Posted on 05/09/2014 6:47:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I used to work right next to this Toyota plant.
It’s not just the Toyota plant that will shut down but all the peripheral business around it — restaurants, cafes, shopping, etc. that surrounded Toyota and depended on Toyota employees for THEIR business.
The media and pols are busy explaining it away, as usual without looking at THEIR policies that caused this - and MANY other businesses to leave this sinking ship.
My brother owns a business and has been approached by representatives from Idaho, Arizona and Texas. He said he’d go but he’s near retirement and wants to sell the business and stay in California.
I currently have a job. I work at a large corporation.
It is quite large.
However for the last 10 years, the corporation has not been hiring in North America. We have in fact, been laying off hundreds here. Perhaps even more than that.
We still have quite a presence here, but always now, the tendency is toward ever more globalization.
Always. Hire in foreign countries.
I am perhaps biased as a result, but we need to hire here in America.
We have outsourced quite enough.
Bring back American jobs.
stay in Kalipornia? egads
And so, WHY is that hiring and job shift out of America occurring?
Use a little bit of critical thinking / root cause analysis.
Once the reasons become obvious, what others have been trying to tell you may sound less like an excuse.
yeah, it’s getting harder and harder to stay in this Communist hell as a producer. Latest thing is they want to turn all of our freeways into toll lanes but “only if the people want.” Yeah, right.
We have elderly relatives here. They’ll never leave.
I’m just saying I’m getting much less understanding about the reasons businesses of various kinds are abandoning America.
We need jobs.
America needs jobs. Government may need to get involved, I do not want government to get involved but I do not want our jobs to vanish either.
Something needs to change now.
We are in the shape we are in BECAUSE govt got involved. Thats no excuse, that is fact.
America does need jobs, good productive, technical, manufacturing jobs. Too bad we have been so busy driving them away. Driving them. AWAY.
What needs to change is for the citizenry of this once free country to WAKE up and remember freedom. But that wont happen. We also need to repent, and that before God, of the evil that is prevalent in this nation. Not holding my breath for that either.
Jobs are needed. But the lack and continuing decline of jobs is not the problem. Rather it is a largely visible symptom of a deeper problem that is cancerously eating this country.
We fundamentally disagree on this issue.
I fundamentally it appears, disagree with the GOP, the democrats and everyone in power in our country, in fact.
Everyone is sending Americans industry to China.
America needs to stand up, bring back our own companies, and rehire Americans.
One or the other party will eventually pick up this agenda.
Or else a new party will form. I believe increasingly, the GOP and the democrats are both too in bed with those who have sold our industry to China.
So I believe the Tea Party needs to stand up now, and replace the GOP.
Bring back American jobs.
If a job was being done here for $200 per day and is now being done in China or India for $20 per day, what possible mechanism would cause that job to return to the U.S.?
What you are calling "American jobs" are now Chinese jobs or Indian jobs. There is nothing there to have returned.
The really sobering thing is that this process has not nearly run its course. American innovation, productivity, efficiency, and quality will protect some of our economy from suffering a severe lowering of the standard of living. But it won't be nearly enough to even slow the process, let alone reverse it.
I see a very rocky future for our grandchildren.
I think I see your problem right there.
Other than as a motivator, of what economic significance is the fact that "America needs jobs"?
Do you expect the shareholders of American corporations to consider your "need" in making their decisions? Why would they?
You remind me of people I talked to years ago who were confused by the difference between "the cost of living" and "the cost of labor".
Americans want, or "need", a high cost of living. They want cheap electricity, free highways, college for all, and free cell phones.
Unfortunately, "the cost of labor" is such that corporations needn't be concerned with such "needs" because such needs don't exist in many foreign markets.
Passing laws to restrict corporations from seeking the lowest effective cost of labor will not have the effect you are seeking. It will merely cause the economic opportunity facing such corporations to be transferred to corporations outside the country who face no such restrictions.
Just as an example, consider that there are no longer any corporations manufacturing televisions in the U.S. Do you expect Samsung to move jobs to the U.S.? Why would they?
You may disagree all you wish. That will not change the fact. Business has been DRIVEN from this country. By FedGov.
You mean bring back capital.
I read a recent study that put the true percentage of actual entrepreneurs in America at about 1-2% of the population. Given that small figure wouldn’t you expect their incomes to reflect their risk level versus people who’d rather have the “security” of employment?
It’s an oldie, but a baddie. Governments from the beginning of history have taxed and regulated themselves into poverty. It’s true.
You’re spot on. Think about the role government plays in keeping prices high. RE should have deflated, but government reflated it in all sorts of ways. So now home owners have been “bailed out” with low mortgages, yet they still have high principle. They’re geographically trapped. It’s nuts. Government spending couldn’t deflate and so you have the anti-free market response of lowered housing values, but rising property taxes. Those pensions must be paid.
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