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Boy punished at school for refusing to stand for Pledge of Allegiance
KHOU ^ | 5/7/14 | Rucks Russell

Posted on 05/08/2014 1:32:56 PM PDT by Oliviaforever

NEEDVILLE, Texas -- Mason Michalec says he loves his country but just not the government. “I’m really tired of our government taking advantage of us,” said Michalec. “I don’t agree with the NSA spying on us. And I don’t agree with any of those Internet laws.” That's why he's taken a pledge of sorts to not say the Pledge of Allegiance with classmates.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: pledge; pledgeofallegiance

1 posted on 05/08/2014 1:32:56 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

I am only surprised it wasn’t the Mexican pledge of allegiance


2 posted on 05/08/2014 1:35:09 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: Oliviaforever

I stand with this boy not to stand. :)


3 posted on 05/08/2014 1:35:40 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Oliviaforever
If this had happend on Monday, he'd have been punished FOR standing for the American flag.

-PJ

4 posted on 05/08/2014 1:36:35 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Oliviaforever

Maybe he could just substitute saying United States Constitution for United States of America?


5 posted on 05/08/2014 1:39:34 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: fwdude

His reason for not standing for the Pledge is more justifiable than the illegal alien and anti war students doing the same thing.


6 posted on 05/08/2014 1:39:44 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

If the boy would actually make an effort to learn about the “Pledge of Allegiance”, he would understand it is not in support of the government but of the country.

People should be reciting the Pledge proudly in full understanding that it is a warning to our out of control government that we are loyal to the Republic, not the government.


7 posted on 05/08/2014 1:41:40 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: Oliviaforever

He refused to stand for the wrong reasons. He needs Re-education camp.
He can refuse because of a) military-industrial complex, b) Koch brothers buying elections or c) Republican treatment of minorities


8 posted on 05/08/2014 1:42:46 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Oliviaforever

I support him, although if it were my son I would advise him to pick his battles.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 1:43:58 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Oliviaforever

Pledging allegiance to the Republic does not include today’s government. It no longer functions as a Republic should.


10 posted on 05/08/2014 1:44:05 PM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: fwdude
re: I stand with this boy not to stand.

Me too, also,

Kid apparently does not realize that he would be pledging allegiance to the Flag, not to the government. THAT says more for the school system than it does for the kid. Kid may be ignorant, but probably not stupid. School system on the other hand has a teaching problem, which may be terminal for this country.

11 posted on 05/08/2014 1:44:29 PM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Oliviaforever

“I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”

We are not pledging allegiance to the current president or administration when we recite The Pledge. Frankly, things being as they are, I’m surprised it is even recited in schools any more.


12 posted on 05/08/2014 1:50:56 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: Oliviaforever
the 15-year-old

One pledges allegiance to the Flag & Country! ...under God!

13 posted on 05/08/2014 1:56:05 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Tupelo

As much as I consider the Jehovah’s Witnesses a cult, they still have their right to express their religious beliefs unobtrusively, and their own adherents are forbidden to recite the Pledge, for their own conscience sake.

If they have that right, then this boy certainly should be able to abstain as well.

There may be a point when all us conservatives are so disgusted with what this country has become, we’ll join him.


14 posted on 05/08/2014 1:57:33 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: fwdude

Yes, I thought there had been court cases on this subject decades ago. And I thought there was an established principle that you cannot be compelled to recite the Pledge in school.

So, I’m not sure why this is news, or if that school punished him in violation of established legal precedent???


15 posted on 05/08/2014 2:02:21 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Oliviaforever

It is a pledge to the FLAG, not the gooberment


16 posted on 05/08/2014 2:03:43 PM PDT by GregoTX (Remember the Alamo)
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To: DakotaGator

It was formulated by a socialist cleric.


17 posted on 05/08/2014 2:09:15 PM PDT by all the best (sat`~!)
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To: Oliviaforever

This has been considered unconstitutional since 1943.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_vs._Barnette


18 posted on 05/08/2014 2:10:59 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: GunRunner

When I was in 4th grade I swore off the Pledge, I didn’t (and still don’t) like the fact that the target is the flag first, arguably the least important part of the whole country, also the most malleable and most easily abused (almost everybody waves the flag around in their cause). But I didn’t make a big deal out of it, I would stand and not talk, wasn’t interested in an argument, just didn’t want to be allied to a flag.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 2:16:35 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: Oliviaforever
The pledge has nothing to do with the government.

You pledge your allegience to the flag and the Republic, not the current administration. If a person doesn't want to say the pledge, thats their perogative. And in my book, any such person is advised to get stuffed and take a flying leap at him/herself.

20 posted on 05/08/2014 2:22:38 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: DakotaGator

The pledge of allegiance was written by a socialist in hopes of encouraging state-worship.


21 posted on 05/08/2014 2:27:44 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: discostu

I Pledge Allegiance, to the Republic, one Nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


22 posted on 05/08/2014 2:32:23 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

I think it should list the Constitution, and the Republic which it built. That would be a pledge I can get behind. The Republic by itself has some problems, largely being that for all of my life the government that runs that republic has been the enemy of the people.


23 posted on 05/08/2014 2:36:34 PM PDT by discostu (Seriously, do we no longer do "phrasing"?!)
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To: discostu

“Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still.”


24 posted on 05/08/2014 2:37:31 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Rebelbase

It’s easy to slip in “...and to the Republic for which it stood...”


25 posted on 05/08/2014 2:41:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: DakotaGator
“If the boy would actually make an effort to learn about the “Pledge of Allegiance”, he would understand it is not in support of the government but of the country.”

The Pledge of Allegiance was created in the late 19th Century by American Communist Frank Bellamy to indoctrinate generations of school children:

At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the flag the military salute — right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it. Standing thus, all repeat together, slowly, “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.” At the words, “to my Flag,” the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, toward the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side.

The Youth's Companion, 1892

Frank Bellamy and the other American Communists sought to indoctrinate and condition school children to give their allegiance to whomever had gained control of the Republic. They assumed the socialist-communist movement would soon gain permanent control of the government and establish the Prussian authoritarian style of government controlled education they had failed to establish a few decades earlier with the organization known today as the National Education Association (NEA). They have succeeded very well in using the Pledge of Allegiance to achieve those goals. Meanwhile, the Oath of Allegiance which mandates a person to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, is being deprecated even as the Pledge of Allegiance is exalted despite the way the Pledge of Allegiance demands blind obedience to a Republic with or without the limitations upon the powers of government in the Constitution. This prompts the age old admonition to be careful what you wish for, because you may just get it.

26 posted on 05/08/2014 2:46:13 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: fwdude

Ditto. He loves his country, hates his government. Hold fast young bonebender.


27 posted on 05/08/2014 2:49:06 PM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: GunRunner

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America

Oath

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/naturalization-test/naturalization-oath-allegiance-united-states-america

The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)

During the Revolutionary War, the Continental Congress established different oaths for the enlisted men and officers of the Continental Army:

Enlisted: The first oath, voted on 14 June 1775 as part of the act creating the Continental Army, read: “I _____ have, this day, voluntarily enlisted myself, as a soldier, in the American continental army, for one year, unless sooner discharged: And I do bind myself to conform, in all instances, to such rules and regulations, as are, or shall be, established for the government of the said Army.” The original wording was effectively replaced by Section 3, Article 1, of the Articles of War approved by Congress on 20 September 1776, which specified that the oath of enlistment read: “I _____ swear (or affirm as the case may be) to be trued to the United States of America, and to serve them honestly and faithfully against all their enemies opposers whatsoever; and to observe and obey the orders of the Continental Congress, and the orders of the Generals and officers set over me by them.”

Officers: Continental Congress passed two versions of this oath of office, applied to military and civilian national officers. The first, on 21 October 1776, read: “I _____, do acknowledge the Thirteen United States of America, namely, New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, to be free, independent, and sovereign states, and declare, that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him; and I do swear that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain, and defend the said United States against the said king, George the third, and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents; and will serve the said United States in the office of _____, which I now hold, and in any other office which I may hereafter hold by their appointment, or under their authority, with fidelity and honour, and according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God.” The revised version, voted 3 February 1778, read “I, _____ do acknowledge the United States of America to be free, independent and sovereign states, and declare that the people thereof owe no allegiance or obedience, to George the third, king of Great Britain; and I renounce, refuse and abjure any allegiance or obedience to him: and I do swear (or affirm) that I will, to the utmost of my power, support, maintain and defend the said United States, against the said king George the third and his heirs and successors, and his and their abettors, assistants and adherents, and will serve the said United States in the office of _____ which I now hold, with fidelity, according to the best of my skill and understanding. So help me God.”
http://www.history.army.mil/html/faq/oaths.html


28 posted on 05/08/2014 2:57:05 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Oliviaforever

“One Nation under God,...Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All”

Is any of this true anymore?


29 posted on 05/08/2014 3:34:21 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Oliviaforever

A Supreme Court ruling in 1943 prohibits compulsory participation in the pledge of allegiance

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/319/624

If Jehovah’s Witnesses have the freedom to not recite or stand, so should this boy


30 posted on 05/08/2014 3:41:45 PM PDT by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: Oliviaforever

I hoist a U.S. flag that 13 stars arranged in a circle. I do this daily.

I will never hoist a 50 star flag again.

The test question is: How long will it be before I am charged with sedition?


31 posted on 05/08/2014 4:12:28 PM PDT by pilipo (GOP=Gutless Old Party)
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To: Oliviaforever

That young man needs to read “A Man Without a Country” by Edward Everett Hale. He might rethink his position on the Pledge...


32 posted on 05/08/2014 4:12:45 PM PDT by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Heck....had a good friend back in the 60's that didn't stand..or if he did..he didn't place his hand across his heart.

Some religion thing...I don't recall.

But no one ever said anything...Heck I was like 10 yrs old...what did I know? He was my friend...and was for many years.

33 posted on 05/08/2014 4:15:11 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: Oliviaforever
Mason Michalec says he loves his country but just not the government.

Idiot kid! The US Flag doesn't represent the government.

The flag stands for the people that live in the 50 states, and honors the original 13 colonies.

34 posted on 05/08/2014 4:20:48 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: DakotaRed
If Jehovah’s Witnesses have the freedom to not recite or stand, so should this boy

Maybe, but they should always be asked why they hate their fellow Americans so much.

35 posted on 05/08/2014 4:22:12 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Oliviaforever

I now pledge, “and to the republic for which it stood.”


36 posted on 05/08/2014 4:55:00 PM PDT by outofsalt (If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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