Skip to comments.Methodists drop church complaint against open lesbian
Posted on 05/08/2014 8:00:19 AM PDT by fwdude
A lesbian preacher in the United Methodist Church is being given a free ride.
After a complaint was filed against Sara Thompson Tweedy of New York, the matter was considered and the case dismissed. There will be no prosecution.
Rob Renfroe of Good News, an orthodox renewal United Methodist group, says there's no mistake about Thompson's lifestyle.
"She's very up front that she that is married to another woman " tells OneNewsNow.
Renfroe describes her as a "proud, active, self-avowed lesbian."
(Excerpt) Read more at onenewsnow.com ...
More of the great apostacy unfolding before our eyes.
I have no problem with welcoming sinners into any church congregation, but they should not be advocating their sin from the pulpit.
Here is yet another “organization” gone off the rails. It is so easy to do when the organization becomes some “thing” rather than just a gathering of believers with elder believers watching over. There was no “membership” in the early gatherings, no central headquarters to “appoint” or “ordain” those who would toe a party line. There were simply those mature believers who taught, watched over, and got replaced (and asked to leave) when they deviated from the Gospel.
Evil on display, everyday.
Moral strength in any one church builds and buttresses strength in all; moral collapse in any one church, weakens all the rest.
There’s a split coming, it’s simply a matter of who leaves and who stays. It would be nice if the liberals had to leave for once.
I believe this is the same bishop (New York) who refused to hold a trial in the case of a UMC pastor who officiated at a same-sex wedding.
I wonder how much the laws of the state of NY come into play.
So has the Methodist Church gone politically correct on us?
We know that the homosexual is at the top of the pyramid of officially recognized grievance groups. So, a homosexual woman is protected from any criticism or sanction due to that.
I think that the emergence of open homosexuality, and homosexual marriage, is going to be a major flash point of aspects of religious freedom. Splits in churches may be inevitable, as churches now have to decide if they want to embrace homosexuality and homosexual marriage.
The splits will happen. If churches embrace the homosexuality, then they will lose some members to other churches which still hold to traditional values. If churches do not embrace homosexuality, they may lose some members who want the church to “change with the times” and become liberal on the homosexual issues.
In any case, we will see some big changes in our church communities, because we now revere and honor homosexuality in our culture. Some in church think this is a good thing, others will still want traditional values represented in the faith community they belong to.
She does not look like a dykes on bikes type so all is well
The UMC Leadership, the ELCA, the Episcopal Church leadership and the Prebyterian Leadership are in bed with these people because they really believe it.
The leadership has become a “post-Christian” church.
Only the Orthodox Churches, the Catholic Church, and the Evangelicals, with a few smaller Protestant Denominations any longer follow the Bible. Throw in the Mormons and Orthodox Judaism and you have the only bastions for Judaeo-Christian morality left in America.
As for the western European Socialists, they abandoned their Christian roots a long time ago, which is why they have become fertile ground for the Muslims
Speaking of dykes on bikes, this language reminds me of how only certain people can use the “N” word.
Homosexuals are allowed to say “dyke” or “queer” or “homo”, but you and I will be banished from life if we use those words.
Dykes on Bikes is the name their group goes by, so they clearly embrace the dyke word. I wonder if anyone else is allowed to use the name of their biking organization, even though they call themselves by that name?
You can be sure that any church group/denomination which drops the biblical requirement for male-only ordination has removed the bottom from the pit. It’s a certainty.
There should be some form of patent on the name "Methodist." Someone should sue within the Methodist councils, using Wesley's Plain Account of Christian Perfection as a basis for rejecting non-Methodism and those who don't want to follow it.
I have recently been in a small group studying the catechisms of Martin Luther. The larger Lutheran (ELCA) group in the U.S. has also been going down the "progressive" political drain. At a recent regional Lutheran meeting, the bishop got up and gave a rousing call for "Change!" in the church, asking the entire assembly to shout out, "The church must change!" I shouted out, "The church must never change!" -- to the appalled looks of those seated nearby.
This is the point: technology changes. Outward circumstances change. But the gospel does not change. The hearts of man have not changed, and cannot change without surrender to Truth. Truth does not change. The Reformation was not about change in the sense of going "forward" to something new under the sun; it was about stripping away the frills and corruptions and returning to the origins of the Apostolic faith.
There is nothing inherently good about change for its own sake. Like abortion, change has been enshrined as an absolute value by the useful idiots, who fail to recognize that it only means destruction of their freedom and elevation and enrichment of the elites, at the expense of the common man. Christ came to lift up our hearts, minds and souls, unifying Christians regardless of our income, sex, or ethnicity. Marxism divides and enslaves.
Its already ripped much of the Episcopal Church apart.
That’s why I have very little use for the UMC . . . they’re non-biblical on abortion, homosexuality, and sex before marriage. They’re more interested in the number of seats they fill rather than the number of souls they save.
Those who know our denomination know that the northeast, the great lakes, and the west coast regions are those that are dying. They are also radically liberal and in need of dying.
Those that are gaining are in Africa, and in the conservative congregations and districts of the south, west, and Midwest.
Fortunately, those who vote once every 4 years on our church law are selected in proportion to church membership.
IOW, as the liberal regions die off, they also lose their voice, their vote, and their place at the table.
This action by this wayward New York Bishop is because he is LOSING, and not because he is winning.
As in politics, liberals have NO problem lying and stuffing ballot boxes when it comes to their church groups. This has happened with the Lutherans, who slipped in non-members to vote at their last convention, and it will happen here as well.
These might as well be called “atheist” churches.
It’s not possible in our system. The delegates are elected by name in their various regions and announced ahead of time.
It would be like trying to stuff non-elected ringers into Congress to vote. Someone’s going to notice.
Yours is a hopeful reply. I have seen the difference when I travel south and attend UMC churches with friends who are still Methodists. Having suffered through the gay-promotion in the Philadelphia and Baltimore Conferences, I'm one who has left rather than continue to tithe into the UMC up here. May many more follow until the beast is starved.
The UMC in my neighborhood closed-up shop last Sunday after 95 years.
Sadly the two are not unrelated.
Liberals are now in charge of the the UMC. They will make happen whatever they want to. Please shake off the naiveté.
And just last week, I read that the gay bishop who started all the fuss in the ECUSA, Gene Robinson, is divorcing his "husband" after only four years of gay marriage. The man had no principles in dumping his wife and children for a man, and he has no principles in dumping his gay dude, even though the entire world Anglican communion's eyes are on him. Someone please exhume Dante so he can add another ring of hell to The Inferno.
The UMC’s in my large metropolitan area in Texas are also languishing. One close to me changed their name from “Methodist” to “Wesleyan,” presumably to distance themselves from the reputation. Still, the parking lot is sadly empty on Sundays.
Yes Geneine Robinson..WHAT A GUY!!!
“Someone please exhume Dante so he can add another ring of hell to The Inferno.”
They never leave and are never forced to leave. They know they can just hang around and continue to make things miserable until their foes leave.
Sally Dyck. I'm not making this up.
What can I say? It's the Methodists - the same people chose the image of a dandelion - a weed, aka a tare (Matthew 13:25-40) - to represent their message.
I believe we’ve discussed this before, Albion, and I’m of the opinion that God directs the steps of His children. If He’s sent you in a different direction, then I believe He knew the light would be missing in the locations you would live. I have nothing but support for those who’ve had to leave those lightless churches whose candlesticks have been removed.
As for me, I pastor a bible believing, Jesus proclaiming, Methodist church in rural America. I think we are the TRUE Methodists. They are the phonies. And like you (or someone said) we should have ownership of the “Methodist” name and not them.
If an apostasy happens, and it looks like we’ll become a single island of Jesus believing Christians in a sea of apostate liberal deathodists, then we’ll leave.
In the meantime, our circumstances, unlike yours, make it possible for us to fight on a little longer.
We’re on a roll, fwdude. This is no time to quit fighting.
Jesus told us, “be of good cheer, I have overcome the world!”
We shall overcome!
God bless you and your congregation, Pastor. I so appreciate your bringing your knowledge of the UMC’s organizational dynamics to the discussion. There seem to be few Methodists posting on FR; but everyone of us whose heart has been touched by Wesley and who is dealing with decisions about what’s left of his movement in America benefit by keeping in touch with others whose views add objectivity. Thank you again for your contributions here.
Wesleyan Churches are a different denomination and are more aligned with Baptists.
The Reformation was not about change in the sense of going “forward” to something new under the sun; it was about stripping away the frills and corruptions and returning to the origins of the Apostolic faith.
...if it makes you feel good, keep believing that...doesn’t make it true, however...
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...if it makes you feel good, keep believing that...doesnt make it true, however...
I take it you are referring to the schism.
In reply, Luther was an Augustinian monk. He did not intend to leave Catholicism, but to reform it; however, he was pushed out by the RCC due to the perceived strength of his supporters against the HRE hierarchy.
As you must have read, there was a great deal of corruption at the time, involving but not limited to the sale of indulgences. It may be useful to compare that historic fact in light of the present corruption by a few depraved RCC priests toward children, which has been acknowleged, and steps taken to self-correct it; however, that portion of corruption does not reflect on the faith itself or the tenets of the faith. At the time of Luther, I suggest it was a similar situation -- some corruption, but not total corruption. Unlike today, opposition to corruption in the RCC was reacted against rather than responded to at that time.
So, in terms of learning from history, the schism has done both faith traditions a favor. The RCC is now more aware of an obligation to re-examine its culture and administrative aspects when something goes wrong, due in no small part to the Reformation and the 30-years wars that resulted. And the reform tradition is learning to its horror that the lack of a magisterium and active authority keeping the tenets of the faith on target contributes to its own kind of theological corruption.
Personally, I hold out hope for the reunification of the major streams of Christianity: Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Reformed and Evangelical. It is more productive to me to work towards the unity Christ desired of us by researching the actual theology than it is to blindly defend the tradition I "belong" to and cast suspicion on other believers.
These people are not only perverting the Gospel of Christ, but they are, by their teaching and example, offending the little children in their congregations. Lest they repent, there will be a very dark place in Hell reserved for them.
Jesus did not pull his punches on those who would harm the children in their influence. Their future is bleak.
These things have a way of fixing themselves.
They can appoint a gay pastor to my Methodist Church but I am free to comment as I see fit. He wouldn’t last long under that scenario. The weight of guilt is too great.
Christians will send missionaries to Godless heathen Hellholes to preach to the lost but they won’t stay in a local church to try and save it.
My comment on a Methodist blog about this bishop and his lesbian underling:
New York bishop McLee has made a declaratory judgment that the Methodist Book of Discipline is not to be followed. In for a penny, in for a pound.
Therefore, we all are free to ignore what we wish to ignore. A little of it, a lot of it, all of it. Pick what you want. The Bishop says we can. We all get to do whats right in our own eyes.
Among the things Ill pick is if I dole out support: time, talents, cash, service .
But when Pastors and Bishops like these send missionaries out to heathan Hellholes, their converts will be in a worse spiritual position than if they had never heard this perverted gospel at all.
Can a corrupt tree bear good fruit?
Very good points.
I hear many churchgoers demanding adherence to the Scriptures in the area of sexual perversion, but in other areas seem unconcerned about what God expects. They demand Hollywood accurately represent the story of Noah, and stick to the facts without substituting manmade ideas, but they won’t demand the same from the pulpit.
And so they get perverts in the pulpit - and then complain about it. But it’s as Hosea said: “like people, like priest”.
He gets away with it because there are many bishops, but there is no bishop above any other bishop to bring him to account. They are each independent and unaccountable.
That is something that many tried to address last time, but an archbishop can be a problem, too, so they saw the downside of that and rejected it.
I tend to favor it. I think it will force Methodism to fish or cut bait. We’ll get a bad one who’ll make it obvious that Christians should leave, or we’ll get a good one who’ll clean up the place.
One positive is that we know the regions with nutcases in charge. We can point that out.
These people don’t send out missionaries who proclaim Christ. They tend to send out water engineers or inoculation experts, and then they call that mission work.
Clean water and vaccines aren’t a bad thing, but a Christian with dysentery is still going to heaven. An animist with a clean bowel isn’t.