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OPINION: Russia Could Station Missiles in Europe in Response to NATO Moves
RiaNovosti ^ | 5-7-2014 | Aleksei Danichev

Posted on 05/08/2014 12:55:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf

Russia could deploy short-range Iskander missiles in the country’s westernmost Kaliningrad region if NATO decides to strengthen its military presence in Eastern Europe, Lt. Gen. Yevgeny Buzhinsky told RIA Novosti.

“Russia is a nuclear power,” he said. “If NATO becomes more active, we will deploy a division of Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region,” added Buzhinsky, who previously headed the department of international agreements in the Russian Defense Ministry.

US Air Force General Philip Breedlove said Tuesday that NATO will consider permanently stationing troops in parts of Eastern Europe following the increased tensions over Ukraine, Reuters reported.

“I think this is something we have to consider and we will tee this up for discussion through the leaderships of our nations to see where that leads,” he was quoted as saying.

(Excerpt) Read more at en.ria.ru ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: civilwar; nuclear; putinsbuttboys; russia; surrendermonkeys; ukraine
A move like that would put serious pressure on Poland and Germany, who this message is obviously intended for. The bear is reminding them that it really does have fangs.

Take note of this:

Franz Klintsevich, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense, told RIA Novosti that deployment of NATO infrastructure in Eastern Europe and in the Baltic States endangers these countries and Russia should diplomatically deliver this message to the leadership of these states.

“A serious object in the Lithuanian territory, any modern nuclear weapon – means Lithuania basically doesn’t exist anymore, and politicians should understand that, this is a serious issue,” Franz Klintsevich said.

1 posted on 05/08/2014 12:55:52 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

How dare NATO keep provoking Russia.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 12:57:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

We have the wrong guy in charge for brinksmanship.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 12:58:25 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

“We have the wrong guy in charge for brinksmanship.”

You can say that again....


4 posted on 05/08/2014 12:59:30 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

Smooth move by Obama canceling missile defense in Eastern Europe.


5 posted on 05/08/2014 12:59:34 PM PDT by AU72
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To: tcrlaf

Russian leaders will post junk weapons, but they’ll beat their chests and shout to the world about it in advance.


6 posted on 05/08/2014 12:59:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

It isn’t the weapons the are important. It’s the message it sends.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 1:01:09 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

8 posted on 05/08/2014 1:01:33 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: AU72

It does appear that the Russians feel threatened by Obama cancelling missile defense. Who knew that Obama is a master of foreign affairs?


9 posted on 05/08/2014 1:01:45 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf

And what message does it send that the military annexation of the Crimea does not? Message received. No one is impressed.


10 posted on 05/08/2014 1:13:53 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: tcrlaf

It’s obviously time to update the scrapped Pershing missiles and put them in Poland.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 1:51:56 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf

Interesting. Kaliningrad is that funky little Russian enclave on the Baltic between Poland and Lithuania.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 2:03:27 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: FredZarguna

“And what message does it send that the military annexation of the Crimea does not?”

You threaten us, we threaten you.

Remember “Just a regional power”?


13 posted on 05/08/2014 2:18:40 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
So, in your opinion, invading another country with agents provocateur, special forces, and stuffing ballot boxes during a "referendum" which you use as a pretext for a military invasion is actually less threatening than shuffling some missiles around when The NeoSoviet® Empire has plenty of missiles that can hit Europe where they already are.

No wonder you post all this piffle. You haven't the sense that God gave lettuce.

14 posted on 05/08/2014 2:30:42 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: Zhang Fei

And if they put missiles or bombers in Latin America? And there is always Cuba.


15 posted on 05/08/2014 2:32:01 PM PDT by nomad
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To: FredZarguna

Can you make an any more circular argument, that still means nothing? It says a lot that you miss the entire point of the article.

What does “invading another country” have to do with move/countermove international diplomacy?

I’ll hold my breath waiting for a LOGICAL answer. (Not so much...)


16 posted on 05/08/2014 2:35:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: nomad
And if they put missiles or bombers in Latin America? And there is always Cuba.

They already have ballistic missile subs off our coasts. Land bases are superfluous, except to deter invasion. No Latin American country is going to offer up its people as a human sacrifice, and even if all of them did, what's the point? Subs can get closer and are not subject to being overrun by local troops, which will happen if locals disagree with Russian policies. Cuba offered to host the missiles because it was afraid (and for good reason, at the time) that the US would invade.

17 posted on 05/08/2014 2:42:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: nomad

And when I say the locals disagree with Russian policies, I mean if the Russians attempt to use them for anything other than preventing American invasion of the countries in which the missiles are based. The fact is that basing these missiles outside of Russia makes them a lot easier to disable, given that locals can be cajoled, bribed or threatened in a way that Russia cannot.


18 posted on 05/08/2014 2:46:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: tcrlaf

Wouldst? Couldst.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 2:54:42 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 1rudeboy
"How dare NATO keep provoking Russia."

And if Russia was building serious military infrastructure in Cuba, how would the US react if it had a real President?

20 posted on 05/08/2014 3:41:49 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

NATO is moving nukes closer to Russia? News to me. And I thought you Russians keep telling us the Cold War is over.


21 posted on 05/08/2014 3:43:08 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
" And I thought you Russians keep telling us the Cold War is over."

What, now I'm a Russian?

And I didn't say NATO is moving nukes closer to Russia. They don't need to, they're already there.

22 posted on 05/08/2014 3:55:27 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

You sure appear to be one, with your relativistic bullcrap. Although I admit, they do it better.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 3:57:38 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You sure are an emotional unit there rudeboy.


24 posted on 05/08/2014 4:12:59 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

No, although I’ll admit that I jumped the gun with the Russian thing. Ron Paul supporters confuse me that way. Did you see what a great hit he was on Russia Today?


25 posted on 05/08/2014 4:18:59 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Mariner

Didn’t you get the memo??

Anyone not swallowing and regurgitating the MaidanPR/OFA/SEIU-style propaganda is a “Paid Russian agitator” now.


26 posted on 05/08/2014 5:28:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Moscow Center needs to train its operatives to read and understand English a bit better.

No one is impressed by this "counter move." It sends a weaker message than the original NeoSoviet® invasion of the Crimea did in the first place.

27 posted on 05/08/2014 5:53:58 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: tcrlaf
How could anyone be under any illusions? The memo that was send out in 1937 is still in effect: Whomever is the current enemy of the NeoSoviet® Empire is a Nazi. They will be Nazi's until such time as they become friends of Mother Russia. Then they will be brother socialists, until it's time for them to be Nazis again.

It's very simple: Nazis are whomever the Kremlin designates to be Nazis today. They may or may not be Nazis tomorrow. And tcrlaf will write what his masters in The Lubyanka tell him to write.

28 posted on 05/08/2014 5:59:01 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!)
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To: tcrlaf

Much like the rest of us are all Nazis, right?


29 posted on 05/08/2014 6:02:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: FredZarguna

I guess all that worship of Nazi figures, Nazi symbolism, and Nazi flags are just a co-inkydink, right??

Fool yourself, but don’t try to fool anyone who thinks, K?


30 posted on 05/08/2014 6:04:44 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: 1rudeboy

Is the BBC “Paid Putinista Propagandists!”, too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY&sns=fb


31 posted on 05/08/2014 6:36:17 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

No, the “paid Putinista propagandists” are at Russia Today. You should be familiar with them, you post their work often.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 6:52:32 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

I don’t follow Paul. After he came out in full support of Amnesty I wrote him off entirely...like the vast majority of GOP.


33 posted on 05/08/2014 7:00:26 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: tcrlaf
“we will deploy a division of Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad Region”

So what... ?

34 posted on 05/09/2014 2:06:50 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: familyop

“Russian leaders will post junk weapons...”

Umm, no. The Iskander-M is a mobile, multi-role strike weapon.

“The Russian Iskander-M cruises at hypersonic speed of 2100–2600 m/s (Mach 6–7) at a height of 50 km. The Iskander-M weighs 4615 kg, carries a warhead of 710–800 kg, has a range of 400–480 km, and achieves a CEP (Circular error probable) of 5–7 meters. During flight it can maneuver at different altitudes and trajectories and can turn at up to 20 to 30 G to evade anti-ballistic missiles. For example, in one of the trajectory modes it can dive at the target at 90 degrees at the rate of 700–800 m/s performing anti-ABM maneuvers.[4][9]

“The system is intended to use conventional warheads for the engagement of point and area targets, including:
hostile fire weapons (missile systems, multiple launch rocket systems, long-range artillery pieces)
air and missile defense weapons, especially stationary
fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft at airfields
command posts and communications nodes
troops in concentration areas
critical civilian infrastructure facilities


35 posted on 05/09/2014 3:03:21 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa
"Umm, no."

Russia also gave it to Iran and Syria (to Syria through Belarus). It shows an obvious signature, can be hit before launch and can be hit by western ABM systems before maneuvering in its terminal phase. And as I wrote, Russia tends to make inflated Iran-like Russian announcements about its weapons early on. It was not wise for Poland and Czech to listen to Russia and reject the ABM systems offered to them under the Bush Administration.


36 posted on 05/09/2014 2:47:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Justa

That’s also a Russian army weapon for use against ground targets. It’s no match for what NATO armies can do.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 2:49:42 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Justa

On speed, a Scud will go mach 5, but it can be stopped.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 2:57:03 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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