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Nephew: Woman, 93, fired shots before being killed
HoustonChronicle.com ^ | 5-9-14 | unkown

Posted on 05/09/2014 9:03:48 PM PDT by windcliff

HEARNE, Texas (AP) — The nephew of a 93-year-old Central Texas woman shot and killed by a police officer says his aunt fired two shots before the officer shot her.

Roy Jones told KBTX-TV (http://bit.ly/1izkcTq ) of Bryan and College Station for a story aired Friday that he had taken his aunt Pearlie Golden to renew her driver's license Tuesday, but she was denied after failing her test.

As Jones took his aunt back to her Hearne home, he could tell she was upset by the denial, he said.

Back at her house, Jones said he was sitting with his aunt on her front porch when Golden demanded her keys back. He refused, so Golden went into the house and got her .38-caliber handgun. Jones dashed into the house and called police, he told the station.

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1 posted on 05/09/2014 9:03:48 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: windcliff
If someone fires at you, you're allowed to fire back.

This needs to be investigated by an external agency to make sure this story checks out.

The mayor of this town is an absolute horse's ass.

2 posted on 05/09/2014 9:08:05 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

If this is true, you’re right, good shoot, case closed. It’s unfortunate that it happened, but they did what they had to do.


3 posted on 05/09/2014 9:10:00 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: windcliff

The cops that beat to death that L.A. bum ON VIDEO CAMERA (the guy who called out, “Dad, help me..!”) were let-off Scott-free.

Fired, but no time, no fine.

Nothing.


4 posted on 05/09/2014 9:11:40 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: windcliff

This does not sound like a bad shoot. Old age does not entitle you to act like a jackass waving and firing a gun because you’re mad at DMV.


5 posted on 05/09/2014 9:12:07 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: windcliff

Idiot. Leave the area. Come back when she is not pissed. Call the cops? Really? Is this guy in her will?


6 posted on 05/09/2014 9:15:45 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Valpal1

I feel extremely sorry for the police officer that had to do this. This job can take a great toll on the officers involved, even if their actions are justified.


7 posted on 05/09/2014 9:20:45 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

I feel extremely sorry for the police officer that had to do this.

He has done this before so he is used to it.


8 posted on 05/09/2014 9:23:10 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: gaijin
“The cops that beat to death that L.A. bum ON VIDEO CAMERA (the guy who called out, “Dad, help me..!”) were let-off Scott-free.”

Not LA but Fullerton in neighboring Orange County. The DA for OC decided to be prosecutor instead of letting the more experienced assistant DAs handle the case and made a lot of mistakes. That is why the ex-Fullerton cops are free.

9 posted on 05/09/2014 9:26:44 PM PDT by chrisinoc
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To: windcliff

A 93 yo can shoot and kill someone with a .38 everyday of the week. Sounds like the old lady was off her rocker or perhaps her meds.


10 posted on 05/09/2014 9:28:16 PM PDT by notpoliticallycorewrecked (The more I know, the more I realize that how much more there is to learn.)
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To: DariusBane
Leave? She apparently took out the gun to force him to hand over the car keys.

Was the right thing to do get shot for leaving with the keys?

Or was the right thing to do to hand over the keys and let her kill some entirely innocent pedestrian?

He thought that calling the police would bring her back to her senses.

Apparently he had too high an opinion of her rationality.

The idiot is the one who pulls out a weapon for no good reason.

A pistol is not a plaything.

11 posted on 05/09/2014 9:35:37 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: chrisinoc

You think those were mistakes?


12 posted on 05/09/2014 9:37:27 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: wideawake
The mayor of this town is an absolute horse's ass.

So were some FReepers who were ready to hang the cop without enough information.

13 posted on 05/09/2014 9:41:30 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: DariusBane

People are killed by stray bullets from dumbass wild firing. All. The. Time.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Old age is not a free pass.


14 posted on 05/09/2014 9:44:45 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: gaijin

You’ve got no cop to hang here, so you’ve got to change the subject. Pathetic.


15 posted on 05/09/2014 9:52:34 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Valpal1
Old age is not a free pass.

I have to think the nephew could have done a little better. "He could tell she was upset" ... she's 93 ... think fast.

16 posted on 05/09/2014 10:00:21 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

The average person would not assume that a little old lady would murder her own kin over a set of keys. This is not a normal assumption.


17 posted on 05/09/2014 10:05:50 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Valpal1

“Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Old age is not a free pass.”

At some level I disagree. Old age/young age, really no difference... Suppose you had a 6 year old waving a gun about and firing off rounds. Would you expect the cop to protect his own ass and plug the kid? Same with an old lady...

What I would expect would be for the cop to defuse the situation. Maybe back off a little and let things cool off. The kid or the woman is not going to hit you unless your a complete idiot. Nobody has to die...

A good cop will handle this correctly. Most of today’s cops will not. I personally think it”s the training and the type of people they hire. If you can’t deal with an irrational person, you shouldn’t be on the force.


18 posted on 05/09/2014 10:07:42 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: wideawake

You might not think of a gun, but she was upset and this was a major life milestone. Now you just denied her, then off she goes. What’s she up to now? Stay with her! Ironically, it makes me think of my grandkids. I read their minds all the time.


19 posted on 05/09/2014 10:11:50 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Moonman62

I have found it disturbing how some allegedly rational FReepers will lambast the “lame stream media” for inaccuracies and downright lies, EXCEPT when it comes to a law enforcement officer. Then they are willing to believe the worst, without even questioning the source of the posted article.

I have even seen them take the press release of a defense attorney as gospel.

Of course, we always have the sick, juvenile attempt at humor by some individuals to make a post about shooting a dog, when it had nothing to do with the article that was posted.


20 posted on 05/09/2014 10:17:10 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: dr_lew

“You might not think of a gun, but she was upset and this was a major life milestone.”

I took the keys away from my spouse 3 years ago. Her Dr. wouldn’t do it, Our lawyer insisted. She may very well wanted to kill me for a short time. I didn’t call the cops. She got over it...


21 posted on 05/09/2014 10:27:38 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

A six year old is unlikely to disobey the command of a uniformed adult to put the gun down on the ground.

An angry and slightly demented granny is very likely to do what she damn well pleases and to hell with everyone else.

There is a huge difference between a child who is immature rather than irrational and an aged and demented adult. The former has very little concept or practice at exercising personal autonomy while the latter is very practiced at it and will be highly resistant to being told what to do (like giving up driving).

I don’t know how isolated her home is, but if a 93 year old was firing off rounds in my neighborhood, it would be very unsafe and she would constitute a threat not just to the cop but to people in their homes nearby.


22 posted on 05/09/2014 10:34:32 PM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: babygene

Well see, you had expert knowledge. That’s what I’m saying. How is it going to come out? “Something just told me.” or “Gosh, I had know idea.”


23 posted on 05/09/2014 10:36:30 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Valpal1

“I don’t know how isolated her home is, but if a 93 year old was firing off rounds in my neighborhood, it would be very unsafe and she would constitute a threat not just to the cop but to people in their homes nearby.”

Doesn’t alter anything... Did she fire off rounds because the cop confronted her?


24 posted on 05/09/2014 10:56:45 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: gaijin

That was awful. I won’t forget that for quite some time, because the fellow was so pathetic. Now in this case, the mob should listen to what her Nephew said happened. They’re looking for any excuse to cast blame and destroy any authority figure. They won’t give up pretending to believe their version of the story for a while. Grandma said “Boy, what did I just say? Give me those damn car keys NOW! That’s a die-rect order!”.


25 posted on 05/09/2014 11:00:37 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: windcliff

Well, she’s no longer suffering from dementia and her worries about a hip replacement seem trivial now...


26 posted on 05/09/2014 11:00:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: windcliff

At this point in the storey we only know what the media is saying. We do not know accurate details of what happened.

This may have been a “good shoot” which was justified. It may have been a “bad shoot” and not justified. Until all the facts are in, we do not know. The officer may be a good officer or he may be a really bad officer.

The most important thing to know is, at this point we do not know.


28 posted on 05/10/2014 12:07:50 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: babygene

>> Most of today’s cops will not. I personally think it”s the training and the type of people they hire

Agreed.

Immunity, pensions, culture, etc. It’s definitely a systematic problem. It seems the result is a force of desensitized automatons.


29 posted on 05/10/2014 12:09:52 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: windcliff

Possible suicide by cop?


30 posted on 05/10/2014 12:32:46 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: babygene

If the son had given her the keys under duress of her threatening him with a gun, she also was likely to have driven the car without being able to pass the exam. Had she killed somebody with the car, the son would have been blamed for aiding and abetting her criminal behavior.

She was responsible for her decisions and her actions. They resulted in her being killed in self defense by those exercising legitimate authority.

Had they not exercised their authority, she might have killed others including herself with the car and her weapon. Armed children and elderly can kill you just as well as a 30 year old soldier. Failing to respect legitimate authority and brandishing deadly force is an accident looking for a place to happen.


31 posted on 05/10/2014 1:04:16 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: windcliff

—Dozens of protesters, including some who came in from Houston, —

Was one of them named Quanell10?


32 posted on 05/10/2014 2:18:10 AM PDT by rightly_dividing
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To: wintertime

Bingo!!!


33 posted on 05/10/2014 2:20:52 AM PDT by snowtigger
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To: Cvengr
-- If the son had given her the keys under duress of her threatening him with a gun, she also was likely to have driven the car without being able to pass the exam. Had she killed somebody with the car, the son would have been blamed for aiding and abetting her criminal behavior. --

FWIW, "duress" is a valid legal defense. He can't win in the court of public opinion, no matter what he does. He's in a lose-lose situation, on that count. That tends to happen in the bubble surrounding irrational people.

34 posted on 05/10/2014 2:42:56 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: windcliff

Roy Jones, having been called all sorts of names, in the original postings of this news item, has gone into ‘cya’ mode.

“Uh, she started shooting at me!”

Well, really nice, now that she is not around to dispute your statement, jerk!

A 93 year old woman, who by all descriptions, has been completely independent for all of those years, suddenly has that freedom taken away, by failing a portion of a driver’s test.

Now, this young man, is demanding the very symbol of her lost freedom, the car keys.

As to the gun, her late husband was a local cop, according to other news stories I’ve read.

How would you feel, if you had to surrender your car keys, forever?


35 posted on 05/10/2014 2:57:31 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: napscoordinator

You never “get used to it”


36 posted on 05/10/2014 3:36:43 AM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Valpal1

Had she waved the gun inside DMV then I’d say good on her...


37 posted on 05/10/2014 4:23:59 AM PDT by maddog55 (I'd be Pro-Choice if we could abort liberals.)
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To: babygene

“I personally think it”s the training and the type of people they hire.”

It’s the degradation of the Culture. Most cpos of 50 years ago would regard todays cops as un-American flaming pussies.


38 posted on 05/10/2014 4:34:47 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: windcliff

Give her the keys, call the cops and report an unlicensed driver as soon as she gets behind the wheel.


39 posted on 05/10/2014 4:39:32 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Terry L Smith

Well, as long as she FELT bad, I guess firing off a few rounds is OK. Please accord everyone the same pass.


40 posted on 05/10/2014 5:18:26 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Moonman62

“You’ve got no cop to hang here, so you’ve got to change the subject. Pathetic.”

That is a typical tactic used by left wing community organizers, mainly in the black communities, as a way of “stirring the pot” and getting people roused up.

It’s the lefts tactic of creating “group think”.

Go through and read some of the other post and you will see the pattern.

It’s an attempt by the left to make it appear as if “right wing extremist” as they like to call us, are violent anti police.


41 posted on 05/10/2014 5:22:17 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Moonman62

Don’t look for to many “I guess I was wrongs”!!!


42 posted on 05/10/2014 5:56:28 AM PDT by ontap
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To: DouglasKC

Really!!!


43 posted on 05/10/2014 5:59:40 AM PDT by ontap
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To: windcliff; Travis McGee
Now Quannell X and other racial malcontents are stirring up the natives. I say bring it.


44 posted on 05/10/2014 6:20:45 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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Cop & Deceased

Had the cop been black, or the victim whom shot at the cop, white, There would not be masses of people gathering clammering for a fight. This is faux outrage ONLY based on skin color, not the real story.

45 posted on 05/10/2014 6:24:40 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
stirring up the natives?

Don't worry about it none.

City Manager Pee Wee Drake be on the case. City Council to vote on paying The Reverend Al Sharpton's travel expenses and speaker's honorarium.

46 posted on 05/10/2014 6:28:54 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Take congress in 2014. Have a Constitutional Convention of the States. Save the Republic.)
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To: DariusBane

That’s the part that jumped out at me too, he called the cops, idiot. She was upset, just leave and let her cool down.


47 posted on 05/10/2014 6:49:16 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: windcliff

It sounds like the old lady was irrational, perhaps had dementia, Alzheimer’s. She failed her driver’s test. Why? Bad eyesight? Perhaps her doctor had ordered her to retest for some reason. Maybe it was just time to renew. Did she have to take a drive in the car or was the test simply written or visual? I don’t know, but for some reason, she failed the test.

It is understandable that the nephew might think that taking her car keys was appropriate. Sounds like she had indicated that she’d keep on driving with our without a license and the nephew decided that it was time to keep her from driving both for her own safety and the safety of others.

If the old lady was firing off shots, she was clearly not in her right mind, whether because of a temper tantrum or dementia. Acting out does not give her a free pass to shoot whomever she pleases, or to endanger others. The officer shot her and for all we know, she kept shooting. We don’t know how close she came to hitting anybody, or how close her house was to other houses or how many bystanders were looking on. All we know is that the officer apparently thought it better to shoot her than let her go on shooting until she either ran out of bullets or hurt someone.

I know an elderly woman (90 years old) with Alzheimer’s and can tell you that they can throw temper tantrums, lash out in ways one might find appalling and frightening. There are even reports of Alzheimer’s patients killing people that they knew and loved. The woman I know was convinced that she could drive, knew where to go, etc. Some days are good, and some are apparently terrible.

I am sad for the people involved, for the family of the woman and for the officer who has to live with the shooting, regardless of whether or not it was appropriate. If the woman was ill, and I’m guessing that at the very best she was not clear headed—going off on her nephew with a gun is a good indication— then who knows what she might have done if not stopped. It’s sad, but before we condemn the officer, we need the full story, including the previous mental status of the dead woman.


48 posted on 05/10/2014 7:56:57 AM PDT by Marty
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To: windcliff

Yep. Cops investigating cops is a big mistake and conflict of interest, but if this story is legitimate it’s a good shooting.


49 posted on 05/10/2014 8:30:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: wideawake

Senile old ladies need medical intervention. Wait until she forgets or goes to sleep.


50 posted on 05/10/2014 8:33:12 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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