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Police Shooting Frenzy Raises Concerns
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Posted on 05/09/2014 11:16:47 AM PDT by chessplayer

MIAMI (CBSMiami) – On December 10, more than two dozen police officers from across Miami Dade County converged on a blue Volvo that had crashed in the backyard of a townhouse on 65th Street just off 27th Avenue.

As the car was wedged helplessly between a light pole and a tree, nearly a minute passed before officers opened up – firing approximately 50 bullets at the car and the two unarmed men inside the vehicle.

The two men inside the car survived that initial volley of gunfire, according to witnesses, who said they could see the men moving inside the Volvo. Everything went quiet for nearly two minutes before the officers opened up a second time – unleashing an unrelenting torrent of bullets that lasted almost 25 seconds. By the time it was over, the two men inside the car were dead.

CBS4 News has learned a total of 23 officers fired a total of at least 377 rounds.

Bullets were sprayed everywhere. They hit the Volvo, other cars in the lot, fence posts and neighboring businesses. They blasted holes in a townhouse where a 12-year-old dove to the ground for cover and a four month old slept in his crib.

The sound of the gunfire was deafening – literally deafening. Two Miami police officers sustained ruptured ear drums from the cacophony of shots.

(Excerpt) Read more at miami.cbslocal.com ...


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Granted an officer was killed earlier, but they killed a man in the car that hadn't committed any crime. And the cops didn't give a rats ass if they killed innocent bystanders. And they didn't even give a rats ass if they shot each other, which they did.
1 posted on 05/09/2014 11:16:47 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Fortunately no canines were affected.


2 posted on 05/09/2014 11:18:29 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Holy crap!


3 posted on 05/09/2014 11:20:38 AM PDT by lonevoice (We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality)
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To: chessplayer

I am sure they considered it just a friendly fire incident. Sorry for the innocent’s, of the current crime, demise.

In a similar situation years ago in Florida, a cop killer was surrounded by the police who shot him something like 65 times. The press asked the sheriff why they shot they guy that number of times and he responded: because that was all the bullets they had.

Both incidents tell me: don’t cross the police these days.


4 posted on 05/09/2014 11:22:40 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: chessplayer

This is what happens when law enforcement officers and their cabal are permitted to legally cover each other’s asses by simply stating that they were in fear for their lives.

There’s absolutely zero justification for this type of behavior. This is a perfect illustration of how faulty and imperfect are our law enforcement departments around the country while government hacks say that average gun owning citizens are not “qualified” to own firearms.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 11:22:59 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: chessplayer

Incompetent, murderous savages.

...and that’s just the cops.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 11:23:10 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: chessplayer

Uh, Hillary, do innocent citizens not need guns.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 11:23:19 AM PDT by taterjay
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To: chessplayer
But no officers were hurt by the unarmed men trapped in the vehicle. /s

Why haven't all the officers involved been indicted for double homicide?

Because they're partners with the prosecutors.

It's cops + prosecutors + all public employees vs. the rest of us serfs.

8 posted on 05/09/2014 11:24:27 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: chessplayer

Bookmark


9 posted on 05/09/2014 11:25:29 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: chessplayer

Cops have become sworn enemies of America.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 11:26:21 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Mouton

They shot the guy 87 times but he deserved it. He ambushed two cops and was hiding out in very thick brush waiting for a chance to kill more cops. He was armed and certainly not helpless.

Not a good parrallel with this case.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 11:26:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: chessplayer; Alaska Wolf; TexasFreeper2009; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou
JBT Ping list

(A different instance where hundreds of rounds were fired at unarmed civilians)

12 posted on 05/09/2014 11:27:17 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: chessplayer
Senior commanders admit they are very lucky more officers weren’t seriously hurt or killed. Even more haunting is the danger the residents in the area faced.

It's obvious all those cops did not find the danger to the public haunting. It is clear to me that all they cared about was avenging "one of their own", and they did not care how many innocent members of the public were injured or killed in the process.

Every single officer who fired his or her weapon that night needs to be charged with murder.

13 posted on 05/09/2014 11:28:26 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: WayneS

Assuming the story is accurate, of course....


14 posted on 05/09/2014 11:29:01 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: chessplayer

But what police didn’t realize before they started shooting at the Volvo is there was a second man in the car – Corsini Valdes – who had committed no crime.

And in fact, as CBS4 News was the first to report, both men inside the Volvo were unarmed at the time police caught up with them. All of the gunfire came from police.

Montesano and Valdes were killed by the dozens of rounds that tore through their bodies.

But Montesano and Valdes weren’t the only ones struck – two Miami Dade police officers were hit as well – caught in the crossfire

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Wow....These types of stories just keep coming on a regular basis..


15 posted on 05/09/2014 11:29:08 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: WayneS

A complete lack of discipline should get a bunch fired even before the shooting.


16 posted on 05/09/2014 11:30:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Paladin2
True.

If there had been a dog or two in the yard where the Volvo crashed there is no telling how many thousands of additional rounds those "highly trained" police officers would have found it necessary to discharge.

17 posted on 05/09/2014 11:31:30 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: driftdiver
That is also true.

Well before they decided to commit murder, it appears large numbers of them were engaging in some serious dipshittery .

18 posted on 05/09/2014 11:33:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: chessplayer

What bothers me, is seeing that modern cops are terrified cowards, who seem to always be on the verge of violent panic and lashing out in fear and anger.

We are seeing that policy is more in clearing a safe zone by killing any possible threats before advancing, even when you call them to your home.

In this case two unarmed men were not taken into custody, children and adults were leaping for safety inside their own homes, many tens of thousands of dollars worth of damage caused, affecting many, two cops shot, two cops with busted ear drums, and why? It had nothing to do with their job that night, they failed in making an arrest, it was just an orgy of emotion, panic and cowardice.

These people are the wrong types for the work they do, and the responsibility that we give them, they are a danger to us.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 11:37:55 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: chessplayer

This would be a great chance to shoot a cop from another department whom you didn’t like. “Ooops, sorry about that!”


20 posted on 05/09/2014 11:39:55 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: chessplayer
377 rounds \ 23 officers = 16 rounds per officer.

Each one of these cops had to reload at least once?
21 posted on 05/09/2014 11:40:30 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: proxy_user

They did suffer fairly heavy casualties, especially since they were shooting at two guys, just sitting in a car.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 11:44:02 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: WayneS

There was a time when cops would actually be concerned with where the rounds were actually going...Now its just open up with dozens of rounds, fired by dozens of cops...When no one was even shooting at them...

It’s a chaotic hysterical anything goes...no joke.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 11:44:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: chessplayer

I should think it would raise concerns. Only 167 rounds were fired at Bonnie and Clyde, and only Bonnie and Clyde were hit.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 11:48:48 AM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: ansel12

These people are the wrong types for the work they do, and the responsibility that we give them, they are a danger to us.


But at least they enjoy their jobs, as illustrated in the last paragraph, a neighbor’s observation:

“The policemen that had on the black and white vests were out there laughing like it was so funny,” said one of the neighbors, “because they got a free shot off them people. Shooting all them bullets like that, that don’t make no sense.”


25 posted on 05/09/2014 11:50:04 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless America)
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To: ansel12

Contrast this to the capture of Lee Harvey Oswald after killing officer Tippit:
“As police arrived, the house lights were brought up and Brewer pointed out Oswald sitting near the rear of the theater. Police Officer Nick McDonald testified that he was the first to reach Oswald and that Oswald seemed ready to surrender saying, “Well, it is all over now.” However, Officer McDonald said that Oswald pulled out a pistol tucked into the front of his pants, then pointed the pistol at him, and pulled the trigger. McDonald stated that the pistol did not fire because the pistol’s hammer came down on the webbing between the thumb and index finger of his hand as he grabbed for the pistol. McDonald also said that Oswald struck him, but that he struck back and Oswald was disarmed. As he was led from the theater, Oswald shouted he was a victim of police brutality”


26 posted on 05/09/2014 11:56:12 AM PDT by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: Mouton

my dad was a Detroit mounted policeman, retired in 1950. As a teen the advice he gave me was........never argue with the man that has the gun.....circa: 1952


27 posted on 05/09/2014 11:57:37 AM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: rarestia

We came full circle on this years ago. It used to be that I marveled at cops and their restraint when apprehending an individual suspected of killing one of their own. Now, it’s just a matter of how many bullets they can pop into a suspect before he turns to jello.

Cops and their unions will always claim the “fear of their lives” nonsense to justify a murder.

The investigation that follows is a joke and nothing is ever done, which is exactly why these savage thugs continue their murderous behavior. They will never be held accountable in this life.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 12:00:41 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Bible Summary in a few verses: John 14:6, John 6:29, Romans 10:9-10)
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To: lonevoice

Chilling.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 12:04:25 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: chessplayer

Supervisors let the situation get out of control early. By the time they tried to get control of the officers it was too late.

It reminds of young George Washington and Grant who had soldiers get out of control in their first battles.


30 posted on 05/09/2014 12:11:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Cops and their unions will always claim the “fear of their lives” nonsense to justify a murder.

Not to the murders, but if I were one of the 23, I'd fear for my life too. 22 either poorly trained or at the moment unbalanced people discharging their weapons, were I #23 you'd find me behind the nearest cover.

31 posted on 05/09/2014 12:11:53 PM PDT by SJackson (the Democrats take back control, we don’t make (this) kind of naked power grab, J Biden)
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To: Lazamataz
Cops have become sworn enemies of America.

Did you bother to read the article?

32 posted on 05/09/2014 12:12:36 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: goat granny

My dad was a copper who retired in 65...his comment was close to that: I have six that says you are wrong so use your head when confronting the police.


33 posted on 05/09/2014 12:12:37 PM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: jaydubya2
377 rounds \ 23 officers = 16 rounds per officer. Each one of these cops had to reload at least once?

A full mag each. Their training tells them to dump all their rounds into their target, so that later they can claim that they were in such fear for their live nothing less would do, and there was no reasonable opportunity to do any less.

It also pretty much ensures a very dead target that can't contradict their story.

34 posted on 05/09/2014 12:14:17 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Moonman62
I never read the article.

I even stopped reading the headline.

Now I just post random platitudes on various threads.

35 posted on 05/09/2014 12:19:08 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: Moonman62

It reminds you of an army?

It reminds me of a 3rd world country where the cops are lawless and murder at will.


36 posted on 05/09/2014 12:19:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Lazamataz

Lol.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: jaydubya2

Read the article...There were two long bursts of rounds, about two minutes apart. Plenty of time to load up.


38 posted on 05/09/2014 12:25:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: driftdiver

“It reminds me of a 3rd world country where the cops are lawless and murder at will.”

Yeah, just “drop down to Mexico” and you can see this behavior first-hand on a daily basis.


39 posted on 05/09/2014 12:28:08 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Now, it’s just a matter of how many bullets they can pop into a suspect before he turns to jello.


I really believe thats the intent when they fire that many rounds. They literally want the target turned into mush.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 12:31:30 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Lazamataz
Now I just post random platitudes on various threads.

LOL. When I feel like responding, but have nothing useful to say, I turn to the trusty Random Political Rhetoric Generator. Feel free to use it if you get writer's block.

Random Political Rhetoric Generator

/s of course

41 posted on 05/09/2014 12:32:52 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: jaydubya2

I did the same math. At least 7 or 8, approximately had to reload.

More than 20 years ago, I was on the range a few booths down from local cops (never had a problem with them).

Just out of curiosity I looked at their targets. Man, they were bad shots. I’m barely average and certainly not a marksman, but I was a better shot than they were.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 12:34:29 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: driftdiver

Execution is not part of their job description.


43 posted on 05/09/2014 12:44:43 PM PDT by DManA
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To: F15Eagle

Probably because dog targets werent allowed.


44 posted on 05/09/2014 12:44:49 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
It reminds you of an army?

No, I meant what I said.

45 posted on 05/09/2014 12:47:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Mouton
use your head when confronting the police.

Get down on your belly, offer to lick his boots, pull your pants down.

Or would you rather be an American? Even a dead American.

46 posted on 05/09/2014 12:49:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Lazamataz
Now I just post random platitudes on various threads.

You and some others just post a bunch of repetitive wisecracks on police threads that don't help the situation.

47 posted on 05/09/2014 12:50:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: All

Remember the good old days when cops would spend 40 year on the job and never take their gun out of their holster? Dogs were a lot safer back then.

The cops are being trained for what it will be like in the new world order.


48 posted on 05/09/2014 12:51:07 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: driftdiver

Ha! I was shooting with a state trooper there one time. Was also using my .45. Couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn with that pistol though it was very accurate (the trooper loved it, grouping 1.25 inches with the second clip, 230 grain at 25 yards). I tried all sorts of loads. Just. Couldn’t. Do it.

Anways, had the hostage target up at one point. Doing good and then ... ooops, shot the hostage.

So I told him.

He never skipped a beat. He said “That’s OK. Now he’s got nothing to negotiate with”. True story.


49 posted on 05/09/2014 12:54:27 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Moonman62; Lazamataz

Its heresy to read the article, but not to display a sense of humor.


50 posted on 05/09/2014 12:58:53 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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