Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Search warrant: Missoula man may have been high when German student shot
The Missoulian ^ | May 08. 2014

Posted on 05/08/2014 1:51:17 PM PDT by Wolfie

Search warrant: Missoula man may have been high when German student shot

Markus Kaarma may have been under the influence of marijuana when he shot and killed German exchange student Diren Dede, according to a search warrant requested by Missoula police.

The search warrant also indicates that during previous burglaries of the Missoula home, unknown suspects had taken all the marijuana and marijuana pipes out of the garage.

Kaarma, 29, is charged with deliberate homicide for the shooting of the foreign exchange student, who was finishing his junior year abroad at Big Sky High School.

According to the affidavit, Kaarma and his wife, Janelle Pflager, had been robbed several times before and set the garage up to ensnare a potential burglar.

The garage door was intentionally left open and the couple set up a motion detector and a baby monitor in the space. A purse was also left in the garage.

In the early morning hours of April 27, Dede entered Kaarma’s open garage. Authorities have not indicated why Dede entered the garage, but once alerted to his presence, Kaarma grabbed a shotgun and exited the home. He fired four shots into the back of his garage, which was dark at the time.

Two of the shots hit and killed Dede, who was pronounced dead at St. Patrick Hospital.

According to the affidavit, Kaarma fired after the teenager attempted to make verbal contact with him. The affidavit also states that he told his hairdresser several days earlier that he had been staying up late at night to "kill some (expletive) kid."

Subsequent searches of the Grant Creek home revealed Kaarma kept a mason-style glass jar containing marijuana in a kitchen pantry, and a neighbor told police that Kaarma smoked marijuana in the garage.

A neighbor also informed police that burglars had taken marijuana and marijuana pipes out of the garage during the previous burglary.

A search warrant requested by Missoula Police Detective Dean Chrestenson and signed by District Court Judge Karen Townsend allowed law enforcement to take a blood sample from Kaarma on April 28, while he was in the Missoula County jail pending bail.

It's anticipated that the results of the blood draw will be available within a month.

On Tuesday, Kaarma's attorney said he is still investigating the allegation of marijuana use. Attorney Paul Ryan has indicated his client will plead not guilty.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; burglary; cannabis; dede; dirandede; diren; donutwatch; garagehopping; marijuana; markuskaarma; muslim; muslims; shooting; turkey

1 posted on 05/08/2014 1:51:17 PM PDT by Wolfie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

Kaarma gonna get some Karma?


2 posted on 05/08/2014 1:56:08 PM PDT by Gamecock (The covenant is a stunning blend of law and love. (TK))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

Bad Kaarma.


3 posted on 05/08/2014 1:56:19 PM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

They still have not explained what Dede was doing in Kaarma’s garage...


4 posted on 05/08/2014 1:56:43 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie
Nah, no way, weed makes you mellow that's what they all say. So if he was under the influence of marijuana it just proves that the kid he shot must have been extra aggressive, right?

NO, I will not tag it, if you can't figure it out on your own then I'm sorry for you.

5 posted on 05/08/2014 1:58:11 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Little Ray

Looking for love in all the wrong places.


6 posted on 05/08/2014 2:01:05 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie
Guys who have hairdressers shouldn't own shotguns.

That said, there is an interesting article in Der Spiegel about the boy who was killed written from the European perspective.

7 posted on 05/08/2014 2:01:58 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie
"According to the affidavit, Kaarma fired after the teenager attempted to make verbal contact with him."

It's not likely that a burglar would try to talk to occupants.

"The affidavit also states that he told his hairdresser several days earlier that he had been staying up late at night to "kill some (expletive) kid.""

"Hairdresser," eh? He must be a liberaltarian.


8 posted on 05/08/2014 2:01:59 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

He’s not German, he’s Turkish, resident in Germany.


9 posted on 05/08/2014 2:02:34 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

any prescription drugs found?


10 posted on 05/08/2014 2:11:35 PM PDT by ▀udda▀udd
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mac_truck

Interesting that Der Spiegel does not use the last name of the burglar. They only identify the perp as Diren D.

Apparently the perp liked the freedom of America. He just didn’t know anything about accepting the responsibilities of his own actions.


11 posted on 05/08/2014 2:37:29 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

On general principles it is impossible that the shooter was high when he shoot the burglar. Everyone knows that those high on drugs are filled with love and peace and cannot under any circumstances pull a trigger. Like WOW Man!


12 posted on 05/08/2014 2:39:46 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“Shoot” in my previous post should be “shot.”


13 posted on 05/08/2014 2:41:29 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: mac_truck

Thanks for the link. Interesting read.


14 posted on 05/08/2014 2:44:10 PM PDT by windcliff
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie
Really, they're blaming this one on pot?

Will they also be checking to see if there was a 1/2 bottle of Whiskey on the counter?

The guy was certainly nuts before this happened.

15 posted on 05/08/2014 2:49:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mac_truck
Thanks for the link. If not posted, you should. From the article:

But Diren's death also says something about Germany. His family hasn't just received support from the public, they have also been confronted with hostility. The Hamburg football club FC Teutonia 05, which many have confused with Diren's club due to the similarity of its name, had to turn off the comment function on its website after a multitude of xenophobic postings. Diren's friends, who have been collecting donations, have been told by passersby that "the Turk" deserved to be shot to death. What, after all, was he doing in that garage?

16 posted on 05/08/2014 2:50:57 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

“And, he says, nobody talks about a trend that has been present in American towns and suburbs for years: garage hopping. As a rule, it involves going into neighbors’ garages to steal beer out of refrigerators many Americans keep there for alcoholic beverages.”

Ummmm....I’m a 56 year old natural born citizen of the USA, and I’ll be darned if I have ever heard of this quaint old custom!


17 posted on 05/08/2014 3:01:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I sooooo miss America!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Stuff happens but it is very hard to be angry or sad with pot.

I knew a kid who’s grandma was killed by medical negligence. He was thinking of shooting the doctor every waking moment and couldn’t sleep because of anger. Then he smoked pot and said he instantly didn’t feel any anger at all.


18 posted on 05/08/2014 3:03:32 PM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: varyouga

I know the only times I’ve ever been really angry is when I was about 1/2 through a good bottle.


19 posted on 05/08/2014 3:08:33 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: varyouga

So the results of pot smoking are unpredictable; i.e. some will kill their neighbors and others will not?


20 posted on 05/08/2014 3:09:53 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; Mastador1
Interesting.

So a guy who likes to smoke pot in his garage should just take being burglarized or it proves pot is bad?

Laying in wait is frowned upon. Still, another ol’ boy recently did the same and there is no indication he was smoking pot. Just fed up with richard cranium breaking into his house.

21 posted on 05/08/2014 3:16:01 PM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Mr Rogers
Breaking, entering, burglarizing with the intent to steal property. That's the nature of "garage hopping". Acute lead poisoning is a likely consequence.
22 posted on 05/08/2014 3:17:34 PM PDT by Myrddin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Mr Rogers
Clearly you've led a very sheltered life. Guess I have, too. I've never heard of it either. Maybe I should check with the recovering juvie delinquent next door. He used to be into all kinds of things.
23 posted on 05/08/2014 3:20:04 PM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: MileHi; familyop; Wolfie; Myrddin

University of Montana Muslim Student Association president Salvatore Farrara, whose given name is Nooriddeen, said that his Muslim organization is providing support to Dede’s father ..

Dede’s father: Celal said that the family plans a burial in Turkey..

http://missoulian.com/news/local/consulate-seeks-justice-for-german-student-killed-in-missoula/article_0de93402-d081-11e3-91a5-0019bb2963f4.html

Diren Dede , exchange student of Turkish descent , was committing a felony, if not for that he might be alive today.


24 posted on 05/08/2014 3:28:20 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
“So the results of pot smoking are unpredictable; i.e. some will kill their neighbors and others will not?”

Well, nothing is 100% predictable. Not even sober people.

But I'd say 95%+ of people are far less inclined to be angry or violent on pot. Maybe 4%+ stay the same and a very very small group actually become more angry. I've met hundreds of pot smokers and nobody has ever heard of anyone becoming directly violent from it.

Booze is FAR more likely to directly incite aggression and violence. Countless people I've met become violent 100% of the time they get drunk and have domestic violence rap-sheets a mile long. Two of them actually stopped drinking and switched to pot which eliminated the violence.

25 posted on 05/08/2014 3:29:20 PM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: george76
Hmmm. So it might be the breaking and entering/trespassing that caused the problem?
26 posted on 05/08/2014 3:37:23 PM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: varyouga
I know, I know, drugs and the state induced by their use are totally benign. Druggies are genuine geniuses, never have accidents, all diseases are immediately cured upon the inhalation of one drag off of a marijuana cigarette and multiple trillions are saved in state revenues. Druggies never kill intentionally or accidentally, they do not lie, cheat or steal to get their drugs and paradise on earth will result if only the bad old rest of us would give the druggies their chance to have unfettered use.

I tend to believe that those supportive of unlimited drug use are addicted. Druggies need unfettered access to their favorite drug. They have tried all manner of stories to get to those drugs. They deny any problems just like an alcoholic, they miss work, just like an alcoholic, they suffer physical ailments, just like an alcoholic and the list goes on. Unfortunately the non-addicted will have to pay the freight and pick up the pieces of their fractured world.

Drug use is a harmful vice and there is absolutely no need for one more harmful vice. We have enough. In two states the accident rate has already "spiked;" but no, we need more harmless drug use spreading over our country. (Sarcasm!)

27 posted on 05/08/2014 3:49:15 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
I know, I know, drugs and the state induced by their use are totally benign. Druggies are genuine geniuses, never have accidents, all diseases are immediately cured upon the inhalation of one drag off of a marijuana cigarette and multiple trillions are saved in state revenues. Druggies never kill intentionally or accidentally, they do not lie, cheat or steal to get their drugs and paradise on earth will result if only the bad old rest of us would give the druggies their chance to have unfettered use.

When you start with a delusional straw man...

Hysteria is an ugly thing. It precludes rational thought. Just look at your tag line...

28 posted on 05/08/2014 4:09:24 PM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: MileHi

Yes


29 posted on 05/08/2014 4:12:32 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: JennysCool
Missoula man may have been high when German student shot

Bad Kaarma.

Bad headline.

Who did the shooting?

30 posted on 05/08/2014 4:12:35 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

I never said “drugs”. Only pot.

If the WOD was truly about safety and keeping society “good”, they would include alcohol. It is worse than pot in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY yet is sold 24/7 at driver rest areas and gas stations. Alcohol would also be far easier to control than pot.

But they don’t do it and that proves it is all an obvious farce to make certain people rich.

Government involvement in booze and drugs isn’t about safety. It’s all about “managing” and getting a piece of the profit.


31 posted on 05/08/2014 4:23:39 PM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: george76
Laying in wait is probably wrong and certainly unlawful, still I sense a growing frustration in a general sense.

There have been more of these stories it seems.

32 posted on 05/08/2014 4:29:02 PM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: MileHi

The family — Turkish immigrants — planned to bury the teen in Bodrum, Turkey, after a memorial service at Yeni-Beyazit Mosque .

This garage shopping Muslim would likely have been killed in his native Turkey, too.


33 posted on 05/08/2014 5:01:35 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: george76

Likely. But this story has so much spin potential for big government lovers on both sides of the aisle...


34 posted on 05/08/2014 5:08:45 PM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: MileHi

Dede’s garage shopping companion that night was an exchange student who has since returned home to Ecuador.

Ryan said Dede and a companion had broken into garages at least three of four times before the April 27 shooting, and the neighborhood was on alert after a series of burglaries.

Ryan said he received a transcript from a police interview in which the companion admitted to entering the garages. The statement did not identify the companion, but Ryan told the Missoulian newspaper he is an exchange student who has returned home to Ecuador.


35 posted on 05/08/2014 5:14:20 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: george76
In his Turkish homeland, he would have had his right hand cut off as punishment for theft...if caught by the police first. That's for a minor infraction.

My father was XO at 32nd St Naval Station San Diego (1970-1977). He received a call from the commanding officer of a Turkish vessel berthed at 32nd St. The CO was requesting permission to conduct an execution aboard his ship while still berthed. My dad denied the request. The CO then informed my dad that they would be casting off at daybreak to sail where they could conduct business. What act prompted a sentence of execution? A drunk enlisted sailor took a swing at the Officer of The Deck upon return from a night of drinking in San Diego.

36 posted on 05/08/2014 5:25:11 PM PDT by Myrddin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: varyouga

The arguments of druggies are all the same. They “feel” themselves to be unique when compared to the sober, which by the way may be another consequence of drug abuse.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 3:00:21 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: MileHi

Only the drug user is rational, calm and above the fray. All a druggie can use by way of argument are logical fallacies such as ad hominem. Trace the sayings of all the pro drug users on this forum you are not unique. You are all the same. The druggie is defending a vice. Amazing!


38 posted on 05/09/2014 3:04:35 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

You haven’t explained why alcohol and tobacco are legal if government control of drugs is about public safety.

That’s a reasonable argument that proves government hypocrisy 100%. All you have is “you’re a druggie” when I am for making ALL drugs illegal. Most people who try illegal drugs the first time are under the influence of alcohol at a party. Alcohol is the true gateway drug.

Either all dangerous drugs should be legal or all illegal. Otherwise it’s a racket to make money for certain people while taking our rights.


39 posted on 05/09/2014 4:58:29 AM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Pot is the drug of peace.

You can tell by how sweet, calm and gentle your critics here are today.

Just don’t get between them and their stash. Or their Cheetos.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 5:18:23 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Wolfie

Reefer Madness.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 5:20:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
All a druggie can use by way of argument are logical fallacies such as ad hominem.

LOL! Project much?

42 posted on 05/09/2014 8:16:44 AM PDT by MileHi
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Unpredictable...a lot like people that don’t smoke it


43 posted on 05/09/2014 8:55:27 AM PDT by redhawk.44mag
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Fightin Whitey

You got it. Notice how they all write the same arguments. I am starting to think they are addicted. I’ll bet they can’t stop, using their drugs; they are just like the drunk who says “I can stop anytime!” They can’t!


44 posted on 05/09/2014 11:20:03 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: varyouga

I don’t have to explain anything. Drug use is a vice effecting public health, morals and safety and we don’t need one more vice hurting our society.


45 posted on 05/09/2014 11:21:59 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
“I don’t have to explain anything. Drug use is a vice effecting public health, morals and safety and we don’t need one more vice hurting our society.”

Yes, you do. You are defending the current policy so explain how it is not hypocritical based on your point of view of “health, morals and safety”.

Alcohol has been disastrous for public health, morals and safety in every possible way. Think of all the violence, rapes, accidents and body rot resulting from it. Plus it is a gateway to illegal drugs.

Tobacco kills more people than every illegal drug, alcohol and Rx drug COMBINED! Alcohol and tobacco would be far easier to control than pot so why don't they target it too? Why do they sell those drugs at every corner store 24/7 to people as young as 18?

Because the WOD is NOT about health, safety or morals. It is a racket to create a feeding trough for countless connected pigs. The connected people continue to sell illegal drugs at artificially high prices while we lose our privacy rights just keep those prices sky high. Government arms and protects the cartels while busting their competition. They seize competitor's assets and demand more WOD funding to line their own pockets. Over $1 TRILLION has been spent and you can still buy any drug you want in any city within 1 hour. Why? Because the "right" people will always sell them.

Government also allows big pharma to sell addictive drugs to CHILDREN for school. Many schools mandate it now. Your child can be prescribed METH and become addicted for life! Then they can sit around on welfare and have their addictive drugs delivered and paid by the taxpayer for life! 80% of heroin addicts today started with Rx drugs.

The addicts you are are afraid will drain society are already here! They are just hidden in housing projects getting their government approved drugs delivered on your dime. Slowly draining taxpayer dollars and sending it to big pharma.

It's 100% corruption. Just like everything our government has been doing since at least the early 20th century. Prohibition is a noble cause and I agree with it. However, it ALWAYS becomes corrupt due to the insane profit involved. Imagine the corruption during alcohol prohibition. Now multiply the profit by 10,000 in a global world. That is the WOD today. The best we can do is end it, kill the profits, treat/house the 2% of addicts (at half the cost of prison) and salvage what remains of our rights. Before it is too late...

46 posted on 05/09/2014 12:12:29 PM PDT by varyouga
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Mr Rogers

Hank HIll does it. Keep beer in the garage, that is.


47 posted on 05/09/2014 4:20:55 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson