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Five Chinese Weapons of War America Should Fear
The National Interest ^ | May 7, 2014 | By Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 05/08/2014 8:25:18 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

In the last twenty years, China has quickly ascended from a regional to global military power. A generation ago, the People’s Liberation Army was armed with antiquated weapons and oriented towards a manpower-intensive “People’s War”. In the intervening period China has gone from a green to blue water navy, the air force is actively developing so-called fifth-generation fighters, and the army has been extensively modernized.

A vast array of new Chinese weapons are under development, some alarming in their potential.

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The most dangerous weapon to U.S. forces in the Asia-Pacific region is the Dong Feng-21D anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM). Somewhat prematurely dubbed “the Carrier Killer”, the DF-21D is a medium-range ballistic missile specifically designed to attack American aircraft carriers, skirting the defenses of a U.S. naval task force to attack ships from above at hypersonic speeds.

DF-21D is a land-based system, with an estimated range of up to 1,500+km. Once launched, the missile would release a reentry vehicle traveling at speeds of up to Mach 10-12. The resulting velocity and kinetic energy—to say nothing of the reentry vehicle’s payload—would cause serious damage to even the largest naval vessels. Nobody knows for sure, but it is believed direct hits from a DF-21D could be enough to put an aircraft carrier out of action, or even sink it. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: asbm; china; dongfeng21d

1 posted on 05/08/2014 8:25:18 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Kung Pao chicken another secret weapon..
2 posted on 05/08/2014 8:31:27 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

And using it would cost the trillion or so dollars the Chinese have invested in the US.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 8:34:55 AM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Wonder how much technology was given to them by the Clinton administration?cj


4 posted on 05/08/2014 8:35:06 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Their spy service....?

5 posted on 05/08/2014 8:38:55 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: GSP.FAN

Don’t forget the pupu platter.


6 posted on 05/08/2014 8:39:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Born to Conserve
And using it would cost the trillion or so dollars the Chinese have invested in the US.

If you owe the bank $1,000 you are a potential problem. If you owe the bank $1,000,000 you are a potential partner

7 posted on 05/08/2014 8:40:12 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: FatherofFive

Their main weapon would prob be the US Dollar.
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8 posted on 05/08/2014 8:41:45 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: Brad from Tennessee
"DF-21D Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile"

It's one thing to hit a stationary test target sitting the middle of a desert. Quite another to hit one maneuvering at 35+ knots.

9 posted on 05/08/2014 8:44:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A perfect time to cut our military to pre-WWII funding.


10 posted on 05/08/2014 8:46:03 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Rebelbase

While you are getting shot at too.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 8:47:08 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Brad from Tennessee

The forgot the thousands of factories now in Red China that used to be located in the United States.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 8:48:17 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Anti-Satellite Weaponry”

Capital assets orbiting earth will be targeted in the next world conflict. Both sides have this capability. The winner of the space battle will be the champion.


13 posted on 05/08/2014 8:48:17 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Rebelbase
It's one thing to hit a stationary test target sitting the middle of a desert. Quite another to hit one maneuvering at 35+ knots.

At mach 10, 35 knots is standing still.

14 posted on 05/08/2014 8:48:37 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“Offensive Cyber Operations”

There’s gonna be a lot of pissed off FReepers if they bring the web down!


15 posted on 05/08/2014 8:50:19 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Carry_Okie
True, but in wartime how will they get the targeting info for this weapon? The Chinese will need to have some pretty good intel to even point the thing in the general direction of a carrier, even if it has some kind of BOL targeting system, which I'm not sure it actually does have.
16 posted on 05/08/2014 9:07:34 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: Brad from Tennessee

#6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4DZQhfrl5Y


17 posted on 05/08/2014 9:12:13 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Brad from Tennessee
maneuvering a Mach 10 reentry vehicle (RV) is nearly impossible give the reaction time differential of a carrier. i.e. For the RV to hit a maneuvering target, it has to be able to respond and change course faster than the target. That's not possible; the physics of the energy management required doesn't allow it.

The carrier wins the maneuverability race.

In order to hit a carrier it would then have to be a huge conventional blast: on the order of 30,000 lbs of TNT within a 1/8 mile radius. Not a practical load for an RV.

The carrier wins the blast race.

It would therefore, at a minimum, that the RV be nuclear in the 5 - 10 kT range. Doable, but then you bring the entire US nuclear umbrella down on your head.

We loose a carrier, you loose your country and a few hundred million to nuclear strikes.

We win and send the Marines in to polish the glass of the new worlds largest optical telescopes.

If you want to defeat a carrier strike group, ignore the carrier. Go after it's defensive armada.

If the destroyers, cruisers and subs are gone, a naked carrier is no threat.

18 posted on 05/08/2014 9:19:12 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Rebelbase

Don’t forget, a carrier group is surrounded by guided missile destroyers and maybe a GM ageis cruiser. Anything that gets within 250 miles of a carrier is tracked and no IFF will get you an F-18 buddy.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 9:31:27 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Rebelbase

Don’t forget, a carrier group is surrounded by guided missile destroyers and maybe a GM ageis cruiser. Anything that gets within 250 miles of a carrier is tracked and no IFF will get you an F-18 buddy.


20 posted on 05/08/2014 9:31:44 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Weapon #1 - Mac daddies red line foreign policy.

Weapon #2 - Mac daddies waiting for confirmation reports

Weapon #3 - Mac daddies selecting who he will blame if things go wrong

Weapon #4 - Mac daddy pauses on retalitation

Weapon #5 - Mac daddies wide yellow stripe down his back


21 posted on 05/08/2014 9:32:56 AM PDT by chiefqc
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To: GSP.FAN

Yep. Fear General Tso, too.


22 posted on 05/08/2014 9:34:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A near vertical targeting of a carrier with an accurate maneuvering, tracking missile would be hard to defend against. They should be scared of it.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 9:41:49 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Carry_Okie
The problem is the missile is pretty much in terminal mode, very fast,very high aspect angle, but still maneuverable and tracking. The high angle is pretty much in the handover angle for many of the multi-faceted radars and even the CIWS. I wouldn't wanna be on a carrier that was targeted by one depending on a nearby Arleigh Burke Missile destroyer to take it out.
24 posted on 05/08/2014 9:46:25 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
I quite reading when the author suggested China has a Blue Water Navy.

I'll believe that when I see them unrep a Task Force of Warships off the coast of California.

DF21 "Carrier Killer"? Show me.

I don't believe even the US could build something like that, as described. Hitting a moving target from 1k miles out with a ballistic missile? Good luck.

25 posted on 05/08/2014 9:48:20 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Freeport

You have to be able to track and respond quickly enough to maneuver, and the carrier certainly won’t be doing the tracking so that means the combined carrier group assets, the ABs and their Aegis radars would have to do it and then get the data to the carrier quick enough and for them to respond. I don’t think they could do it personally.

And if you think Obama is going to respond to anything with a nuclear response, then I don’t know what to tell you.


26 posted on 05/08/2014 9:51:36 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Rebelbase; All
Check out this video on a new, Production US Weapon.

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/10/bds_champ_10_22_12.html

We can shut down pretty much anything we choose, whenever and wherever we want.

27 posted on 05/08/2014 9:52:00 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
We off-shored all of the technology the chinese would ever need to defeat us in any combat scenario, along with giving them the upper hand in any asymmetrical warfare situation, all for making the next quarterly profit projection.

Face it, we sold our souls for profit, and gave away the keys to the kingdom in the process.

If the chinese enacted an embargo on the US tomorrow, virtually all industry in this country would grind to a halt within less than a month. That is how much of the US industry that was here, now resides in china, and they know
it, and they will use it as a weapon when the time comes.

28 posted on 05/08/2014 9:53:09 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: bunkerhill7

That’s what you call some Good Order and Discipline right there:)


29 posted on 05/08/2014 9:53:39 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: GSP.FAN
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30 posted on 05/08/2014 10:09:49 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: Rebelbase
It's one thing to hit a stationary test target sitting the middle of a desert. Quite another to hit one maneuvering at 35+ knots.

With a kenetic round, yes, but with a low-yield nuke or Fuel-Air munitions, not so much.

31 posted on 05/08/2014 10:18:33 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Brad, fuggedabout the missile.

The big danger is Chinese Military Tailoring. The cute soldier-boy in the posted article would cause our people to ROTFLTAO and be unable to operate their weapons.

That sleazeoid material reminded me of the stuff in the Hall'o'ween costume store, along with the 1944 girlie shoulder pads. Very Barbara Stanwyck.

BTW, a 1500 km range? That's "only" about 1,000 miles. Hell, Hitler did better than that.

32 posted on 05/08/2014 10:19:16 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Take congress in 2014. Have a Constitutional Convention of the States. Save the Republic.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Do you think they shower together?


33 posted on 05/08/2014 10:30:36 AM PDT by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“WILL”

It is the critical component missing from the American “quiver”......


34 posted on 05/08/2014 10:32:52 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: aegiscg47
True, but in wartime how will they get the targeting info for this weapon?

How about hacking our military data streams?

35 posted on 05/08/2014 10:41:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Gaffer
I wouldn't wanna be on a carrier that was targeted by one depending on a nearby Arleigh Burke Missile destroyer to take it out.

The only effective defense I can conjure would be a laser.

36 posted on 05/08/2014 10:42:45 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Rebelbase

“Quite another to hit one maneuvering at 35+ knots.”

Especially at those incoming speeds.


37 posted on 05/08/2014 10:46:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Carry_Okie

There such things as radar reflection decoys.


38 posted on 05/08/2014 10:47:11 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Mariner

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/10/bds_champ_10_22_12.html


39 posted on 05/08/2014 10:47:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Rebelbase

True, but hitting a 35kts target is fairly easy, even using visual targeting. (Bright spot, dark spot tracking) From sub-orbital delivery, the time to ground is less than 10 seconds.


40 posted on 05/08/2014 10:50:58 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: FatherofFive

the $1000 loaner guy fails, only he fails.

the $10,000,000 loaner guy fails, the bank may fail too. some heads gonna roll even if they make it.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 10:52:14 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Gaffer
There such things as radar reflection decoys.

If the drone has telemetry tied into a data stream consisting of our own hacked GPS data, they wouldn't need it. The Chinese aren't stupid.

42 posted on 05/08/2014 10:56:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Carry_Okie
At mach 10, 35 knots is standing still.

To put it in perspective, you have to be able to maneuver at mach 10 and your targeting has to be extremely good from a long way out. If you are driving a car at 50mph it is rather easy to pick the open toll booth. But try getting into that lane at 600mph. You are going to have to commit really early.

There is going to have to be a radar or IR sensor for terminal guidance. Radar can be jammed or spoofed, IR can be blinded with a laser. The ABM SM-3 might even get a kinetic kill on it.

43 posted on 05/08/2014 11:00:39 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Of course, but the scenario isn’t a complete breakdown of all defenses and own-ship GPS data. It is a tactical at-sea situation. If they had the own-ship GPS data, they could hit it in port.


44 posted on 05/08/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by Gaffer (Comprehensive Immigration Reform is just another name for Comprehensive Capitulation)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Obama will extend an open hand and the Chinese will love us.


45 posted on 05/08/2014 11:03:31 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Well, if U.S. ships are attacked and don’t have the needed conventional defensive weapons, U.S. military forces will use nukes.


46 posted on 05/08/2014 11:49:09 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Gaffer
If they had the own-ship GPS data, they could hit it in port.

Well that one has been done before, now hasn't it?

47 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: familyop

[Well, if U.S. ships are attacked and don’t have the needed conventional defensive weapons, U.S. military forces will use nukes.]

And China will suddenly find itself in an arena where its forces are hopelessly inadequate.


48 posted on 05/08/2014 3:27:20 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: ABN 505
Wonder how much technology was given to them by the Clinton administration?cjz,

LOL - great question... I assume our take (the taxpayers) was ZERO...

49 posted on 05/09/2014 10:21:49 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Are we finally going to get a smidgen of truth? - - Freeper Veto!)
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