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So George W. Bush isn't a monster, after all
Yahoo News ^ | 5/8/14 | Matt Bai

Posted on 05/08/2014 9:51:24 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue

If you've just crash-landed from the planet known as Kepler-186f and have no experience with the human life form or its recent history, let me just clarify something for you: George W. Bush was a divisive and unsuccessful president. Economically, internationally, culturally — you name the category of leadership, and the results pretty much range from disappointment to disaster. A CBS News/New York Times poll clocked Bush's final approval rating at 22 percent, which is about as low as you can go in politics without needing a parole officer.

You may get confused about this, because lately Bush is enjoying a public restoration. The Bush you read about these days is the kind of inclusive conservative you can deal with, a guy who bikes with wounded veterans, a sensitive portraitist of world leaders. A graphic this week on FiveThirtyEight.com showed how fewer and fewer Americans blame Bush for the country's economic morass, even though his successor, Barack Obama, won two presidential campaigns based on precisely that premise.

Bush's critics will argue that this is testament to how quickly we forget the past. But it has more to do, really, with how we distort the present.

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KEYWORDS: bush43; dubya; georgewbush
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I've always said that history will be kinder to him. For me, the first President that was close in age to myself at the time he was elected.

It'll be interesting to see how he's judged even 10 years from now. But interestingly enough, this article, from a NY Times writer essentially admits that his successor won by blaming him and that now, that blame may not entirely be justified.

Go figure.

1 posted on 05/08/2014 9:51:24 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Yahoo News is extreme hard left.
It makes Obama/Pelosi look like Tea Party members.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 9:54:27 AM PDT by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

A great honorable man who the left and media slimed as he was doing the right thing for America. Execpt he should have vetoed spending bills.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 9:54:44 AM PDT by ncfool (Hilary 2016 Procol Harum or Boko Haram. What difference does it make?)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“Obama may not ultimately be remembered as a great president (though he’ll likely fare better than Bush). But at some point, we should all be able to grant that he’s at least a good American.”

Then again, maybe Matt Bai is certifiable. Wow!


4 posted on 05/08/2014 9:55:25 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I have always liked and respected him.


5 posted on 05/08/2014 9:56:05 AM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
There were WMDs in Saddam's Iraq. Bush was right.

The Russkies' Speznast helped Saddam convoy them to Syria.

I think some of them made it to Libya.

By the way, where's Allegra?

6 posted on 05/08/2014 9:56:14 AM PDT by eCSMaster ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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To: eCSMaster

Allegra?


7 posted on 05/08/2014 9:57:38 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
For me, the first President that was close in age to myself at the time he was elected.

Bill Clinton is one month younger than W.

8 posted on 05/08/2014 9:58:38 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: eCSMaster; Allegra

I thought she was stateside?


9 posted on 05/08/2014 9:59:27 AM PDT by Envisioning (It's the Jihad, stupid......)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
George W. Bush was a divisive and unsuccessful president

Really? Because he looks like George Friggin' Washington compared to THIS guy.


10 posted on 05/08/2014 10:00:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TangledUpInBlue; GeronL
let me just clarify something for you: George W. Bush was a divisive and unsuccessful president. Economically, internationally, culturally — you name the category of leadership

Barack H. Obama IS a divisive and unsuccessful president man child. Economically, internationally, culturally - you name the category of leadership...

There, I fixed it.

11 posted on 05/08/2014 10:01:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: ClaytonP
Bill Clinton is one month younger than W.

Nice to see that Fact Checking is still alive and well in the MSM...


12 posted on 05/08/2014 10:02:11 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TangledUpInBlue

He may have not been a monster, but he was not a great president. That’s just being honest. If we want to move forward we have to recognize the deficiencies of the people we supported so we don’t make the same mistakes.


13 posted on 05/08/2014 10:02:30 AM PDT by StolarStorm
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To: TangledUpInBlue

bump


14 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:22 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The two purposes of this article are (a) spin for Ms Clinton and (b) begin the post-presidency rehabilitation of Obama.

Mr Clinton has certainly done a masterful job of rehabilitating himself. He is still the moral reprobate that he always was but somehow now he is looked upon as the wise Demoncrat elder statesman. Know what, he could be the wisest Demoncrat elder stateman - the competition is pretty weak.


15 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:24 AM PDT by bagman
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To: TangledUpInBlue

It’s easy to get your numbers up when the media isn’t hammering you all the time.


16 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: StolarStorm

Precisely why we must say No to Jeb.


17 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:32 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TangledUpInBlue

My approval of Obama will rise immeasurably once he is out of office. At the moment, Barack Hussein Obama is an evil, anti-American thug with the power to destroy my country, and no one in history has lower approval from me than BHO. Once out of office, Barack Hussein Obama will be an evil, anti-American thug with far less direct power. I’ll fear him a lot less when he no longer has the power to destroy freedom, and I’m anxious to finally reach that glorious day.


18 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:36 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

“Obama may not ultimately be remembered as a great president (though he’ll likely fare better than Bush). But at some point, we should all be able to grant that he’s at least a good American.”

I was reading the oped and not being too critical until he got to the end when he made preposterous assumptions about Obama and his legacy. Obama will decrease as times goes by, which is not the usual case in politicians. But Obama has been elevated so high by the MSM, that he really has no where else to go but down.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:47 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Simple answer is that they are paving the way for Jeb because the enemedia is scared sh*tless that someone like Ted Cruz could actually win the GOP nomination.

But don't worry, once Jeb is safely nominated, he will get the Romney treatment.

20 posted on 05/08/2014 10:03:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bagman

They want a Clinton vs Bush race...that way, Heads they Win, Tails they Win.

Bushes and Clintons are just two sides of the same coin.


21 posted on 05/08/2014 10:04:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: bagman

My biggest problem with GB was the enactment of the Patriot Act.

Although it’s also obvious that the act had been penned long before it was implemented, the fact that it was gave license to the joker we have in office today.


22 posted on 05/08/2014 10:05:21 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: TangledUpInBlue

Well, most academic historians are Democrats and have an urge to write hagiographies about Democrat Presidents, so Obama will get lots of mulligans and excuses. Maybe the academics will figure that the meme that “W was the worst President ever” is so self-evident that they won’t bother writing books about GWB, so the handful of conservative historians will have a chance to fill the gap.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 10:05:38 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Vigilanteman

Deep down they know there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the Bushes and Clintons.

This way, if for some reason Hillary flounders, they could live with Jeb winning. It won’t make any difference in the end.


24 posted on 05/08/2014 10:05:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I know, I was cracking up when I read that. “Ultimately”??? So in other words right now he is thought of as a great President? LOL!


25 posted on 05/08/2014 10:06:12 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The Media is currently rehabilitating the image of GWB that they destroyed... WHY?

Because the Elite want Jeb Bush to run in 2016 that is WHY!


26 posted on 05/08/2014 10:06:13 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: TangledUpInBlue

If 911 hadn’t happened, he would probably been viewed much differently. I wouldn’t have wanted to be in his shos for a second when those planes crashed into the towers. Everything changed after that. He was thrust iton a an extremely difficult and stressful situation pretty quickly after assuming office. I respect the man. He had to do whatt he had to do. I think some of our agencies took advantage of some of the legislation that was enacted and he took a bad rap for it. I don’t think he acted intentionally to harm The People like the current traior and liar in chief.


27 posted on 05/08/2014 10:07:50 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: TangledUpInBlue

The financial crisis happened at the end of the Bush presidency, so how in the world can anyone reasonably blame Obama for that? Plus, Bush was president for nearly 8 years before said crisis, so he rightly deserves some blame for it.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not defending Obama, because I think he was the absolutely worst possible person to deal with the financial crisis. He’s only prolonged the misery and made it much worse. However, I don’t see how we can blame him for creating the problems to start with.

I’m not a big fan of President Bush, but I don’t think he was all bad. For example, I think he’s an honorable and moral person, but he’s was no conservative. He did virtually nothing to reign in the federal government and he couldn’t articulate a clear vision of where he wanted to lead the country.

I wish President Bush well, but I hope to never see another Bush in politics again. They and their GOPe ilk are a big part of what’s wrong with the Republican Party today.


28 posted on 05/08/2014 10:08:34 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: StolarStorm
He may have not been a monster, but he was not a great president. That’s just being honest

How many great Presidents have we had? Washington, Lincoln, Reagan. Takes some homework to start coming up with them after that.

1) You are absolutely correct, and 2) We should never, EVER admit that.

Not so long as every Democrat President who comes down the pike can walk on water, cause the Earth to cool and the oceans to recede.


29 posted on 05/08/2014 10:10:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: CitizenUSA

The 2008 financial crisis has it’s roots in Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and all the bad loans they were forced to make under the Clinton Administration so IDIOTS that couldn’t afford a cardboard box were allowed to get loans for homes.

Dodd should be tried for Treason.


30 posted on 05/08/2014 10:12:56 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue (I have no home. I'm the wind.)
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To: a fool in paradise

bump


31 posted on 05/08/2014 10:14:57 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
But interestingly enough, this article, from a NY Times writer essentially admits that his successor won by blaming him and that now, that blame may not entirely be justified.

Actually, the article bashes Bush in all the usual ways. It only acknowledges how absurd the most ridiculous accusations about being a war criminal and conspiracy crap a lot of it was. It praises Bill Clinton while simultaneously suggesting that Clinton was even more vilified than Bush.

The truth is, Bush was great on a great many issues. BUT, where he went wrong, he went REALLY wrong (Government expansion, Education, Medicaid/Medicair, etc.) On National Defense, Bush started strong and wimped out when the winds turned. Had he brutally executed the wars, ie not letting sacred mooslim holy spots become forbidden targets and sanctuaries, a lot more innocent Iraqi's would have been killed. But it would have been over by now. Hell, had his father not stopped when the "Highway of Death" was shown on TV, Stormin Normin would have taken out the entire Iraqi military and Saddam Hussein and Iraq wouldn't have been an issue after 9/11. In fact, had we replaced the government in Iraq the first time, we likely would have had a decent foothold next door to Iran, which, back then would have been a serious deterrent and kept Iran in line (as well as much of the ME). They would still hate us but they would be behaving today.

In the end, I think W. Bush was a mediocre President that deserved to be vilified most for what he did in his second term. At one point we had both the House and Senate. THEN we took a hard left with all that power. It's politically unforgivable and the reason the TEA Party came to be. Bush fomented the conservative frustration but Obama has cemented the movement.

32 posted on 05/08/2014 10:15:27 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: CitizenUSA

The financial crisis happened because the Dems had taken over the legislature and passed bills that Bush should have vetoed...but didn’t, because he was busy being “bipartisan” and “listening to the will of the majority,” something that has obviously never mattered to his successor.

Curiously, the Dems have never gotten the blame that they deserve for things like the housing melt-down, etc. Bush should have fought back, but by then, late in his term, he was under such attack that he probably thought it was impossible.


33 posted on 05/08/2014 10:17:58 AM PDT by livius
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To: StolarStorm

He was a good president, but not great. Few are great, and most of us have seen at most one in our lifetime. The list of positives for Bush is fairly long. There are also some real negatives. He definitely exceeded his dad, who raised taxes, folded to the opposition, killed off the Reagan majorities and couldn’t muster a second term despite a significant military victory.


34 posted on 05/08/2014 10:26:24 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: livius

Yeah, guess it was that democrat controlled congress in the 1990’s that repealed glass-steaggle, refused to use their funding authority to put Fannie and Freddie on a leash, trumpeted the “ownership society” and appointed ben Bernanke to chair the fed. Oh...wait...that was the GOP teamed up with the democrats who did all that. Tell you what, just keep all that between us and we’ll pretend it was all them dems fault.


35 posted on 05/08/2014 10:29:54 AM PDT by Orangedog (An optimist is someone who tells you to 'cheer up' when things are going his way)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
My top 10:
  1. Washington
  2. Jefferson
  3. Reagan
  4. Lincoln
  5. Monroe
  6. Coolidge
  7. Cleveland
  8. Madison
  9. Teddy
  10. Fillmore

The first five were definitely in the "great" category. The second five were maybe "damn good." Andy Jackson would've made my list if he'd had the ability to distinguish between hostile Native Americans and those who weren't. But he didn't. What he allowed to happen to the Cherokee, in particular, was utterly shameful.
36 posted on 05/08/2014 10:30:37 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: CitizenUSA

President Obama cannot be blamed, but Senator Obama was certainly in the mix. Look where the economy was before the Democrats took majorities in 2006. Their collective agenda on the left contributed greatly and directly to the crash. Frankly, many magnitudes larger than Bush. Bush’s biggest fault lies in allowing the government to mangle the banking system for the left’s ‘affordable housing’ agenda in the name of ‘helping’ minorities. Obama was lockstep with Frank, Dodd, Schumer and the rest, and the right allowed that agenda in part to avoid the fight and in part because they are just as bought by the banks as the Democrats.

There is no one issue or stance Bush had that led to that crash in 2008. It surely wasn’t ‘tax cuts for the rich’ as the idiots on the left like to point at. If anything, the spending, bad monetary policy and racial politics in banking are the cause, and that’s at worst a 50/50% blame on Bush an the Republicans.


37 posted on 05/08/2014 10:33:01 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ncfool

“Execpt he should have vetoed spending bills”

In other words he pushed us further along the road to economic collapse.


38 posted on 05/08/2014 10:38:33 AM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
But interestingly enough, this article, from a NY Times writer ...

You bet that's interesting. The Left would love the Bushies riding high again.

The man was a complete disaster for the USA, the GOP, and the world. Live in Bushbot denial if it makes you feel better. I won't get fooled again.

39 posted on 05/08/2014 10:50:46 AM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain 2016)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

I don’t have a clue how the financial crisis originated, but I do know President Bush was in charge when it erupted in 2007. I also know Republicans held congress and the presidency for a period of time leading up to that point. They are far from blameless in the matter, because even if they didn’t start it, they didn’t do much to stop it. Maybe even President Bush knew what was going on and tried to stop it, but if he did, he couldn’t articulate it to the nation. That’s for sure.


40 posted on 05/08/2014 10:55:25 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue

He’s no monster. He was unfit to be president, left the country worse than when he started, and got the job because he comes from a political family.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 11:00:16 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Verbosus
Linking Yahoo and news into something coherent is a stretch. Consider that Mother Jones and the Huffington Post are their primary sources for most articles.

The introduction to the article was as hate filled as anything ever written about W. That much rhetoric, hyperbole and opinion in an introduction indicates "why bother" unless it's what you want to read..

42 posted on 05/08/2014 11:03:56 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Moonman62

Sadly, he was a liberal, big govt RINO like the rest of his family.

He was key in comrade obamatollah’s victory.

GWB is a disgusting pile of crap.

My apologies to crap....


43 posted on 05/08/2014 11:07:21 AM PDT by newfreep
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To: Tenacious 1

President Bush didn’t have the political backing to do what was necessary to actually win in Iraq, and he had zero ability to articulate what needed to be done in order to generate that backing. We won in WWII because our enemies were virtually incapable of continuing resistance even if they wanted to. I don’t think we had the political will to do the same in Iraq.

I don’t mean to disparage the troops who fought in Iraq. They fought honorably. It’s not their fault they were hamstrung from the beginning.


44 posted on 05/08/2014 11:07:59 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Clinton was the second worst president in history. Caused 9-11, and most of the success of radical Islam is his fault. He enabled China to rise as a world power by leaking (selling?)critical technology on our nuclear weapons and other military tech. Severely damaged law enforcement by firing US attorneys-illegally, allowing Jamie Gorelick to divide the agencies’ communication network, making Janet Reno AG which led to the Waco massacre, among other things. Encouraged all abortions, including late term. Illegally confiscated funds of, and illegally investigated pro-life organizations. Brought us NAFTA, which gutted the US economy, losing 90-plus percent of US businesses. Even if you ignore the many, many scandals, suspicious deaths/unsolved murders, he was one of the crookedest leaders this country has ever seen.
45 posted on 05/08/2014 11:10:05 AM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: ilgipper

I never meant that Bush was solely responsible for the 2007 financial crisis. However, he was the man at the top—the so-called buck stops here guy. When one assumes the presidency, one also assumes responsibility for what happens on their watch.


46 posted on 05/08/2014 11:11:06 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (We can't have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it!)
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To: StolarStorm

Great first term, terrible second....but much better than Kerry would have been. What do ya do?


47 posted on 05/08/2014 11:13:18 AM PDT by Phillyred
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To: Vigilanteman

Have to agree based on your list that W would not be considered “great”.


48 posted on 05/08/2014 11:14:13 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

bttt


49 posted on 05/08/2014 11:14:20 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
Yea, too bad the story is tripe...

Since one can make the case for liberty lost in the name of DHS, Patriot Act, His actions are nothing more than an abysmal failure.

Added the bail outs it is nothing more than a candy coated democrat lite administration, fraught with treason, and anti-constitutional power grabs.

After so much money that went to "too big to fail" corporations who the hell did it really help?

50 posted on 05/08/2014 11:17:20 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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