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ATF quietly laying groundwork to expand multiple rifle sales reporting
Examiner.com ^ | May 6, 2014 | David Codrea

Posted on 05/09/2014 8:31:00 AM PDT by HammerT

A little noticed and virtually unreported April 15 notice posted in the Federal Register suggests the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives intends expanding the multiple rifle sale requirement currently imposed on four border states (Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas) to all states.

Titled “Agency Information Collection Activities; Proposed eCollection eComments Requested; Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Certain Rifles,” and assigned OMB Number 1140–0100, the 60-day notice abstract declares “The purpose of this information collection is to require Federal Firearms Licensees to report multiple sales or other dispositions whenever the licensee sells or otherwise disposes of two or more rifles within any five consecutive business days with the following characteristics: (a) Semi automatic; (b) a caliber greater than .22; and (c) the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

“Comments are encouraged and will be accepted for 60 days until June 16, 2014,” the notice advises. That means much of the comment period has already passed with most unaware it ever began. And the ATF website offers no additional information other than links to the notice and to various forms.

The question now becomes, especially with a seeming total lack of publicity, is ATF attempting an “under the radar” action to impose on the entire country what they previously imposed (over objections that could have been stronger) on southwest gun buyers and sellers?

“Now that ATF is saying straw purchasers are altering their behavior, expect that to be used as justification to expand this requirement to all the states,”.

Those wishing to make comments within the 41 remaining days the period will be open can find further information on the Federal Register proposal information page, and then click on the “Submit a formal comment” button — or you can try to.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; casd; rkba
Who didn't see this coming?

Next it’ll be reporting on just one gun, then all guns and hello! Registration!

And we all know what happens then….

1 posted on 05/09/2014 8:31:00 AM PDT by HammerT
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To: HammerT

DICTATORS cannot have an armed citizenry out against them.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 8:33:13 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: HammerT

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”


3 posted on 05/09/2014 8:33:27 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: HammerT
It's all those guns we U.S. gun owners are selling to the Mexican cartels that is the problem.

Oh, wait! That wasn't us! That was the FBI/BATFE/DOJ!

4 posted on 05/09/2014 8:34:32 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: HammerT
“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago, 1918-1956
5 posted on 05/09/2014 8:35:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Don Corleone

You can’t very well ‘redistribute the wealth’ without a monopoly on the use of force.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 8:36:46 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: kiryandil

We’re getting well past that ‘consent of the governed’ concept.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 8:37:37 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: HammerT

The current laww imposed on border states alone is unconstitutional.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 8:37:41 AM PDT by mylife
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Hmmm maybe there should be restrictions on the actions of the FBI/BATFE/DOJ?

Just sayin…..


9 posted on 05/09/2014 8:39:22 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: HammerT
Somebody bought this for $650?
That cant be just a good investment!
Call a Cop!


10 posted on 05/09/2014 8:43:05 AM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife
*Droll*
[Sorry about that]

That’s a nice compact set up that would be easy to hide somewhere out of gun grabbing hands…

Do they realize that we don’t necessarily have to keep all our guns in one place?

11 posted on 05/09/2014 9:00:20 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: HammerT

Comment everyone! They cannot do this without repealing FOPA 1986. This action is specifically prohibited by Federal Law!

They are committing an illegal act!


12 posted on 05/09/2014 9:01:17 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: HammerT

I am kicking myself in the arse for not buying a crate of 10 for $650 years ago.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 9:07:18 AM PDT by mylife
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To: mylife

I’ll give you $700! Meet me in the alley behind McDonalds!;-D


14 posted on 05/09/2014 9:12:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: HammerT
ATF: "Sir, we are calling to enquire why you bought a half-dozen Colt LEO semi-automatic carbines from Wal Mart last month"

Citizen: "My lawyer advised me never to talk to law enforcement without him present, but I'll indulge you. You see, I lost all of my firearms in a horrible boating accident last year and I am simply trying to get back to where I was. Unfortunately, I was travelling with them in my canoe yesterday when I reached for a beer , and lo and behold, I flipped the canoe losing everything I have bought recently. Good day!"

15 posted on 05/09/2014 9:15:09 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: BCR #226
Yes, spread the word, this is the tweet on the article:

ATF quietly laying groundwork to expand multiple rifle sales reporting http://www.examiner.com/article/atf-quietly-laying-groundwork-to-expand-multiple-rifle-sales-reporting via @examinercom

16 posted on 05/09/2014 9:16:03 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: mylife

What are those?
Looks like RPK’s but I’m not sure.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 9:27:27 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: BCR #226

It doesn’t matter what the law says in plain text. It is only illegal if someone takes them to court and the court agrees it is illegal. Not very likely.


18 posted on 05/09/2014 9:30:56 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

SKS


19 posted on 05/09/2014 9:37:47 AM PDT by MileHi
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To: mylife

You don’t want those old things. Not a single picatinny rail among them! Now, I’d be happy to take them off your hands...


20 posted on 05/09/2014 9:40:55 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: jim_trent

For them to win in court, the court would have to strike down FOPA 86. ATF better ask real hard if that is what they want. Actions have consequences....


21 posted on 05/09/2014 10:06:06 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: HammerT

Got to keep track of those potential militiamen out there, to protect the regime...


22 posted on 05/09/2014 10:57:58 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: HammerT
I wonder if it would be illegal to set up a "trust" or somesuch and have a single purchaser for [huge] quantities of rifles — a purchase of five thousand rifles by "Col. John Doe; Purchasing Officer, Militia of [STATE NAME]" might be hard to track… especially if we do things in the traditional American way: centralized stores of arms and munitions (i.e. public armories).
23 posted on 05/09/2014 11:08:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: BCR #226
They cannot do this without repealing FOPA 1986. This action is specifically prohibited by Federal Law!

If the Fourth Amendment does not constrain the NSA, why should lesser law constrain the BATFE?

24 posted on 05/09/2014 11:11:32 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: HammerT
Next up - Open and Gross Talking About Guns a designated felony.
25 posted on 05/09/2014 11:20:15 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: BCR #226
ATF better ask real hard if that is what they want.

Oh, they want it — they want it bad.
They [the FedGov] have been mapping social connections for a reason: intel, against the American people.
(See: Using Metadata to find Paul Revere)

Actions have consequences....

True — the question really is what the consequences of this would be. I suspect that they're trying for a gentle touch, laying the framework and then [trying to] silently repeal FOPA-86 rather than just out-and-out ignoring it… however, given the great success by the NSA in operating secretly and contrary to the fourth amendment [and arguably the 5th and 6th] they could also simply quietly ignore the law until it is far too late to matter.

26 posted on 05/09/2014 11:25:48 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: JimRed

Yes, you have to watch out for those folks who believe in freedom and liberty, they are a shifty bunch.


27 posted on 05/09/2014 11:46:54 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: Madame Dufarge
Next up - Open and Gross Talking About Guns a designated felony.

I actually suspect that the ACA [ObamaCare] will figure into this: what they can do is have violations thereof be[come] felonies through [perhaps] tax-evasion laws… a waiver form could then be presented to patients which essentially admits to these 'accidental'/'purely technical' felonies and waives the right to trial. — In this manner huge segments of the general population could be put into the "prohibited person" class, meaning that possession of firearms and/or ammunition is an actionable offense; this would provide legal cover for police breaking-in and arresting [or perhaps SWAT-ing] the more outspoken/influential of the group.

28 posted on 05/09/2014 11:47:29 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Don’t want to give them ideas, but I’m sure they’ve already thought of that.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 11:48:54 AM PDT by HammerT (The Commonsense civil right of Armed Self-defense [CASD], its the law of the land.)
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To: Billthedrill

Don’t tell anyone you can get cool couch-commando stocks with rails to replace those old wood things.


30 posted on 05/09/2014 12:11:20 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: mylife

Warry,warry nice!!! (in best ensign Checkov voice)


31 posted on 05/09/2014 12:17:32 PM PDT by themidnightskulker
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Crate of Yugo SKS’s


32 posted on 05/09/2014 12:24:50 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Billthedrill

Yeah they suck at $65 a pop.


33 posted on 05/09/2014 12:25:38 PM PDT by mylife
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To: OneWingedShark

They will employ any tactics necessary.


34 posted on 05/09/2014 1:38:31 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: HammerT
They've been thinking about it for a whole lot of years.

Their moment has arrived.

35 posted on 05/09/2014 1:39:58 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: mylife

Yu Go, boy. Consecutive SN’s?


36 posted on 05/09/2014 2:54:52 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: HammerT
I'm sure they have. It's just a matter of applying the right makeup.

For the children.

37 posted on 05/09/2014 3:48:52 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: gundog

Full armorers logs.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 6:10:25 PM PDT by mylife
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