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Supreme Court Green-lights Indefinite Detention Of Innocent Americans
Western Journalism ^ | May 9, 2014 | By Pastor Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/09/2014 1:24:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

America’s founders, largely distrustful of centralized power, created several checks and balances into the U.S. Constitution to help ensure that one person, or one group of people, would not be able to unilaterally exert his or their will over the American citizenry. First, the federal government itself was divided into three separate and distinct branches–each holding the capability (and responsibility) to check the power of the other. Second, the Bill of Rights was made part of the Constitution for the protection of individual liberties. Third, the “free and independent states” of the nation retained their sovereignty and independence after the central government was created (by the states), with the Tenth Amendment specifically recognizing their authority and jurisdiction over matters not directly delegated to the federal government.

It was also assumed that the freedom of the press and the freedom of religion would help the citizenry be sufficiently informed and inspired to keep the would-be despots at bay. And, of course, “We the People” are recognized as being the ultimate guardians of liberty by the recognition that “to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” (Declaration) The “consent of the governed” was given teeth by the constitutional recognition of the people’s right to wield the power of the voting booth, the jury box, and, as a last resort, the cartridge box.

What has become increasingly obvious to a large segment of the American populace is the complete unwillingness of the national media to hold the federal government accountable. Neither do America’s pulpits provide the moral leadership necessary to maintain good government. The freedom of the press and religion accomplish precious little today in the safeguarding of liberty. And it is also absolutely clear that the three branches of government...

(Excerpt) Read more at westernjournalism.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billofrights; constitution; fascism; fascistcourt; gestapo; ndaa; policestate; righttotrial; robertssellsout; scotus; unalienablerights
“A friend-of-the-court brief submitted in the case stated: ‘The central question now before this court is whether the federal judiciary will stand idly by while Congress and the president establish the legal framework for the establishment of a police state and the subjugation of the American citizenry through the threat of indefinite military arrest and detention, without the right to counsel, the right to confront one’s accusers, or the right to trial.’

“Eighty-five of 100 senators voted in favor of the new version of the NDAA, which had already been quietly passed by the House of Representatives. [Disgustingly, Montana's only U.S. House member, Republican Steve Daines, who purports himself to be a staunch conservative, voted for the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA, as did Montana's two Democrat Senators Max Baucus and Jon Tester. How did your congressman and senators vote? In my opinion, this is a monumentally-important vote; and a vote granting this unconstitutional power to the military and federal police agencies is inexcusable and demonstrates how both Democrats and Republicans will unite together to dismantle the constitutional protections of the American people in the name of "national security."]

1 posted on 05/09/2014 1:24:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

was there a ruling and did the Pirate Roberts vote for this fascist leap?


2 posted on 05/09/2014 1:29:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Jim Robinson; All
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3 posted on 05/09/2014 1:30:51 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MHGinTN

Supreme Court rejects hearing on military detention case

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/28/us-usa-court-security-idUSBREA3R0YH20140428

Excerpt:

(Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory to President Barack Obama’s administration by declining to hear a challenge to a law that allows the U.S. military to indefinitely detain people believed to have helped al Qaeda or the Taliban.

The high court left intact a July 2013 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision that journalists and others who said they could be detained under the law, did not have standing to sue.

The provision in question is part of the National Defense Authorization Act, which the U.S. Congress passes annually to authorize programs of the Defense Department.

It lets the government indefinitely detain people it deems to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban or “associated forces.”


4 posted on 05/09/2014 1:34:24 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

The courts are supposed to be the institution that protects citizens against governmant abuses.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 1:37:04 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, now that posse comitatas (sp?) is obsolete, little barry can just send the troops into any area/region not obeying his edicts and have the offending threats detained until passified don’tchaknow.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 1:38:19 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Jim Robinson

     

It started like this in the '30s, too.

Anyone thinking the above hyperbolic isn't paying enough attention.

/.02

7 posted on 05/09/2014 1:39:59 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: Jim Robinson
SCOTUS, behaving like the Nazi Reich Court.
8 posted on 05/09/2014 1:41:35 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Jim Robinson
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9 posted on 05/09/2014 1:42:25 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: MHGinTN

America died silent death, no people marching in the streets to protest, no one standing to fight.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 1:42:26 PM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: Jim Robinson
...a law that allows the U.S. military to indefinitely detain people believed to have helped al Qaeda or the Taliban.

So when do they slam the bars shut on Soetoro and witHolder?

11 posted on 05/09/2014 1:43:03 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: MHGinTN
was there a ruling and did the Pirate Roberts vote for this fascist leap?

Not a ruling, just their standard fare of letting a lower-court's ruling stand. (Much like CA's Prop 8.)
(They would also likely deny standing to anyone challenging it.)

12 posted on 05/09/2014 1:44:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Fido969

The courts are supposed to be the institution that protects citizens against governmant abuses.

Now where did you ever pick up such an idea?


13 posted on 05/09/2014 1:44:52 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: stockpirate
Slouching to Gomorrah waiting to be executed.
14 posted on 05/09/2014 1:44:57 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: OneWingedShark

Anyone not bowing to the rulers will be ‘pass ified’ ... not pacified, passified, as in passed away by incarceration and neglect.


15 posted on 05/09/2014 1:49:14 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Jim Robinson
It lets the government indefinitely detain people it deems to have “substantially supported” al Qaeda, the Taliban or “associated forces.”

The problem is that implicit in the action is the guilt:
That is to say that the detention under the accusation [of Al Queda or Taliban association or support] prevents challenging the accusation.

In essence, this is an end-run around the 6th amendment:

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right […] to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; […]
There is no way to challenge the veracity of the charge and because its detention rather than prosecution they hold that it's all perfectly legit.
16 posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:04 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: B4Ranch

FBI INVESTIGATING BUNDY SUPPORTERS
Claims weapons were pointed at federal officers triggers criminal investigation

http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/05/report-fbi-investigating-bundy-supporters/

Excerpt:

The FBI has launched a formal criminal investigation into the events surrounding last months standoff between the Bureau of Land Management and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

Agents have been interviewing BLM agents and law-enforcement officers who had been onsite, focusing on charges Bundy supporters and militia members who joined them pointed weapons at the authorities and made threats on their lives, reports KLAS-TV, Las Vegas.

FBI agents have interviewed Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillispie, Assistant Sheriff Joe Lombardo and a squad of Metro police officers who served as a buffer between Bundy’s supporters and the BLM forces. A second squad is to be interviewed this week.

“The federal authorities are conducting an investigation and I am pretty confident it is going to go into the future,” said Lombardo, who was interviewed by the FBI earlier this week.

Asked if there would be consequences for somebody recorded on video tape or a news camera pointing a gun at a Metro officer or a federal ranger, Lombardo said yes.

“There is definitely going to be consequences, definitely. That is unacceptable behavior. If we let it go, it would continue into the future,” he said.

Sheriff Gillispie confirmed he was asked what he observed, but declined to give details.

KLAS reported earlier that Metro members claimed they had feared for their lives because of so many armed supporters standing with the Bundys, who had “pointed weapons at officers, taunted them, told them they should be ready to die.”


17 posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:18 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

There was hardly a peep here about NADA, in fact most were advocates. You know who you are. That’s where this started.

Please, please...don’t fain consternation at this. It’s insulting.


18 posted on 05/09/2014 1:56:44 PM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: OneWingedShark

The NAZIs were working legally and totally within the law at the time and their actions upheld by the courts.

Unless based on God’s law, the rule of law and the courts are pretty much meaningless.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 2:00:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Fitzy_888

Yup. We had more faith in our government at that time (9-11). Grave mistake.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 2:02:00 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Very true.
Still, the situations I see in America [WRT the judiciary in particular, and the executive/legislative in general] are very saddening.


21 posted on 05/09/2014 2:02:56 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: stockpirate

“America died silent death, no people marching in the streets to protest, no one standing to fight.”

You’re just not looking in the right places. Do you think that the media, who has a vested interest in the status quo, is going to show you that?


22 posted on 05/09/2014 2:07:00 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: Fido969

“The courts are supposed to be the institution that protects citizens against government abuses.”

No, they’re a bunch of unelected political hacks in black muumuus.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 2:09:33 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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24 posted on 05/09/2014 2:14:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: Fitzy_888

You paint with a broad brush, FRiend. There have been a few who have consistently criticized the gop and it’s embrace of statism. And in any case, donning a sackcloth and ashes is a pretty useless exercise at this point. We are where we’re at.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 2:18:08 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: Fido969
The courts are supposed to be the institution that protects citizens against governmant abuses.

Actually, the Court is part of the government.

It's the doctrine of negative rights that's supposed to protect the people from the government.

26 posted on 05/09/2014 2:19:37 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’ve always liked Pastor Baldwin, author of this piece. He thinks, writes, and speaks clearly. He continues to lead even when things don’t quickly turns. In that regard, he is a Jeremiah.

The American police state was seen clearly last month when America was suddenly shown that the Bureau of Land Management had it’s own army. It was a wake up call that even reached the major media. They were soon forced to back down, either by their handlers or by powers beyond that level. The public explanation they gave for losing focus on federal agencies with their own armies was ‘racism’. We know, even if Clive Bundy had done something wrong, that there is no connection between the behavior of one citizen and the BLM having an army (along with scores of other departments and agencies having their own armies.)

Why? Because we now have seen what “a standing army” is that the Founders were so strongly against. They are troops paid by the central government to point guns at you, your children, and your friends if you don’t comply with the Federal government’s every whim, whether illegal or not.

It seems important to keep this on the front burner now that so many of the people are now aware of SWAT teams pointing guns and destroying lives. It seems important to hear about every over zealous arrest, every quick-to-kill shot, and every power hungry grab of property, money, or resources.

And now we also need to be aware of every suspicious arrest as Pastor Baldwin points out. He is right. In this he is a Jeremiah who should be heeded.


27 posted on 05/09/2014 2:24:17 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I don’t see much point in donning the sackcloth and ashes at this point.

One thing I’m more willing to do, though, is listen to folks who I’m politically opposed to so long as they’re talking the language of freedom. When all is said and done, I really don’t give a rats rear about their political affiliation. I found it very interesting that both Noam Chomsky and Bob Marshall are involved in this lawsuit either as litigants or amici. You couldn’t pick two people with more different political affiliations.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 2:28:54 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The thing is, that when they get ready to come for you, you will be helping the Taliban or al Qaeda , whether you did or did not.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 2:30:18 PM PDT by sport
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To: Jim Robinson

Unless the below is inaccurately stated, what exactly is the issue? This doesn’t appear to be a change from longstanding precedent, and doesn’t appear to affect either US citizens or the unaffected:

The high court left intact a July 2013 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals decision that journalists and others who said they could be detained under the law, did not have standing to sue.

...

The appeals court said the challengers had no standing because they could not show the provision has any bearing on the government’s authority to detain U.S. citizens.

The court said the plaintiffs who were not U.S. citizens lacked standing to sue because they did not show “a sufficient threat that the government will detain them” under the provision.

The case is Hedges v. Obama, U.S. Supreme Court, No. 13-758


30 posted on 05/09/2014 2:32:26 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Jim Robinson

*Sigh*

Unless things make a sharp 180 degree turn and soon, war is coming on us FAST. Either war or absolute totalitarianism.

And I hate both possibilities.


31 posted on 05/09/2014 2:46:05 PM PDT by Luircin
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To: Jim Robinson

Metro wasn’t a buffer between anybody, They were up on I-15 directing traffic.
Sheriff Doug Gillispie told Bundy and his supporters the BLM was standing down. When Bundy went to retrieve his cattle, the BLM was waiting behind vehicles with weapons fixed on the protesters. The BLM withdrew after crapping in their shorts because their boss Daniel Love strategically placed them in a kill box.
Gillispie is a lying sidewinder in the pocket of Harry Reid and both should be criminally charged along with others for the attempted murder of the Bundy’s.


32 posted on 05/09/2014 2:47:14 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08 (SEND BITCOIN 1CYfujvffxKKPHKvrQvLP3CDb3Z5Lu7LwM)
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To: sport
will be helping the Taliban or al Qaeda

Actually, I'm betting that is wrong. I've not seen the actual text of the law in question in the article. I'm betting it wasn't so narrowly written that it applies only to this era and only to al Qaeda associates.

My guess is that it's more broadly written and allows the Fed to indefinitely detain "enemies".

So, who would Barack Obama be able to argue is an "enemy"? And down the road with another Obama type tyrant, when the well has become even more poisoned, what would 'enemy' mean then?

33 posted on 05/09/2014 2:51:14 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

“They were soon forced to back down, either by their handlers or by powers beyond that level”.

They were forced into retreat by a well regulated militia, and they will never forget it. I know there are some good men in the alphabet agencies. The time is coming when they will have to make a very important decision. Stand with freedom or stand with tyranny.

I want them all to remember that Obama and his crew left four Americans abandon to a torturous fate in Benghazi.
The BLM handlers also placed them in a cauldron of death in the Nevada desert to be slaughtered. By the grace of God and a highly disciplined militia the BLM were allowed to leave that valley with their lives.


34 posted on 05/09/2014 3:09:11 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08 (SEND BITCOIN 1CYfujvffxKKPHKvrQvLP3CDb3Z5Lu7LwM)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is utterly unconstitutional, and the justices know it.


35 posted on 05/09/2014 3:26:35 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: MileHi
So when do they slam the bars shut on Soetoro and witHolder?

As soon as enough of the public gets word about Operation Zero Footprint.

36 posted on 05/09/2014 3:28:54 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP
As soon as enough of the public gets word about Operation Zero Footprint.

No thanks to the legacy media, it is oozing out.

37 posted on 05/09/2014 4:04:59 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: B4Ranch

Is there a single file download for all of these?


38 posted on 05/09/2014 4:25:24 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: SgtHooper
Here are some of his video titles on Long Range Shooting.
39 posted on 05/09/2014 4:39:07 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: TsonicTsunami08

Yes, it was a double cross/set up. Gillispie did announce an agreement had been made between BLM and Bundy and the cattle would be released and BLM would withdraw. Until then those there to support Bundy were only protesting.. After waiting an hour for the cattle to be released they went to get them as you said. That is a very important part of the equation. BLM made statements the next day that there was NO agreement and they released the cattle and withdrew for safety reasons.

If we had real reporters some of them would have dug into this to find out who was behind the set-up. Where did Gillispie get his info? Did he make that statement on his own or was he told that? By who? As far as Love putting his men in a dangerous spot, is he the one that decided where they would be or was that another part of the set up? By who?


40 posted on 05/09/2014 5:02:24 PM PDT by Tammy8
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To: TsonicTsunami08
If you re-read my post #27, you'll see that I was talking about the media being forced to back down. This is seen in the following line: The public explanation they gave for losing focus on federal agencies with their own armies was ‘racism’

It was the media that stopped focusing on federal agencies, and not a federal agency that stopped focusing on federal agencies. (Which wouldn't make sense.) In was also seen in the initial comment: It was a wake up call that even reached the major media. They were soon forced ...

Other than that explanation about the media, I absolutely agree with you.

41 posted on 05/09/2014 5:16:01 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Tammy8

Gillispie was Reid’s guy in the field. I think they approached it as a 3 birds with one stone approach.

First, If they set up the BLM for killing, then they could justify a brutal show of force to kill the Bundy’s and anyone standing with them.

Secondly, this would give Obama justification to impose martial law and have his wet dream of disarming law abiding Americans.

Third, Harry Reid gets the land and completes his deal with the Red Chinese.

It is my opinion that Reid through Gillispie betrayed the BLM by withholding info such as Militia firepower and numbers. Told Bundy that the BLM was standing down.
As to who positioned the BLM in the bottom of a riverbed in an indefensible position it’s anyone’s guess. The BLM figured it out real quick that they were the lambs while two wolves were deciding whats for dinner. I hope they never forget it, they too were betrayed.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 5:23:43 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08 (SEND BITCOIN 1CYfujvffxKKPHKvrQvLP3CDb3Z5Lu7LwM)
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To: Jim Robinson

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43 posted on 05/09/2014 5:59:52 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Jim Robinson
It is normal that one cannot sue unless one has been damaged---a judge cannot rule on a law until that law has been exercised, i.e., someone has actually been detained under this particular law. However, it becomes a Catch-22 if one is detained without access to a court.
44 posted on 05/09/2014 8:07:18 PM PDT by Cruising Speed
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To: B4Ranch

Thanks! And a great source, both of ya! :-)


45 posted on 05/10/2014 10:55:42 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is my tag!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

Ah, besides the Bundy event please inform me....What is needed is 500,000 - 1,500,000 to stand toe to toe in DC and close it down till they restore our liberty.

And each person should be carrying, just in case.


46 posted on 05/10/2014 11:47:39 AM PDT by stockpirate (Only a tidal wave of tyrants blood will return our tree of liberty......)
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To: stockpirate

“Ah, besides the Bundy event please inform me....What is needed is 500,000 - 1,500,000 to stand toe to toe in DC ......”

Be happy to try to inform. Will ping you to an article I posted about a bunch of folks who are trying to do something positive in NH. Unfortunately one of our resident trolls decided to camp out on the comments. But the basic idea was a pretty good one.

One thing I suggest you think about is whether DC is even all that relevant. Most of your law enforcement and freedom killing measures are at the state and local level. That’s especially true of gun control. There hasn’t been a significant piece of gun control legislation out of DC in about 20 years. The really miserable crap is coming out of the states like NY and CT.


47 posted on 05/10/2014 3:02:15 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Two parties, one agenda. It's the uniparty.)
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To: MileHi
No coverage in the mainstream media, but it's been covered by everyone from The Blaze TV's For the Record to Seymour Hersh in the London Review of Books.
48 posted on 05/14/2014 7:39:18 AM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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