s social programs.

That was one of the reasons he got recalled & replaced by Arnold.


100 posted on 05/08/2014 7:38:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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