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Legendary aircraft carrier USS Saratoga to sail off to scrapyard in 1-cent deal
Fox News.com ^ | May 09, 2014 | By Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 05/09/2014 9:57:38 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

The USS Saratoga — the legendary aircraft carrier that played a key role in the Cuban Missile Crisis, Vietnam and Gulf wars and made Libyan strongman Muammar Qaddafi back down — is destined for dismantling after the Navy paid one penny to a Texas firm to recycle the 81,101-ton behemoth.

The once-mighty vessel is the second of three conventionally-powered carriers to set to sail to the scrapyard, following another one-cent deal involving the USS Forrestal in October. ESCO Marine, of Brownsville, will pay to tow, dismantle and recycle the ship, which was decommissioned in 1994 after more than 38 years of service. Efforts to spare the ship failed, as they did with the Forrestal last year.

“[It is] emotional in that we who served on ‘Sara’ feel that our ‘surrogate mother’ is passing from our lives,” Sammy King, secretary of the USS Saratoga Association, told FoxNews.com in an email. “We owe her a lot. We went aboard as ‘snot-nosed kids’ and left as ‘men.’ Some of us are very sad and some are very angry at the decision to scrap her.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 1cent; americaindecline; cubanmissilecrisis; cv60; obamalegacy; scrapvalue; sweetheartdeal; thirdworldpower; unitedstatesnavy; usssaratoga; waste
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All part of this POS "Government's" plan to dismantle the GREATEST Navy to EVER set Sail! G*D DAMN ALL OF THEM!
1 posted on 05/09/2014 9:57:38 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

The probably idea here of the great obama is to get rid of all the conventional powered ships then declare nuke fueled vessels as treats to the oceans. I put nothing past the POS running the military now.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 10:03:03 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Amazing that Obama left the Navy an extra penny in its budget.


3 posted on 05/09/2014 10:03:42 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: US Navy Vet

I am sure they could have sold it to China for double that. (/s)


4 posted on 05/09/2014 10:03:47 AM PDT by jim_trent
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To: US Navy Vet

She’d have made a good reef.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 10:04:52 AM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: US Navy Vet

My one brother was on the Saratoga during part of the 2nd World war in the South Pacific. He served on the Enterprise also.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 10:07:18 AM PDT by depenzz ("Winning and grinning")
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To: US Navy Vet

I wonder, when they break up a ship like this, especially one with a long and storied history, do they tend to make some parts available for auction or purchase? I’d bet lots of men who served on her would be interested. Given the number of years it saw service, and the number of folks it takes to crew a carrier, I’d imagine the number of potential buyers would be significant. Then there are also collectors of various types of militaria who might be interested as well.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 10:08:32 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: US Navy Vet

I was in favor of naming our aircraft carriers after battles and traditional names, like Enterprise, Wasp, Saratoga and Lexington. I don’t like naming them after politicians. The first one was FDR.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 10:09:22 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: depenzz

My FIL was on that ship during Iwo Jima.


9 posted on 05/09/2014 10:09:54 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Ships have been scrapped under every government.
Very few have been preserved as monuments.

Fact is that ships like any machine have a given lifetime, shorter if they are used hard like carriers tend to be. Hulls and frames flex and are stressed, corrode, etc. Powerplants wear and deteriorate. Same goes for every system in them. 38 years in active service is a very long time.

The ultimate fate of nearly every ship is scrap, it is now as it has ever been.

This government is a POS, and has screwed up lots of important things, but this case is not obviously a screwup (unless there was monkey business in the contract awards, etc.) nor is it important (at least not to most people).


10 posted on 05/09/2014 10:10:49 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: US Navy Vet

Too bad they won’t sell it for preservation like the USS Kid in Baton Rouge. That frigate is in immaculate shape - all done over time with volunteer help. It’s a great learning platform for kids and adults alike - plus it’s great for 4th of July celebrations.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 10:11:56 AM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: US Navy Vet

As much of a militarist — and sentimentalist — as I am, I can understand how it’s impossible to preserve every ship that’s ever sailed. The costs are staggering and would do nothing but grow, year after year, until they consumed our entire budget and left no room for more modern vessels.

I sympathize with the sailors who are losing a part of their history, but it’s just evidence that the past can’t be bottled forever. The memories, however, can.


12 posted on 05/09/2014 10:12:07 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack

a penny seriously?


13 posted on 05/09/2014 10:13:15 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: US Navy Vet
In this case, I do think retiring the remaining non-nuclear carriers makes sense. That a should make carrier support operations easier as they will only need to supply food and jet fuel at sea.

According to Wikipedia we have 10 Nimitz class carriers in service today and the new Ford class having 3 planned, with the first to sail in 2015.

If we were not doing that, I would be a lot more concerned.

14 posted on 05/09/2014 10:14:06 AM PDT by 5thGenTexan
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To: Rebelbase

The Oriskany is...................

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Oriskany_%28CV-34%29


15 posted on 05/09/2014 10:14:32 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: CodeToad; depenzz

Not the same Saratoga.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uss_saratoga


16 posted on 05/09/2014 10:16:21 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: US Navy Vet

Why don’t we sell this ship to India? I am sure they could make good use of her. India is our natural ally in an increasingly hostile region.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 10:17:07 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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18 posted on 05/09/2014 10:17:47 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Mouton

This is a very old ship. At some point every ship stops being useful and can’t be productively refurbished. All US administrations have scrapped ships.

When its time to go its time to go.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 10:19:21 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: US Navy Vet

Don’t misunderstand, I wish there were a place for all of the big ships to have a home so to speak, but that takes a lot of $$’s.

The ship was commissioned in ‘56...served for 38 years. There comes a point where it’s no longer fiscally feasible to keep them in service, especially if we’re to launch ships like the USS Reagan and Ford.

I wish aircraft like the F117 could be kept around, but it’s the way of things when it comes to military technology and keeping an edge over your enemies.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 10:20:35 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: depenzz

Different Saratoga. This is the one commissioned in 1956


21 posted on 05/09/2014 10:21:05 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: depenzz

My one brother was on the Saratoga during part of the 2nd World war in the South Pacific. He served on the Enterprise also.

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That would have been a different Saratoga. The one that was active during WWII was the first ship of that name. My dad served on her as a machinist’s mate during WWII.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 10:24:33 AM PDT by wayoverthehill
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To: GeronL

Not unusual.
It can be expensive to scrap a ship in the US if one has to follow all the environmental rules, etc. A 1950’s warship like this probably is on the edge of being a Superfund site from the EPA’s point of view. This thing is probably wall to wall asbestos, just to start.
If there were some way to tow this to that scrapyard beach in Pakistan where no rules apply (expensive towing job, that) maybe there would be someone willing to pay for it.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 10:28:45 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: US Navy Vet

I live in Jacksonville, IIRC some years back there was a push after she was decommed to keep the Sara here and make it a floating museum...........the city turned it’s nose up at the idea. I always thiught that was a BIG mistake.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 10:30:51 AM PDT by V_TWIN
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To: US Navy Vet

OUTRAGEOUS!!

This ship should be preserved for the future - just like the Olympia, the Constitution, the New Jersey, etc.

That SOB in the Oval Office is such a revolting creature and so are his familiars.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 10:31:04 AM PDT by ZULU (https://www.facebook.com/freejustina)
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To: Red Badger

My worthless brother-in-law (If you know him he probably owes you money) was on the Oriskany. He was such a good sailor he had his own room, the Brig.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 10:31:12 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Sara.

My dad served her as an aircraft maintenance chief, on more tours than I can count with certainty. This was in the days of 9 months out, 3 home, smiles. Did my first dependent’s cruise with her, back when she was the largest thing afloat.

I can still see her on the horizon, (coming and going ;) as we watched from the pier at Mayport....Especially the last time, when she sailed out of Jax for the last time... It was amazing all the folks who came out to wave goodbye one more time.

Beautiful ship.

Never will forget her.

Godspeed Sara.
Tatt


27 posted on 05/09/2014 10:37:13 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: ZULU

This is not THE Saratoga from WWII.
That one was sunk in the A-bomb tests at Bikini in 1946.
This one was commissioned in 1956. It was in service with lots of other carriers, most of them since decommissioned, scrapped, or otherwise expended.

Some carriers have been preserved, but I don’t see why this one in particular. The US has scrapped dozens of carriers since WWII.

There are several other carriers from that era on donation hold right now, and up for preservation, maybe. - see status here -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy


28 posted on 05/09/2014 10:37:51 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: V_TWIN

Yup.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 10:38:44 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: wayoverthehill

My dad served on the Saratoga when she was bringing the troops home. Then she was blown up with a hydrogen bomb if I remember correctly.


30 posted on 05/09/2014 10:38:53 AM PDT by liege (America 180)
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To: buwaya
"This government is a POS, and has screwed up lots of important things, but this case is not obviously a screwup (unless there was monkey business in the contract awards, etc.) nor is it important (at least not to most people)."

Well, the one-cent price makes me wonder. Is that an approximation of the net difference between (1) the value of the scrap metal and (2) the cost to scrap it?
31 posted on 05/09/2014 10:39:37 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: liege

“Just” and A-bomb.
Two of them actually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossroads


32 posted on 05/09/2014 10:40:06 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Steve_Seattle

I don’t know.
I suspect that the government is paying someone to do the scrapping, on a separate contract, as the thing is probably considered a floating environmental cleanup problem. A 1-cent price just serves as a legal way to transfer ownership.


33 posted on 05/09/2014 10:42:28 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: Mouton
then declare nuke fueled vessels as treats to the oceans

I happen to think that is true, although I'm not sure it's what you meant to say.

34 posted on 05/09/2014 10:43:35 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yea!We need to have room for the next Ford class carrier.The USS Obama.

Now that would make me really sick to see a ship of that name.


35 posted on 05/09/2014 10:44:56 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: CodeToad

That Saratoga in at the bottom of Bikini Atoll.


36 posted on 05/09/2014 10:45:00 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Only if you noted I misspelled threat.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 10:48:48 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Haiku Guy

I doubt the Indians want a hull from 1956.
And thats what it would be, as by this time literally everything inside it would have to be replaced, rebuilt, etc.
Better new construction.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 10:49:41 AM PDT by buwaya
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To: US Navy Vet
All part of this POS "Government's" plan to dismantle the GREATEST Navy to EVER set Sail! G*D DAMN ALL OF THEM!

She's not even nuclear. How would saving her serve any purpose?
39 posted on 05/09/2014 10:55:30 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: US Navy Vet

How many 1956 cars are still on the road? (Outside of Cuba) The fact that there are very few left makes those remaining worth something.

If you were to find one sitting in a farm field somewhere, it would probably not be worth restoring to “like new” condition. If you were to restore it, the project would probably cost more than it would be worth when you were done. The same thing applies to old military machines.

If you were to spend $50M to restore this ship to like new condition, would you have a viable military weapon? There’s only so much demand for old ships to put on display.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 11:20:03 AM PDT by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: depenzz

Wrong Saratoga. This one was built in the 50’s.


41 posted on 05/09/2014 11:23:05 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: zeugma

Depends on the breaker involved. I beleive ESCO worked with the Naval Institute when they broke up some otehr Navy ships to make pieces of deck teak available on presentation plaques, and a friend of mine who once served on an LHD or LHP managed to get a 1-MC speaker, some klaxons and a few other items from the breakers when his ship was disassembled.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 11:24:17 AM PDT by AzSteven ("War is less costly than servitude, the choice is always between Verdun and Dachau." Jean Dutourd)
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To: CodeToad

Sell it to someone for a lot more than a penny—China? Russia? France? England? Brazil?


43 posted on 05/09/2014 11:31:08 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: zeugma

“I wonder, when they break up a ship like this, especially one with a long and storied history, do they tend to make some parts available for auction or purchase?”

I don’t know about auctions, but certain identifiable items — ie. the Ships Bell, dedication plaque, Wheel, etc. might be donated to a museum. Sometimes larger items like a screw (propeller) or an anchor might find its way as an outdoor display outside a base gate.


44 posted on 05/09/2014 11:50:40 AM PDT by Tallguy
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To: CodeToad

By the end of WW2 the “Saratoga” and eventually “Enterprise” became known as the “Queen of the Baby Flattops” because they provided night-fighter cover for the invasion fleets. Kamikaze attacks sometimes happened at dusk or at night.


45 posted on 05/09/2014 12:00:02 PM PDT by Tallguy
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To: ZULU
"OUTRAGEOUS!! This ship should be preserved for the future..."

Your comment is what is outrageous.

Spending federal money to preserve every ship that ever sailed would insure we could never afford to build one that could actually leave the pier.

And what about all the tanks, planes, jeeps, etc...shouldn't we make memorials of them too?

Just damn.

46 posted on 05/09/2014 12:34:58 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: US Navy Vet
All part of this POS "Government's" plan to dismantle the GREATEST Navy to EVER set Sail! G*D DAMN ALL OF THEM!

You are aware it was decommissioned 20 years ago? What would you have them do with it?

47 posted on 05/09/2014 12:54:23 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Haiku Guy
Why don’t we sell this ship to India? I am sure they could make good use of her. India is our natural ally in an increasingly hostile region.

Because she's 60 years old, worn out, obsolete, and has been sitting around rusting away for the past 20 years.

48 posted on 05/09/2014 12:58:38 PM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: diogenes ghost

I don’t know, by every account I’ve read Sara was a pretty special ship, with unusually strong affections and loyalty by her former crew.

The association that was trying for a couple decades to get her as a museum in Rhode Island, and apparantly came close to doing so, has made some noise that Sara was pushed aside - actively undermined - by the Navy and MA politicians so that the USS Kennedy (CV-67) would be preserved instead.

The North East already has three big museum ships with Intrepid, the heavy cruiser Salem and battleship Massachusetts, plus the Constitution and
assorted other ships. Basically they’re at the saturation point for being able to sustain all of them and the area simply couldn’t support two supercarriers ...


49 posted on 05/09/2014 1:07:36 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: US Navy Vet

State of Texas needs to buy it, we need our own Navy.


50 posted on 05/09/2014 1:15:31 PM PDT by 12th_Monkey (One man one vote is a big fail, when the "one" man is an idiot.)
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