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IRS to Turn Over All Lerner E-Mails
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Posted on 05/08/2014 1:06:23 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

May 8, 2014 3:23 PM IRS to Turn Over All Lerner E-Mails By Eliana Johnson

Less than 24-hours after the House voted to hold disgraced Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner in contempt of Congress, the agency agreed to turn over all of Lerner’s e-mail and correspondence to a House panel investigating its targeting of conservative non-profit groups.

“While it is good that we are finally getting these emails, it should never have taken this long,” Ways and Means Committee chairman Dave Camp said in a statement, arguing that the e-mails are critical to his investigation. “The Committee will thoroughly review the Lerner documents and follow them wherever they may lead,” he said.

Republican lawmakers have been demanding the documents for months and, in March, Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa threatened to hold IRS commissioner John Koskinen in contempt if he did not produce the e-mails requested by the committee. Koskinen had told lawmakers it might take years to produce them.

The Republican-led House voted on Wednesday evening by a 231-178 margin to issue Lerner, the former director of the IRS’ exempt organizations division, in contempt for her refusal to testify before the Oversight Committee about her knowledge of targeting scandal.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: irsoutofcontrol; irsteapartyscandal; lerner; lerneremails
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Well about time..........
1 posted on 05/08/2014 1:06:23 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

I wonder what “all” will mean.


2 posted on 05/08/2014 1:07:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Sub-Driver

Probably finally finished shredding the bad ones...

Now the White House can let her hang.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 1:07:53 PM PDT by MNlurker
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To: lepton

All ... as in “any that don’t incriminate her.”


4 posted on 05/08/2014 1:08:24 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: lepton

“the agency agreed”

She getting thrown under the bus?


5 posted on 05/08/2014 1:08:57 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: MNlurker

...and the shredders will have “accidents.”


6 posted on 05/08/2014 1:08:58 PM PDT by alancarp
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, they’ve agreed to turn over all Lois Lerner’s emails.....in about 2.6 years.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:18 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Sub-Driver

How will anyone know for sure if they get them all? A lot of time has gone by; plenty of opportunity to doctor/erase the most damning ones, seems to me.


8 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:31 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Anyone who believes ALL emails will be turned over is living in a dream world.

Any damn'ing emails between Lerner and Obama or Lerner and any other "high level" government operatives have been removed.

Sure, one or two emails that indict Lerner but don't indict anyone else may be left (just to satisfy the easily distracted) but beyond that ..... YAWN.

The Obama Administration has covered up another scandal. When Obama told O'Reilly "not a smidge" of IRS corruption during his Superbowl interview, Obama KNEW the files were being cleansed.

9 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:43 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sub-Driver

Which means she used a yahoo account for the worst ones.


10 posted on 05/08/2014 1:10:50 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Sub-Driver

Was she using other email accounts outside of the official .gov ones like the former EPA director?


11 posted on 05/08/2014 1:11:54 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Sub-Driver
Each page looks like this:


12 posted on 05/08/2014 1:12:21 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: lepton

ALL REDACTED.

Waddya bet?


13 posted on 05/08/2014 1:12:40 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: lepton

Here’s the problem. If the IRS did stupid things, like editing, some of the recipients might have kept paper copies. I know if I got an email that seemed to be asking me about something illegal or unethical I printed it and kept a copy. It is now normal corporate procedure to permanently erase emails after x days. I’m shocked they kept them.


14 posted on 05/08/2014 1:12:45 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: alancarp

Shredders? folks, E mails…it will be an electronic file.

Oh, some copies may be printed, but it will be e-forensics.


15 posted on 05/08/2014 1:13:50 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Sub-Driver

Don’t kid yourselves

There is a neat trick these government officals play

They create a fake email account, and share the userid/pwd with someone

Then they create emails and save them as a draft (not SENT)

The other person just looks at the DRAFTS folder for new messages to him that were never SENT


16 posted on 05/08/2014 1:14:07 PM PDT by Mr. K (If you like your constitution, you can keep it...Period. PALIN/CRUZ 2016)
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To: lepton
I wonder what “all” will mean.

They'll turn over everything they can find, whether it exists or not.

17 posted on 05/08/2014 1:16:39 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Sub-Driver

Full-body under-the-bus-toss in 3....2....1....


18 posted on 05/08/2014 1:20:22 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: MichaelCorleone

“How will anyone know for sure if they get them all? A lot of time has gone by; plenty of opportunity to doctor/erase the most damning ones, seems to me.”

No absolute direct way, but if for example she was talking to XXX and YYY 4 times a day and suddenly there’s a 6-day gap....very Nixonian, don’tcha think?

Not that they wouldn’t/won’t try it.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 1:22:23 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: Sub-Driver
In this day and age, every government owned computer should automatically archive every email, and all those emails should be available to Congress.

If my private company has the right to monitor all my email, and all my Internet use while using a company-owned computer, then the representative of the people should have the same authority.

There should be no reason to have to request emails from a government agency, but even then, there should never be a denial of a request to provide them!

20 posted on 05/08/2014 1:22:28 PM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: maggief; WildHighlander57; LucyT; crosslink; Liz

Mmm mmm mmmm
Loose Lip Lois leads to looser in WH


21 posted on 05/08/2014 1:22:53 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Gen.Blather

> is now normal corporate procedure to permanently erase emails after x days.

This has not been my experience.

I have worked for four $1bn+ hi-tech corporations, and we are required to keep every project-related, and policy-related email. Just to be sure, IT backs everything up periodically and puts it into long-term storage.

This practice has spared the corp from patent and copyright challenges, and has provided evidence in its challenges, on several occasions.


22 posted on 05/08/2014 1:26:27 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: Westbrook

GD Land Systems made this policy after the Microsoft debacle. If you’d read some of the astonishing things their managers said in writing you’d do the same. I’d read it was (at least at that time) becoming the standard.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 1:29:11 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Heh. We are also required to take annual courses in professional conduct and ethics. Managers especially.

But all emails are archived and all are encouraged to eschew and report any ethical lapses asap.


24 posted on 05/08/2014 1:33:41 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Shredders? folks, E mails…it will be an electronic file.

My money is on printouts that are scanned into graphical images. It's been done before (IIRC, that was one of the tricks SCO played on IBM in the Linux lawsuite fiasco).

25 posted on 05/08/2014 1:41:33 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Rennes Templar

She getting thrown under the bus?

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You beat me to it .... I was thinking UNDER the [political] bus .... even though DOJ won’t do anything with the contempt citation.


26 posted on 05/08/2014 1:43:39 PM PDT by Qiviut (Obama: A Caesar at home & a Chamberlain abroad, dividing the country & uniting the world against us.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Congress needs to bring in a forensic expert to audit the IRS servers and personal email accounts....

Every email leaves a trail...even the ones not sent but put in a draft folder to share....

They dig long enought they will hit gold....

...or they could just ask the NSA....; }


27 posted on 05/08/2014 1:49:59 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Sub-Driver; All

Why didn’t Congress just ask NSA for the emails? /sarc


28 posted on 05/08/2014 1:50:05 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: usconservative
Any damn'ing emails between Lerner and Obama or Lerner and any other "high level" government operatives have been removed.

barry never puts anything in writing that can incriminate him. Thats why he has so many personal visits to the WH by these people.
29 posted on 05/08/2014 1:51:18 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Why is Jon Corzine a free man?)
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... ...or they could just ask the NSA....; }

You beat me to it Popman!

Good work!

30 posted on 05/08/2014 1:51:32 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Westbrook

Yes, this is standard at most companies. I worked for MSFT for years and supported some of the lawyers in the anti-trust lawsuit.


31 posted on 05/08/2014 1:55:58 PM PDT by CityCenter (Resist Obamacare!)
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To: Rennes Templar

Lerner better start singing like a canary unless she wants to take the fall for the Kenyan.


32 posted on 05/08/2014 1:56:44 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: lepton

All that we want to turn over.....


33 posted on 05/08/2014 1:58:12 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sub-Driver

What is Lerner’s penalty for being held in contempt?


34 posted on 05/08/2014 1:58:31 PM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hoping some one from the Cincinnati office or some older career person abut to retire, will come forward and provide testimony of the corruption.


35 posted on 05/08/2014 1:58:41 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: Sub-Driver

For later


36 posted on 05/08/2014 2:00:33 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains
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To: morphing libertarian

Lerner has had to step on a few toes as she climbed her way to her position. Hopefully a few of those will get some payback points !


37 posted on 05/08/2014 2:01:03 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then or now)
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To: Triple

She has to kiss a man.


38 posted on 05/08/2014 2:02:19 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s about time, but what do they mean by “all?” The same “all” that the White House meant when they turned over all of the (non-incriminating) Benghazi emails?


39 posted on 05/08/2014 2:02:41 PM PDT by therightliveswithus
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To: Sub-Driver

Reminds me of the guy that went to the All the Fish You Can Eat Eatery and after he eats five fish and orders more the waiter says that’s all you can eat.


40 posted on 05/08/2014 2:07:15 PM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: Sub-Driver

Highly risky business turning over less than the whole lot. You don’t just have to avoid the mail itself, you have to scrub the logs as well. They subpoena the logs, find a record of a single piece that wasn’t turned over, and the administration’s defense case collapses.


41 posted on 05/08/2014 2:09:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sub-Driver

There is no excuse for any Government agency ignoring one of these requests.

Maybe there should be a law that gives Congress direct and unfettered access to ALL government email accounts at all moments (outside of specific CIA/FBI secret information).

If some Fed goon is writing an email that they wouldn’t want Congress to read then maybe they shouldn’t be doing it.

Basically, I’m saying that the Feds should live to the same standards that we do.


42 posted on 05/08/2014 2:09:59 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Sub-Driver

Barbara Streisand.


43 posted on 05/08/2014 2:13:26 PM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: dartuser

As in any that don’t list der Fuehrer’s directions in them.


44 posted on 05/08/2014 2:14:48 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: corkoman

Oh so you HAVE looked at classified documents before?...lol


45 posted on 05/08/2014 2:15:37 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: dartuser
any that don’t incriminate her

Don't you mean, incriminate the White House?
46 posted on 05/08/2014 2:16:04 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Mr. K

That’s also used by terrorists ...you know like the ones in government right now...


47 posted on 05/08/2014 2:16:55 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: hoosiermama

If it was the Clintoons they would have already bought her off. Let’s see what the Chicago street crowd comes up with.


48 posted on 05/08/2014 2:17:38 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: MichaelCorleone

After that they promise to turn over the REAL birth cetificate...


49 posted on 05/08/2014 2:18:02 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Gen.Blather

Government rules are different than corporate.


50 posted on 05/08/2014 2:18:26 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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