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“Look at my gun!” Why NRA’s scary “open carry” craze is not about freedom
Salon ^ | May 7, 2014 | Heather Digby Parton

Posted on 05/09/2014 3:07:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Freedom for a man with a gun trumps freedom for parents of kids who feel endangered by him. Our scary new reality.

Imagine you’re sitting in a restaurant and a loud group of armed men come through the door. They are ostentatiously displaying their weapons, making sure that everyone notices them. Would you feel safe or would you feel in danger? Would you feel comfortable confronting them? If you owned the restaurant could you ask them to leave? These are questions that are facing more and more Americans in their everyday lives as “open carry” enthusiasts descend on public places ostensibly for the sole purpose of exercising their constitutional right to do it. It just makes them feel good, apparently.

For instance, in the wake of the new Georgia law that pretty much makes it legal to carry deadly weapons at all times in all places, parents were alarmed when an armed man showed up at the park where their kids were playing little league baseball and waved his gun around shouting, “Look at my gun!” and “There’s nothing you can do about it.” The police were called and when they arrived they found the man had broken no laws and was perfectly within his rights to do what he did. That was small consolation to the parents, however. Common sense tells anyone that a man waving a gun around in public is dangerous so the parents had no choice but to leave the park. Freedom for the man with the gun trumps freedom for the parents of kids who feel endangered by him.

After the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre, open carry advocates decided it was a good idea to descend upon Starbucks stores around the country, even in Newtown where a couple dozen armed demonstrators showed up, to make their political point. There were no incidents. Why would there be? When an armed citizen decides to exercise his right to bear arms, it would be reckless to exercise your right to free speech if you disagreed with them. But it did cause the CEO of Starbucks to ask very politely if these gun proliferation supporters would kindly not use his stores as the site of their future “statements.” He didn’t ban them from the practice, however. His reason? He didn’t want to put his employees in the position of having to confront armed customers to tell them to leave. Sure, Starbucks might have the “right” to ban guns on private property in theory, but in practice no boss can tell his workers that they must try to evict someone who is carrying a deadly weapon.

Just last week open carry proponents decided to have one of their “demonstrations” by going into a Jack in the Box en masse, scaring the employees so badly that they hid in the walk-in freezer. The so-called demonstrators seemed confused by the response of police who assumed there was an armed robbery in progress and dispatched a phalanx of cops.

“We’re not breaking the laws,” Haros said. “We’re not here to hurt anybody. We’re not trying to alarm anybody. We’re doing this because it’s our constitutional right.”

Haros, who believes openly carrying firearms helps police, said citizens should know that the demonstrations will continue.

“It’s just for safety purposes,” Haros said. “Officers can’t be there at all times. We understand that. They can only do so much.”

So this fine fellow believes he is doing this to protect the public. And while they don’t wear uniforms so you can’t identify them, have no specialized training in the law, are not bound by police protocols or answer to the authority of the democratic system of government of the people, they have taken it upon themselves to look after all of us because the police are busy. (And presumably, unless you are wearing a hoodie and they think you look suspicious, you probably won’t get shot dead by mistake.) We used to have a name for this. It was called vigilantism. One can only hope that when a “bad guy” really does show up at your Jack in the Box or Starbucks and one of these self-appointed John Waynes decides to draw his weapon you’ll be as lucky as the innocent civilian who narrowly escaped being killed in error at the Gabrielle Giffords shooting.

All of this is allegedly being done to protect our freedoms. But it’s only the “freedom” of the person wearing a firearm that matters. Those parents who want their kids to feel safe in a public park aren’t free to tell a man waving a gun around to leave them alone, are they? Patrons and employees of Starbucks aren’t free to express their opinion of open carry laws when one of these demonstrations are taking place in the store. Those Jack in the Box employees aren’t free to refuse service to armed customers. Sure, they are all theoretically free to do those things. It’s their constitutional right just like it’s the constitutional right of these people to carry a gun. But in the real world, sane people do not confront armed men and women. They don’t argue with them over politics. They certainly do not put their kids in harm’s way in order to make a point. So when it comes right down to it, when you are in the presence of one of these armed citizens, you don’t really have any rights at all.

You can see why they think that’s freedom. It is. For them. The rest of us just have to be very polite, keep our voices down and back away very slowly, saying, “Yes sir, whatever you say, sir,” and let them have their way.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; hysteria; opencarry; rtkba
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How did we ever conquer and settle a continent, win two world wars and defeat the Soviet Union?
1 posted on 05/09/2014 3:07:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 05/09/2014 3:10:31 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We’ll be lucky if Putin doesn’t annex Alaska before Odingo leaves office.


3 posted on 05/09/2014 3:12:15 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s gonna be de wil wil West agin!


4 posted on 05/09/2014 3:13:17 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For every guy walking around with a gun on his hip in plain sight there are probably 100 carrying concealed. I bet that gives the guys at Salon nightmares too.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 3:14:23 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Frankly I couldn’t care less what they “feel”.


6 posted on 05/09/2014 3:15:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So when it comes right down to it, when you are in the presence of one of these armed citizens, you don’t really have any rights at all.

So Heather, are you such a moron that you can’t figure out
that the thing to do is GET A GUN and protect your rights
like other citizens?

Sheeesch, liberals, the stupid it BURNS!


7 posted on 05/09/2014 3:15:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
and waved his gun around

is known as brandishing, and is still illegal. So, the author is a liar.

8 posted on 05/09/2014 3:16:24 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Can I use those same arguments next time I see a naked man in downtown SF?
He's obviously not using his "weapon" for self defense or freedom, he just wants others to look at it and don't care if it makes anyone uncomfortable.

9 posted on 05/09/2014 3:16:24 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The rest of us just have to be very polite, keep our voices down and back away very slowly, saying, “Yes sir, whatever you say, sir,” and let them have their way.

Why should liberals whine? They love the police state, and this sounds like the way cops think we should behave in their presence............

10 posted on 05/09/2014 3:17:07 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: saganite

That’s why I think concealed and open carry compliment each other.


11 posted on 05/09/2014 3:17:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You are right about conquering and settling a continent, winning two world wars and defeating the Soviet threat.

But we are completely giving away the future.

America needs to make things. America factories are what made America run.

We are currently building up China. Not America.

Bring back factories and build stuff here once again. Republicans. Democrats. Someone stand up for Americans once again.

Tea Party, stand up.


12 posted on 05/09/2014 3:18:34 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Imagine you’re sitting in a restaurant and a loud group of armed men come through the door. They are ostentatiously displaying their weapons, making sure that everyone notices them. Would you feel safe or would you feel in danger?

Now imagine they are cops.

13 posted on 05/09/2014 3:20:27 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: doorgunner69

You mean, they’d actuall7y say, “Sir”?

Proof that armed citizens make for polite society.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 3:21:00 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: gundog
We’ll be lucky if Putin doesn’t annex Alaska before Odingo leaves office.

naw...Palin’s on it.

15 posted on 05/09/2014 3:22:00 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: doorgunner69

“Why should liberals whine?”

Their nature.


16 posted on 05/09/2014 3:22:12 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...Freedom for a man with a gun trumps freedom for parents of kids who feel endangered by him..."

It's all about the children, don'tcha know.

Hahaha...stupid liberal couldn't even get past the first sentence.

17 posted on 05/09/2014 3:23:58 PM PDT by rlmorel ("A nation, despicable by its weakness, forfeits even the privilege of being neutral." A. Hamilton)
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To: Ouderkirk
...is known as brandishing, and is still illegal. So, the author is a liar.

Correct. She took care to use the phrase twice just to get the image set. And yes, that is illegal and she is a liar.

It's odd - I thought this sort of "consciousness-raising" was supposed to be a good thing. The Left uses it to excuse outright lying when it comes to racist and sexist incidents. Not, apparently, when it comes to the horror of viewing a firearm in public that isn't attached to a police officer. That's a different sort of dread.

One does need to be very careful to stay inside the law of the state when exercising this sort of political demonstration. There will be provocations in an attempt to force the firearm holder to break the law or act in a threatening manner. But liberal use of their personal feelings to control other people's lives is an old, widespread, and dishonorable tactic.

18 posted on 05/09/2014 3:24:10 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like the author came to the correct conclusion.

Normally lefties resort to violence when they encounter conservatives protesting.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 3:24:55 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Naïve liberals are what scare me.
20 posted on 05/09/2014 3:25:52 PM PDT by oldbrowser (This looks like a make it or break it point for America.)
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To: Ouderkirk
...and waved his gun around...

is known as brandishing, and is still illegal. So, the author is a liar.

Correct on both counts.

21 posted on 05/09/2014 3:26:24 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Iron Munro

I’m more scared of those paranoid parents that the law-abiding guy with a gun.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 3:26:51 PM PDT by Socon-Econ
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To: saganite

I seriously doubt that there are any “guys” that work at Salon.


23 posted on 05/09/2014 3:27:19 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many people think that what Rosa Parks did was spontaneous..?

How many people think Rosa Parks was an average, apolitical southerner..?

She was CHOSEN as a star by a core political leadership after many careful political meetings and she had a long history of political activism —she was intensely political and far from average.

Change happens because of POLITICAL DECISIONS, and open-carry is no different.


24 posted on 05/09/2014 3:28:13 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Was it just me, or did she perfectly make the point that an armed society is a polite society?

When many people openly carry, others are much less likely to play the bully with or without a weapon....


25 posted on 05/09/2014 3:28:16 PM PDT by Bill Russell
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To: cripplecreek

Every time somebody who doesn’t know carp about guns tells me all about guns, I have heard all I need to know.

To know this person is an ID10t.


26 posted on 05/09/2014 3:28:20 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Those who "try" often fail, those who DO often succeed.)
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To: Billthedrill
It's odd - I thought this sort of "consciousness-raising" was supposed to be a good thing.


Off topic but speaking of raising consciousness, have you heard about the new venture of MTV, the SPLC, ACLU, CAIR, and various racialist groups to raise consciousness and teach young people to recognize the "hidden biases"?
27 posted on 05/09/2014 3:28:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Ouderkirk

“is known as brandishing, and is still illegal. So, the author is a liar.”

well, when you saw the author has three names, there is always a better than average chance they are a Marxist, and then of course liar goes without saying.


28 posted on 05/09/2014 3:30:54 PM PDT by willywill
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Imagine you’re sitting in a restaurant and a loud group of armed men come through the door. They are ostentatiously displaying their weapons, making sure that everyone notices them. Would you feel safe or would you feel in danger?”

Imagine they’re police officers. Safe, right? So how does a uniform and a pretty badge make all the difference?

“Would you feel comfortable confronting them?”

I wouldn’t dare violate their Constitutional rights like that. It would be like confronting an Orthodox Jew about his silly beanie.

“If you owned the restaurant could you ask them to leave?”

Not for all the world.


29 posted on 05/09/2014 3:32:42 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (The enemy's gate is down...and to the left.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“a man waving a gun around in public”

Use hyperbole much, b!tch? /to the author, not the Freeper


30 posted on 05/09/2014 3:37:27 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Salon competes for the dumbest liberals in the country.


31 posted on 05/09/2014 3:38:12 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody was drafted from “Salon” magazine.


32 posted on 05/09/2014 3:41:42 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Open carry was the norm 120 years ago. These actors look natural carrying small arms. Maybe it's the hat...

An armed society is a polite society.

33 posted on 05/09/2014 3:44:08 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
It’s gonna be de wil wil West agin!

Will it be the classic Wild Wild West with Robert Conrad or the really bad Wild Wild West with Will Smith?

34 posted on 05/09/2014 3:44:42 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Ouchthatonehurt
What is a Jewish girl's favorite wine?

"I wanna go to Florida"

35 posted on 05/09/2014 3:45:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Imagine you’re sitting in a restaurant and a loud group of armed men come through the door. They are ostentatiously displaying their weapons, making sure that everyone notices them.”

You then realize its the SWAT team on dinner break. :-)


36 posted on 05/09/2014 3:46:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m much more concerned with the political power of the Party of plutocrats and oligarchs that have their roots in Marxist theory, where symbolism of the hammer and sickle are the weapons authorized by the Party line elites for the sheep. They’ve infiltrated our government.

These are the aristocrats and people that have always seen an armed public as a dire threat to their financial superiority and influence and power, be it in 1920 Soviet Union, 2014 USA, or 1591 and the middle ages. They want only the elites armed and the non-elites unarmed and politically neutralized. The 2nd Amendment was intended to restrict their right to disarm the public and keep the ultimate power in the hands of the people.


37 posted on 05/09/2014 3:48:03 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps this is the result


38 posted on 05/09/2014 3:48:37 PM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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To: saganite

This is why I ping on Richmond to pass a concealed carry without a permit, every chance I get. Luckily Virginia is good on both, but not together.


39 posted on 05/09/2014 3:48:37 PM PDT by redhawk.44mag
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Sorry, it will be the fairly accurate portrayal of the wil wil west from “little house on the prairie”.

Hailstorms were big news.


40 posted on 05/09/2014 3:51:41 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Digby is the pseudonym of liberal political blogger Heather Parton from Santa Monica, California who founded the blog Hullabaloo. She has been called one of the "leading and most admired commentators" of the progressive blogosphere.

Digby began as a commenter on the blogs of Bartcop and Atrios and launched her own blog on January 1, 2003, calling it Hullabaloo "because one function of blogs is to cause a ruckus" and decorating it with a picture of a screaming Howard Beale from the film Network. She has been joined by other bloggers on Hullabaloo, including composer Richard Einhorn, who blogs under the name "Tristero".

41 posted on 05/09/2014 3:51:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reading this, you can hear the urine run down the authors leg.


42 posted on 05/09/2014 3:54:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: 2111USMC

Sure there are. But they pronounce it Geee.


43 posted on 05/09/2014 3:55:54 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heather “Digby” Parton grew up all over the world as the daughter of a peripatetic employee of the vast American Military Industrial complex. After a traditional 1970s-style misspent youth and fitful education, she landed in Hollywood and spent a couple of decades as an executive in the film industry, pushing the usual paper and making the usual deals. Out of a need to vent her frustration with the state of America’s politics, she began writing daily political analysis, punditry, random musings and snark on her website “Hullabaloo” in 2002. It soon turned into a full-time vocation, obsession, and, surprisingly, a new career.

Digby’s 2013 commentary on economic inequality and the ongoing battle inside Washington on cutting social spending was stoic in defense of both the powerless and the American middle class. She took official Washington to task on behalf of those too often left out of the American Dream. She criticized the political brinksmanship over the Federal budget and examined its real-world victims. She took on both welfare reformers on the left and budget slicers on the right, providing context for a steadily decreasing middle class and more Americans living in poverty, particularly children. Digby chided deficit hawks for ignoring the growing poverty picture, pushed back on Democrats seeking a “grand bargain,” and analyzed how voters sometimes ignore their own economic self-interest.

http://www.hillmanfoundation.org/2014-hillman-prize-opinion-and-analysis-journalism


44 posted on 05/09/2014 3:56:38 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: buffaloguy
Sorry, it will be the fairly accurate portrayal of the wil wil west from “little house on the prairie”.

Hailstorms were big news.

And then tragedy overtook the Ingalls family as Nels in a fit of rage over the Ingall's past due account attacked hem all one evening with an axe! If only Charles had bought a gun for defense on account instead of gingham for the girls, they might have survived.

45 posted on 05/09/2014 3:58:14 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Iron Munro

Pretty funny, what with New Jersey trying to figure out if the right to keep and bear arms extends beyond the home. I don’t know about you, but the deer population in my home is pretty sparse.


46 posted on 05/09/2014 4:00:57 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

(article rewritten to explain the author’s hysteria.)

“Freedom for a black man trumps freedom for parents of kids who feel endangered by him. Our scary new reality. Imagine you’re sitting in a restaurant and a loud group of black men come through the door. They are wearing ostentatious clothing, making sure that everyone notices them. Would you feel safe or would you feel in danger? Would you feel comfortable confronting them? If you owned the restaurant could you ask them to leave?

“These are questions that are facing more and more Americans in their everyday lives as black people descend on public places ostensibly for the sole purpose of exercising their constitutional right to do it. It just makes them feel good, apparently.

“For instance, in the wake of the new Georgia law that pretty much makes it legal for black people to be at all times in all places, parents were alarmed when a black man showed up at the park where their kids were playing little league baseball and when asked what he was doing there, shouted, “Hey, I’m black!” and “There’s nothing you can do about it.”

“The police were called and when they arrived they found the man had broken no laws and was perfectly within his rights to do what he did. That was small consolation to the parents, however. Common sense tells anyone that a black man in public is dangerous so the parents had no choice but to leave the park. Freedom for the black man trumps freedom for the parents of kids who feel endangered by him.”

To Heather Digby Parton at Salon: this is your mind, and how you look at others. Aren’t you ashamed of yourself?


47 posted on 05/09/2014 4:02:22 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’ve got to be “loud”.


48 posted on 05/09/2014 4:06:17 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is common for people to wear a gun on their hip here in northern Idaho. Even in Walmart. (grin) It is not noticeable, really. It is no different than a knife hanging off one’s belt. Both are normal “accessories” and common enough to not raise an eyebrow.

Maybe liberals spend too much times staring at men’s hips...


49 posted on 05/09/2014 4:09:27 PM PDT by hearthwench (Debbi - Mom, NaNa, and always ornery)
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To: Mastador1

I love it when liberals come to the country and hear gunfire from multiple directions.

To me its background noise and a barely notice it. To them its a dire threat and somebody just has to be dying.


50 posted on 05/09/2014 4:09:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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