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Was an EMP Attack Just Tested on the United States?
American Thinker ^ | 05/08/2014 | Jason Kissner

Posted on 05/08/2014 6:56:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

An unsettling series of events arguably bearing on national security transpired last week that the MSM hastened to paper over.  On April 30, the FAA, as a consequence of “computer glitches”, halted outgoing flights at LAX as well as other airports including PHX, SFO, SJC, SLC, LAS, and SAN.

An NBC  report May 2 remarked:

A relic from the Cold War appears to have triggered a software glitch at a major air traffic control center in California Wednesday that led to delays and cancellations of hundreds of flights across the country, sources familiar with the incident told NBC News.

On Wednesday at about 2 p.m., according to sources, a U-2 spy plane, the same type of aircraft that flew high-altitude spy missions over Russia 50 years ago, passed through the airspace monitored by the L.A. Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, Calif. The L.A. Center handles landings and departures at the region’s major airports, including Los Angeles International (LAX), San Diego and Las Vegas.

On May 6, Mac Slavo, writing at SHTFplan (linked at Drudge), followed NBC’s reporting with:

The Air Force officially denied that it was a U-2 spy plane, claiming they found the glitch but provided no reason for what caused it:

It’s still not clear why the U-2 flew into the L.A. Center’s airspace, or why it didn’t give advance warning of the flight, as per usual. According to NBC News, the nearby Edwards Air Force Base and NASA’s Neil A. Armstrong Flight Research Center (located at Edwards) “have been known to host U-2s.”


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: attack; emp
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1 posted on 05/08/2014 6:56:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Just getting ready for martial law.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 6:59:17 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

“Unlike the nuclear-trigger Super EMP Weapons capable of taking down the electrical infrastructure of an entire country if detonated about 200 miles above the earth’s surface, non-nuclear EMP technology is a line-of-sight weapon that can be directed at a specific city, building or computer system.”

I was previously completely unaware of the capability of such weapons,

will they work on the golf course??


3 posted on 05/08/2014 7:00:39 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes! This was King Obama’s test to prepare for America's finishing touches on how much power he has. Wake up America!
4 posted on 05/08/2014 7:00:58 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind
What sane person believes the “flexible” fascist Obama/MSM would tell the truth if it were a hostile EMP test?

He wouldn't and neither would the MSM. If it doesn't fit their narrative, it's not fit to print.

5 posted on 05/08/2014 7:01:59 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Has our government already attempted an EMP attack on the south east?

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3146545/posts


6 posted on 05/08/2014 7:02:33 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

If it was an EMP attack, the effect would have been more widespread. This is just speculation.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 7:02:52 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Yep. An external enemy is a necessary distraction from domestic failure and oppression.


8 posted on 05/08/2014 7:06:20 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have it on good authority from several FReepers that there is NO such thing as EMP it just something that was made up to scare us.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 7:07:09 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: bigbob
"If it was an EMP attack, the effect would have been more widespread. This is just speculation."

Agree with this assessment. My guess is that the reasons that the U-2s are still around is that a) they still do a great job, and b) even though they are quite old they are probably packed with the best jamming equipment around, which makes them difficult to track. Another guess is that by this time they've developed some sort of pod or internal jammer that can target specific items and for whatever reason it was on and you saw the effects. It does, however, lead you to believe that if they wanted to they could easily take down a country's power grid, communications, etc.

10 posted on 05/08/2014 7:09:41 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: SeekAndFind

don’t know what else to do but bookmark


11 posted on 05/08/2014 7:09:56 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m in deep SE Texas.

There have been at least 2 power surges here within the last couple of weeks also.

The first one was on April 22 or 23. That one screwed up my computer.

The other one on April 30 blew the breakers on the power lines and blew out the power.

I knew it was a power surge because my computer notified me of a power surge and then the power went off.

That was in the morning here, about 9am central IIRC.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 7:10:26 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SeekAndFind

“triggered a software glitch”
Written by someone who has no idea what software is.


13 posted on 05/08/2014 7:10:48 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: aegiscg47
The US used a graphite whisker bomb in the Iraq war, IIRC. That shorts out parts of the power distribution grid.

Wikipedia Graphite_bomb

14 posted on 05/08/2014 7:14:22 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: SeekAndFind

If it was an EMP test I would assume it would take out a lot more than just the ATC system at LAX. It would also take out everything in the area.


15 posted on 05/08/2014 7:17:09 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Putin just checking our ‘flexibility’.


16 posted on 05/08/2014 7:17:46 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. And anything from the MSM.)
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To: IMR 4350

Mine went out at the same times as well, a little north of Houston.


17 posted on 05/08/2014 7:32:28 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: McGruff

Given the recent dispute between the United States and Russia regarding overflights of their respective countries, it would not surprise me in the least if the airport outages were caused by a foreign spy plane.


18 posted on 05/08/2014 7:32:30 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: SeekAndFind

Uh...NO!

EMPs are not that narrowly targeted.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 7:40:03 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: mac_truck

Given the recent dispute between the United States and Russia regarding overflights of their respective countries, it would not surprise me in the least if the airport outages were caused by a foreign spy plane

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Soviet chupacabras.


20 posted on 05/08/2014 7:44:21 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (FIGHT! FIGHT! SEVERE CONSERVATIVE AND THE WILD RIGHT!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Did anyone witness the removal of the broken hardware? The EMP would have destroyed the hardware (you know, where the actual electronic components are found), not simply glitch the software.

All of the hardware would have had to be replaced if EMPs actually do what they are purported to do.


21 posted on 05/08/2014 7:45:47 AM PDT by dmz
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To: Kartographer

“there is NO such thing as EMP it just something that was made up to scare us.”

You guys scare yourselves. One Internet poster driving the posts of the next. Repeat a rumor or lie often enough and it becomes fact to some people.


22 posted on 05/08/2014 7:46:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: IMR 4350
The first one was on April 22 or 23. That one screwed up my computer.

Look into Pure Sinewave UPS Systems to protect your computer investment.
Since I went to SSD-HD this choice was a mandatory option. My high end computer
can stay active up to 19 min. And has a safe auto shutdown.

Regular battery backups most likely will not protect the SSD drives if you have them.

23 posted on 05/08/2014 7:47:11 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Cboldt; SgtBob; Chode

I want some...


24 posted on 05/08/2014 7:47:49 AM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!! Once again dingy hairball, STFU!!! You corrupt POS!!!)
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To: StolarStorm

Just as my power went out I got a notice from my computer there was a massive power surge, and I’ve got a surge protector.

I’m on ‘Entergy” where I am.


25 posted on 05/08/2014 7:48:04 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Kartographer

It is far more likely that a large solar flare would damage infrastructure than a small airplane.
It takes a great deal of energy to create a EMP pulse and range is limited by the inverse square law.

I’d be more worried about a container ship floating into San Francisco bay with a load of Cobalt 60 and high explosives.


26 posted on 05/08/2014 7:49:21 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: SeekAndFind

Not EMP. GPS jamming. The ATC computer glitch is a cover story. Many commercial airliners lost their GPS receivers, which led to SoCal approach shutting down traffic in So California. It was not just a loss of GPS reception either: it caused damage to many airborne GPS systems.


27 posted on 05/08/2014 7:49:58 AM PDT by Tzfat
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To: MeshugeMikey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_pumped_flux_compression_generator


28 posted on 05/08/2014 7:52:56 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: SeekAndFind

Wouldn’t an EMP have taken down ALL electronics in the vicinity of LAX and not just a few specific air traffic control systems?


29 posted on 05/08/2014 7:55:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: MaxMax

I don’t know what it is.

I’m taking it in next week.

Let somebody knows what they are doing fix it.

When you “wake” it up it doesn’t want to load anything and I have to shut it off and on several times.

It will also run slow like I’m on a dialup connection.

I have satellite connection, it’s not super high speed but it’s faster than dial up.


30 posted on 05/08/2014 7:56:11 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SeekAndFind
Whoa...back up, all you conspiracy chasers.

This was caused by computer error, prompted by controller error.

The U-2 was flying above 60,000', where they operate in a manner similar to VFR/OTP. When a controller took the flight plan, he entered the altitude as 600/OTP in error, instead of just 600. This confused the computer, causing it to process the flight information at all altitudes from ground to 60,000. This caused the computer to enter 'loops' and eventually crash.

Palmdale Center is using a newish ATC computer system called ERAMS. This was probably the first time the computer had seen this error (controllers can be very inventive).

I was an enroute controller for 35 years, started in Chicago before there were ANY computers. I have seen dozens, possibly hundreds of similar computer crashes, and can assure you all there is nothing sinister (other than incompetence) behind it.

31 posted on 05/08/2014 7:58:12 AM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: aegiscg47; All

When I was in the air force an F16 pilot forgot to turn off his electronic jamming equipment when he returned to base. It burned out quite a bit of the radar and air traffic control equipment.

Or maybe one of the bandaids/bubble gum fixes fell off the LAX equipment.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 7:58:50 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: IMR 4350
Sounds like the HD. The operating system can scramble and not start.
Had that happen to me several times in the past.
33 posted on 05/08/2014 8:02:36 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought the U2 story was a little far fetched.


34 posted on 05/08/2014 8:02:43 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Thank you!


35 posted on 05/08/2014 8:03:10 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: G Larry
Uh...NO!

EMPs are not that narrowly targeted.

Law enforcement has for years used EMP RCC's (Radio Controlled Cars) that "detonate" near or under the car being chased to blow out the car's electronics. Not used very often because of the expense of a one-shot RCC because it too "blows up" electronically.

36 posted on 05/08/2014 8:03:16 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: Tzfat

I was just going to ping you...


37 posted on 05/08/2014 8:23:58 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: MaxMax

“Sounds like the HD”

Same thing the computer repair guy told me.

Just full of good news aren’t you.

It definitely happened with a power surge.

What caused the surge I don’t know, but it wasn’t a quick spike. It took several seconds to build up until my computer notified me of the surge.


38 posted on 05/08/2014 8:34:42 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: SeekAndFind

Probably not - throughout California, the daily operating imperative is simply: SNAFU.


39 posted on 05/08/2014 8:43:39 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SeekAndFind

The story implies that at U-2 by it’s very presence, can disrupt air traffic control?????? Are you kidding? Is this an onion article?


40 posted on 05/08/2014 9:00:16 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Kartographer

Do your own homework, don’t rely on others. We have our own share of crackpots here.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 9:02:17 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: pfflier

“Hey Bob I told you to watch out for that cord now plug it back in!”
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42 posted on 05/08/2014 9:15:40 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Resolute Conservative
Sorry... WRONG! Gosh people, do NONE of you remember high school physics?

An EMP device has a SHERICAL area of impact, not directional!

Also, this was NOT caused by a U-2 it was caused by SOFTWARE ERRORS in logic in the FAAs new system. The logic faults have been found and fixed already.

Yes, the U-2 was the initiator of the event, but it could have just as easily been a business jet for crimany’s sake!

SOFTWARE ERROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

43 posted on 05/08/2014 9:23:43 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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44 posted on 05/08/2014 9:26:25 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: USCG SimTech

The authors would like us to believe there is some intent or capacity for Feds to EMP large areas of the country.

Whatever that U-2 may have done to affect FAA systems, I doubt it would be categorized as an EMP.


45 posted on 05/08/2014 9:34:38 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SeekAndFind; null and void; Jet Jaguar; rockinqsranch; Velveeta; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; Myrddin; ..
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Was an EMP Attack Just Tested on the United States?

46 posted on 05/08/2014 9:38:47 AM PDT by LucyT (Where is the $2,500 in health insurance savings 0bama & the Dems Promised Everyone?)
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To: CodeToad; pfflier

The military pays attention to it, it is one reason our field radios weighed so much.


47 posted on 05/08/2014 10:11:33 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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To: SeekAndFind

No emp. We went over this in another thread.

Older computers would reasonably been programmed for altitudes up to 65535 feet, absurdly high for commercial aircraft. The U2 was higher, causing a “roll over”, subtracting that value until the result fit in range, placing the apparent altitude around 5-15,000 ft, right where other planes were operating. Result was the U2, flying high over other traffic, appeared about to collide.

Classic computer error, right up there with the Ariane 5 explosion (launched from a negative latitude, it computed impossible ballistic vectors, got confused, and blew itself up as a safety precaution) and Mars lander (confusing meters with feet, it followed a perfect landing trajectory and and shut off the retro rockets at the correct point - several miles up, subsequently crashing).


48 posted on 05/08/2014 10:19:06 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: ansel12

I think the weight had a lot more to do with being sturdy enough to handle field ops versus EMP. EMP protection wouldn’t require much at all. The military protected its devices much more against TEMPEST rather than EMP. EMP is too weak a pulse to bother individual devices.


49 posted on 05/08/2014 10:45:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: ctdonath2

I HIGHLY doubt a 16-bit computer glitch caused this as many military aircraft have been tracked above 65535 feet for more than 5 decades. That, and many of the tracking computers are 21-bit.


50 posted on 05/08/2014 10:47:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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