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Deputies pulled off streets after guns fail range testing
Recordnet.com ^ | 05/09/2014 | Jason Anderson

Posted on 05/09/2014 9:16:48 AM PDT by aimhigh

The San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office pulled its deputies off the streets Thursday afternoon and asked other local law enforcement agencies to respond to calls of service after a number of newly purchased duty weapons failed gun range testing, officials said.

"We recently purchased over 300 Sig Sauer .40-caliber handguns, and during qualification on the range, a couple of them failed," said Deputy Les Garcia, a Sheriff's Office spokesman. "Our range master contacted Sig, and Sig identified a part in this gun that will potentially cause them to malfunction."

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 9:16:48 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

So. What did the Sheriff’s Office do with their old weapons? They can’t use what they were using?


2 posted on 05/09/2014 9:19:18 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: aimhigh

Love to know which model, every Sig I’ve had was absolutely reliable and bomb proof.


3 posted on 05/09/2014 9:19:19 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: aimhigh

It would be funny if mandated firing pin ID was the cause


4 posted on 05/09/2014 9:21:19 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Zathras
It would be funny if mandated firing pin ID was the cause

That would be rich.

5 posted on 05/09/2014 9:22:28 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says “shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
What did the Sheriff’s Office do with their old weapons?

They normally sell them to gun dealers. When an LEO agency buys .40s, used 9mms show up on the market.

6 posted on 05/09/2014 9:22:47 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Obamacare: You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Love to know which model, every Sig I’ve had was absolutely reliable and bomb proof.”

The more recent models have been buggy, not due to design problems but due to hurried manufacture.

Lots of people complain.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 9:23:33 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: aimhigh

Go Glock.

Stay alive.

Period.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 9:23:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I read somewhere else that it was a small spring that somehow made it so you can’t swap magaazines.

So you are a menace with a mag bigger than, (what is it now 7?)but officer safety can’t be on the streets with less than 15.


9 posted on 05/09/2014 9:24:53 AM PDT by thorvaldr
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To: Jewbacca

My new sig 226 .40 is sweet and has never had a problem.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 9:24:54 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Jewbacca

Thanks... most of mine have been P220’s and variants.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 9:25:12 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: aimhigh
The San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office pulled its deputies off the streets Thursday afternoon and asked other local law enforcement agencies to respond to calls of service

I wonder if this would've happened 40 years ago. Not the manufacturing defect, but a whole police force pulled off the streets because they wouldn't dare go out without a firearm. They don't even have a shotgun? Personal weapon? This is pathetic. This is the manifestation of a new theory of law enforcement that has absolved LEOs of accepting any more risk than the rest of us take when we leave the house.
12 posted on 05/09/2014 9:26:23 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: aimhigh

*Deputies refused to describe the description of the failed part, but some range personnel called it “female/queer limp wristing”.


13 posted on 05/09/2014 9:27:51 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: aimhigh

Sig identified a part in this gun that will potentially cause them to malfunction.”


Is that why they pulled the deputies off the street? Is that the part that will potentially malfunction?


14 posted on 05/09/2014 9:29:19 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: aimhigh

“An issue with the sear spring pin, at the top of the gun, caused two of the department’s Sig Sauer handguns to not fire properly. The malfunction was discovered on the firing range, but around 300 guns were already in circulation on the streets.”

http://fox40.com/2014/05/08/possible-gun-malfunction-takes-san-joaquin-county-sheriffs-deputies-off-street/

P226 in .40

http://www.kcra.com/news/gun-glitch-san-joaquin-co-officials-switch-out-weapons/25891042


15 posted on 05/09/2014 9:29:25 AM PDT by glock rocks (If you like your health plan, you're a racist !)
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To: driftdiver
I took my P238 to the range yesterday, and fired off two (2) magazines of my carry ammo (Speer gold dot) and the firearm liked them very much. (I fire off my daily carry ammo every 6 months).

Anyways, I switched to target rounds and had LOTS of FTF and FTEs with weak Winchester and Remington FMJ. Sigh....so I went upstairs and bought a Glock G42 and it ate everything I could put through it.

16 posted on 05/09/2014 9:29:59 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: aimhigh

Hmm...from the story, the officers were back on duty after exchanging firearms and a Sig representative is flying out with parts, so they know what the problem is. I’d love to know myself. Sig has an excellent reputation for reliability.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 9:31:26 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DCBryan1

I was at Front sight in NV and watched a deputy nearly shoot herself in the foot w her Beretta.
Scary!


18 posted on 05/09/2014 9:32:09 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: aimhigh

P229 carried every day. Shot 1000’s of .40 cal through it, including IDPA. Not even 1 single hiccup, ever. On the other hand, my Colt XSE is very particular when it comes to mags, and ammo. It doesn’t drink the cheap stuff.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 9:33:19 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: NFHale
Go Glock.

I am an XD convert. As reliable with less recoil, better grip and stock sights. I would like to get some work done on the trigger though to remove some of the slack. (just my opinion)

To date, I have NEVER had a single instance with my XD-45 Compact. And I admit to shooting some REALLY cheap no-name ammo through it. Shooting an XD .40 and .45 along side of Glock models is enlightening. It is a bit like the Coke Vs. Pepsi debate, however.

20 posted on 05/09/2014 9:34:58 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (My whimsical litany of satyric prose and pontification of wisdom demonstrates my concinnity.)
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To: DCBryan1

Just goes to show, there is never a bad reason to buy another gun.


21 posted on 05/09/2014 9:35:29 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
"What did the Sheriff’s Office do with their old weapons?"

My first thought.

They musta had Bloomberg destroy them.

22 posted on 05/09/2014 9:38:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tenacious 1

I also own an older XD9. No problem with it, other than the grip.

Glock fits the hand better to me. And I’ve also thrown some cheap ammo through it, hollowpoint, hardball, and it swallowed it fine and spit it out fine as well.

But I’ve carried my G19 every day for the last ten years, and to me, it’s the AK47 of the handgun world... ultra reliable, utilitarian, and rocksolid rugged.

I was just stirring the pot, heheh! Knew people would bite on it...I expect the 1911 gunnies to start berating me anytime now...


23 posted on 05/09/2014 9:41:13 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: aimhigh

The only Sig/Sauer which ever jammed with me was a P-225 and that was with a PMC 90 grain HP. I believe the ammo was more at fault than the gun but still made me not trust the gun.

I tried the same load in a Walther P-38 and it jammed a few times too. I eventually just shot up the remains of two boxes of the PMC ammo in a Browning Hi-Power with no problems.

I have come to believe that double stack mags are more reliable than single stack.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 9:41:20 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: aimhigh

In other news, household pets in San Joaquin County breathed a sigh of relief, and doughnut shops braced for the increased business!


25 posted on 05/09/2014 9:42:23 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: aimhigh

I do not think I have ever heard of a “failed gun range test” by a S&W Highway Patrolman or a Colt Trooper.
I know my Highway Patrolman has worked flawlessly for going on 50 years.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 9:42:47 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: aimhigh

I’m waiting for parts as we speak.


27 posted on 05/09/2014 9:45:08 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: aimhigh

Maybe someone at Sig is a dog lover.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 9:46:01 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: driftdiver; DCBryan1

“...never a bad reason to buy another gun....”

Well, to be properly dressed, the fashionable and well-dressed gunny should ALWAYS have at least one for each hand, and one to go with EVERY outfit you might conceivably wear...

This is just common sense!!!

You wouldn’t want something that clashes with your ensemble, now would you?

A nice brace of matched 1858 Remington New Armys goes with ALL fine gentlemen’s apparel, paired up with a fine leather bandolier under the sport jacket.

And the ladies love it...

:^)


29 posted on 05/09/2014 9:46:56 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale
A nice brace of matched 1858 Remington New Armys goes with ALL fine gentlemen’s apparel, paired up with a fine leather bandolier under the sport jacket.

And the ladies love it...

Top it off (or bottom it off, as the case may be) with one of these, and the ladies will like it even more.

30 posted on 05/09/2014 9:57:26 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: NFHale

They are fun as hell to shoot too!, and cheap at that!


31 posted on 05/09/2014 10:11:01 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Tenacious 1
Same here. Shot just about everything and got an XD40. Never had any sort of failure and fits my hand better than the Glock.
32 posted on 05/09/2014 10:14:35 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: aimhigh

A SIG failing???

The rivers are drying up and the sky has turned purple!


33 posted on 05/09/2014 10:14:53 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: DCBryan1

“*Deputies refused to describe the description of the failed part, but some range personnel called it “female/queer limp wristing”

ROFL!


34 posted on 05/09/2014 10:16:56 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: Tupelo

My S&W 625 used to have repeated lockup from screws backing out. I finally solved the problem with loctite.


35 posted on 05/09/2014 10:19:51 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: aimhigh
It's no secret that SIG Sauer is today a mere shadow of the company they used to be.

They're seriously off the rails on quality, and the most shameful thing about it is that they used to be at the pinnacle of quality and customer satisfaction.

This statement is purely my opinion, but SIG Sauer and especially SIG USA is today manufacturing at about the same level of competency as Taurus.

Hard to believe that SIG Sauer used to rival Heckler-Koch in quality and functionality.

36 posted on 05/09/2014 10:23:33 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Billthedrill

More like Sig doesn’t want this to stay in the news. CBP bought enough HK P2000s that most agents will be carrying those their whole career, unfortunately, exposure to salt water climates caused problems with a portion of the firing pin assembly that is not servicable by the user so the marine units switched to Glock.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 10:25:13 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: aimhigh

Local police use Sig 220s. Sig rep dropped off a new model for them to try.
Jammed often. Don’t know what model except they’re .45.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 10:26:19 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Tijeras_Slim
It's the Sig 226 and I'm calling them out for either poor maintenance/cleaning or operator error (maybe trying to load 9mm into a 40 etc.).

After all, this is Stockton CA.

39 posted on 05/09/2014 10:29:09 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Tenacious 1
Ditto, I love the way my XD-45 compact shoots. I still carried a Glock 27 because it was smaller and easier to conceal. Now I carry my employer's gun for concealed carry, HK P2000SK, and I miss my Glock.

The Glock doesn't fit my hand as well, isn't as comfortable to shoot, but it is tiny, accurate, and functions flawlessly.

40 posted on 05/09/2014 10:29:33 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

When my daughter was with the police, she used a .40 Sig. Loved it.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 10:32:15 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: dangerdoc
re: My S&W 625 used to have repeated lockup from screws backing out. I finally solved the problem with loctite.

Weekly cleaning, oiling and tightening screws may be one of the reasons, I have never had a problem with any wheel gun I have owned. A lesson learned from an old instructor many years ago, who probably never heard of Loctite

42 posted on 05/09/2014 10:35:44 AM PDT by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Same here. It’s why all but one of our now lost-in-a-boating-accident handguns was a Sig.


43 posted on 05/09/2014 10:36:28 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: DCBryan1

hmmm.

My P220s fired everything I put in them. .45 ACP.


44 posted on 05/09/2014 10:38:35 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Good and bad news for the dogs of the county.


45 posted on 05/09/2014 10:43:34 AM PDT by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Jewbacca
not due to design problems but due to hurried manufacture.

Absolutely the WORST mistake any manufacturing company can make. Shipping numbers over insuring quality will doom your profit, doom your reputation, doom your market share. This was a war I fought for 25 years of my career.

46 posted on 05/09/2014 10:55:16 AM PDT by super7man
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To: DCBryan1

“...some range personnel called it “female/queer limp wristing”.”

The reason the .40 Short & Weak was developed is because the FBI females could not handle the best semi-automatic handgun round ever developed, the 10mm. They came up with a weakened “FBI load” that became the .40.

A .38 special or 9mm in the head beats a .45 in the vest every time.


47 posted on 05/09/2014 11:07:05 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: driftdiver

Yeah, I don’t think it is the majority, but its enough that people have complained.


48 posted on 05/09/2014 11:11:01 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem)
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To: showme_the_Glory

I have an older model P229 and have easily shot over 2,000 rounds through it without a hiccup ever. I also have a drop-in 357Sig barrel that I also have shot a lot of rounds through.

I have used my P229 in advanced handgun courses and other training classes and it has never missed a beat and is my go-to weapon.

I’m very surprised at this claim of failure and will monitor what the problem might be?


49 posted on 05/09/2014 11:11:06 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Tupelo

“I do not think I have ever heard of a “failed gun range test” by a S&W Highway Patrolman or a Colt Trooper.”

A Colt Trooper is just a Python without the polished bright blue finish and full length lug. Early models were just called the .357.

I had a 4-screw Highway Patrolman that I sold to a collector friend.


50 posted on 05/09/2014 11:12:54 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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