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Kherson (Ukraine) governor calls Hitler 'liberator' addressing veterans on Victory Day
RT ^ | 5-10-2014 | RT

Posted on 05/10/2014 9:17:20 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Addressing the public on a Victory Day, the governor of Ukraine’s southern Kherson region trampled on the feelings of many veterans and desecrated the memory of all those who perished during the war against Nazi Germany by calling Hitler a “liberator.”

Governor of Kherson region Yuri Odarchenko was booed by thousands including WWII veterans when he told the previously cheering crowd that the Soviet Union tried to enslave Ukraine, while Hitler on the other hand tried to bring freedom to their land.

“Those [Soviet] aggressors justified their capture not only by their desire to seize others' territory and enslave the people, but they also put forward slogans about liberating nations and people that inhabit the lands which Hitler hoped to capture,” Odarchenko told the crowd.

Painting his version of the events further, he challenged history by saying that “if you read history books, we have a number of documentaries on this, then we see that he [Hitler] first of all put forward a slogan of liberating people from the communist yoke, and liberating people from the tyrant Stalin,” Odarchenko said, sparking anger and outraged by the crowd.

As thousands yelled out “shame”, a young woman with a child approached the governor, stripped him of the microphone, before throwing it away.

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KEYWORDS: civilwar; kherson; khersonagitprop; khersonlies; nazi; ukraine
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Evidently, Yuri Odarchenko is from Yulia Tymoshenko "Fatherland Party", a hard-right nationalist party from Western Ukraine.

Given recent events, is this guy TONE DEAF? This plays right in to the "Ukrainian Nazi's" meme.

Video of it is HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A05s6GrztbQ#t=136 Note what happens about two minutes in.

1 posted on 05/10/2014 9:17:20 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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Well, unless there’s some problem in translation here, the guy is right. Hitler did “put forward a slogan of liberating people from the communist yoke, and liberating people from the tyrant Stalin”. It was a lie, but it sure sounded good to those oppressed by the Soviets.

Sooner or later people have to admit that the Soviets WERE NOT THE GOOD GUYS IN WWII. They were allied to the good guys - the U.S. and Britain. The Soviets were as evil as the Nazis.


2 posted on 05/10/2014 9:20:57 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

Yes, the Soviets treated the Ukraine about like the Nazis treated the Jews. They killed millions of people in the 1930s, all dutifully covered up by the New York Times.


3 posted on 05/10/2014 9:23:38 AM PDT by cdcdawg (Be seeing you...)
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To: tcrlaf

I like the governor. He’s got guts to tell the truth in front of a hostile, communist, hammer-and-sickle waving bunch of jackasses like that.


4 posted on 05/10/2014 9:25:01 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“the Soviets WERE NOT THE GOOD GUYS IN WWII.”

They weren’t...
They were just as brutal, and more, than the Nazi’s were.

But, since William Shirer, himself a Socialist and admirer of the Soviet Union, wrote the “Official” English-language history of WW2 (”Rise and Fall of The Third Reich”), and “Socialism” was so popular within certain elements in the west (Hollywood, the national press) the crimes of the Soviets were largely whitewashed, if mentioned at all.

That said, today’s Russia is not yesterday’s Soviet Union.


5 posted on 05/10/2014 9:28:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Ukie fascists of course are trying to rehabilitate Nazism. This is not acceptable under ANY circumstances. The Kherson governor defiled the Victory Day for all the Soviet people and the country’s 20 million dead.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 9:28:21 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: tcrlaf
I don't speak Russian so I don't know what the guy said.

But what I do know is that the people screaming are holding hammer and sickle flags and there are a lot of those flags there.

Speaking of being tone deaf that's playing right into the Russians are Communists meme.

Did you miss that?

7 posted on 05/10/2014 9:28:38 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf

So Freepers are mad at Russia and defending this Ukraine?


8 posted on 05/10/2014 9:29:40 AM PDT by wardaddy (we will not take back our way of life through peaceful means.....i have 5 kids....i fear for them)
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To: tcrlaf

“Given recent events, is this guy TONE DEAF?”

Would you be tone deaf if you said Trayvon Martin was just a thug or would you be right?

“This plays right in to the “Ukrainian Nazi’s” meme.”

No, the guy is a patriot and loves his country - Ukraine. Thus, he is not going to accept the communist meme that everything communist was hunky dory and all those opposed to communism (or now Russia) were (or now are) Nazis and fascists. Sadly, some FReepers are themselves apparently more pinko than they realize and easily fall for the communist meme.


9 posted on 05/10/2014 9:29:45 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: tcrlaf

In the autumn of 1941, about 10,000 Jews were killed in the city of Kherson alone. It is estimated that at least 47,000 Red Army soldiers died while force-crossing the Dnieper as they tried to liberate the city from the Nazis.


10 posted on 05/10/2014 9:30:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't believe everything you read on the Internet. And anything from the MSM.)
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To: tcrlaf

The Soviets were German Allies when the war started, and they jointly started the war when they agreed with the Nazis to carve up Poland.

Without the Non-Aggression Pact, it’s doubtful if Hitler could have invaded Poland.


11 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: tcrlaf

When you find yourself having to make excuses for Nazis, you are seriously looking at something the wrong way. And the really funny thing about the situation is that these idiots’ new Führer (Soros) is Jewish...


12 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:10 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: tcrlaf

“That said, today’s Russia is not yesterday’s Soviet Union.”

Except that it is run by many of the same people. Putin is a former KGB agent. Notice the Hammer-and-Sickle flags in the video by the way?


13 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:10 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“He’s got guts to tell the truth”

Playing right in to Russian memes about the “Kiev Nazi’s”.

Truth or not, it is INCREDIBLY politically stupid, given current events. Especially on the day dedicated to celebrating those who died in WW2.

Imagine someone from La Raza giving a like speech on the National Mall on July 4th, or Memorial Day?


14 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:30 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
is this guy tone deaf?

I'm just a person who's fascinated with history and watching it unfold. If the Kiev gov had done their role correctly....temporary, impartial, not making major decisions and just holding things in place until there was a nation-wide election, before Crimea got to do one on their own, think what might have been. They could've been an idependent neutral state benefitting from being the gate between Russia and the EU. The thing to do would've been to drive the corrupt Oligarchs out of power.

Instead, the aspire to be an in-debt source of cheap labor for the EU. Burning people inside a building in Odessa after chasing them in there might go down in history as the first day of the permanent split of Ukraine. And now, praising Hitler when people are fearing a rise of neo-Nazism and at the celebration to his defeat? Wow.

The pro-Kiev posters will be here soon calling me a Putinista or uninformed or whatever. But what is it they're doing, if not to antagonize for a war? I'd assume a huge chunk of eastern Ukraine is gone to them after Odessa. Ukrainians are intelligent, determined, resourceful people as a group. Those in the east are not going to be subdued by bullying.

That's just my take.

15 posted on 05/10/2014 9:32:38 AM PDT by grania
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To: tcrlaf
Russia Neo-Nazism
In a 2007 news story, the ABC News reported, "In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total."
16 posted on 05/10/2014 9:32:56 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: goldstategop

“The Kherson governor defiled the Victory Day for all the Soviet people and the country’s 20 million dead.”

It matters that someone defiled something for “all the Soviet people”? When did we start caring about not defiling communism - especially with the truth about what slogans Hitler used?


17 posted on 05/10/2014 9:34:09 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: tcrlaf

I remember many years ago being told by my history teacher that when Hitler first invaded Russia he entered the Ukraine and WAS looked on as a liberator; Stalin had been murdering the Ukrainians and they had hope Hitler would be a help. They had no idea what he would turn to be.

Booing the guy doesn’t change history.


18 posted on 05/10/2014 9:34:12 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: vladimir998

“Notice the Hammer-and-Sickle flags in the video by the way?”

It was World War two Remembrance Day. That is flag they died under.

Or do you think the Confederate flag, and the Gadsden flag, should be banned in the US, as well??


19 posted on 05/10/2014 9:35:23 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania

Nice to see someone gets the point.


20 posted on 05/10/2014 9:36:48 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: grania

“But what is it they’re doing, if not to antagonize for a war?”

Your comment is irrational. Do you really believe that the Ukrainians think they will win - without immense cost - a war with the much larger, much better armed, much wealthier Russia?

And yet you claim “I’m just a person who’s fascinated with history and watching it unfold”? Yeah, sure.


21 posted on 05/10/2014 9:37:18 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: tcrlaf
In 1979, had an interesting conversation with the mother of a Marine friend of my dad's. She was from Latvia and fled with her husband and infant son to the U.S. after WW II. She told me that while the Germans had their bad moments, the Soviets were FAR WORSE (the family was ethnic German, so it could've colored their opinions).

Point was, I had grown up believing while everything the Nazis did was bad, that made anything anybody else did okay. Since then, I've realized that the only thing that was different btw the Soviets and the Nazis was that the Soviets were on our side (and the Soviets being on our side ensured there'd be no anti-war protests in the U.S. during WW II).

22 posted on 05/10/2014 9:38:04 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Nothing is more savage and brutal than justifiably angry Americans. Don’t believe me? Ask the Germa)
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To: tcrlaf
What the guy actually said is that Hitler used the same slogans as Soviets and that they both were aggressors, a kind of “master of the obvious” for all non-Soviets. A horde of ~100 Soviets booed. That's it, the rest is “Ukrainians are Nazis” propaganda spread by filthy soviet garbage.
23 posted on 05/10/2014 9:40:02 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: I still care

“when Hitler first invaded Russia he entered the Ukraine and WAS looked on as a liberator; Stalin had been murdering the Ukrainians and they had hope Hitler would be a help. They had no idea what he would turn to be.

Booing the guy doesn’t change history.”

But doing so at a celebration of those who died is incredibly STUPID, especially given what has been happening.

Again, imagine John Kerry disparaging dead American Soldiers during an official Memorial Day celebration. Would you be outraged?

Talk about bad imagery. It doesn’t matter what the “truth” may be.


24 posted on 05/10/2014 9:40:53 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
t was World War two Remembrance Day. That is flag they died under. Or do you think the Confederate flag, and the Gadsden flag, should be banned in the US, as well??

The Hammer and Sickle, pictures of Stalin and statues of Lenin have been some part of demonstrations in Odessa, Donetsk and other places by pro Russians.

Pretty TONE DEAF, right??

25 posted on 05/10/2014 9:41:21 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Waving the current Russian flag would be better in your opinion?

I know it's difficult for some people to admit, but it was the Soviet Army that liberated Ukraine from the Nazis and the day is a celebration of the Soviet Army defeating the Nazis.

26 posted on 05/10/2014 9:41:35 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: tcrlaf

“It was World War two Remembrance Day. That is flag they died under.”

Oh, so you would expect German WWII commemoration days to be chock full of swastikas, right? Nope, you don’t ever see a single one. The simple fact is the Russians and other communists have never been able to admit that their fathers and grandfathers died for a sick, disgusting, evil, thieving and murdering political system called COMMUNISM. They didn’t die for Russia. They didn’t die for any good cause. They died fro Stalin and the complete evil, bullsh!t system he imposed on that poor benighted part of the world.

“Or do you think the Confederate flag, and the Gadsden flag, should be banned in the US, as well??”

Do you really think that’s the same thing?


27 posted on 05/10/2014 9:42:01 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Rashputin

“Waving the current Russian flag would be better in your opinion?”

They should wave crosses and stars of David. That would be infinitely more fitting considering the enormous tragedy that those hammers-and-sickles represent.


28 posted on 05/10/2014 9:43:27 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Grzegorz 246

“the rest is “Ukrainians are Nazis” propaganda spread by filthy soviet garbage.”

Perhaps it is.

My point is that it is HORRIBLE imagery on their version of Memorial Day, and plays right in to the “Ukrainian Nazi’s” meme.

Politically, it was an incredibly STUPID thing to say, given current events.


29 posted on 05/10/2014 9:43:45 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Rashputin

” but it was the Soviet Army that liberated Ukraine from the Nazis”

Did the Ukrainians feel that was the case in the 1940s? Not really. One slave master exchanged for another. There was no liberation for Ukraine until 1991.


30 posted on 05/10/2014 9:44:39 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“Do you really think that’s the same thing?”

You don’t.
Forget the hate for a second, and THINK about the imagery this creates.


31 posted on 05/10/2014 9:45:01 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“and plays right in to the “Ukrainian Nazi’s” meme.”

Thanks to people like you.


32 posted on 05/10/2014 9:45:47 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: tcrlaf

“My point is that it is HORRIBLE imagery on their version of Memorial Day, and plays right in to the “Ukrainian Nazi’s” meme.”

But you’re wrong. 1) It’s words and not “imagery”.
2) What the governor said is 100% correct: Hitler had a SLOGAN of liberation of Ukraine. It was a lie, but he had that lying slogan. The governor is absolutely right on that point.


33 posted on 05/10/2014 9:46:34 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
So, someone denies what the Soviets did other than liberate the Ukraine?

And as for the Star of David, the Nazis and Soviets neither one had any shortage of Ukrainian volunteers to help them carry out a Soviet pogrom or Hitler's directives either one.

34 posted on 05/10/2014 9:48:05 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Grzegorz 246

“and plays right in to the “Ukrainian Nazi’s” meme.”
“Thanks to people like you.”

Which must explain why Russian Media is playing it up, right??

All I can do is shake my head in wonder at people that refuse to acknowledge how important imagery is, in the digital age.


35 posted on 05/10/2014 9:48:17 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“You don’t.”

No, I do not think the Stars and Bars is the same as the Hammer-and-Sickle. Do you?

“Forget the hate for a second, and THINK about the imagery this creates.”

There is no imagery. He said WORDS - which were true. It’s RT - which is misquoting him of context in the headline - and you posting here who is creating [propaganda] imagery. You’re their willing stooge. Again, he said SLOGAN. He was clearly pointing out that Hitler had a slogan of liberation. Well, that’s a fact. So? You’re making it sound like he was praising Hitler by saying that. He wasn’t.


36 posted on 05/10/2014 9:50:07 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“2) What the governor said is 100% correct:”

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER whether it is true or not.

I’m repeating myself, but what part of “Bad Imagery” is it you don’t understand?


37 posted on 05/10/2014 9:50:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“Which must explain why Russian Media is playing it up, right??”

YES, because they know willing stooges like you will fall for it because you won’t even take time to look at the actual quote and how it differs from what is said in the headline.

You’ve been suckered and it was so easily done.


38 posted on 05/10/2014 9:51:45 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
What's more, the guy was likely deliberately provoked by a soviet crowd waving soviet flags and RT was there ready for the planned event. It's all soviet psy-ops.
39 posted on 05/10/2014 9:52:00 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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From a Russian point of view they choose to ignore Holdomor and of course preventing the Russians from “liberating” Prague by remnants of the German armed and uniformed Vlasoff’s Ukrainian army. They were fighting the Russians then the SS which they drove out surrendering the Czech capital to the Czech resistance. Thus keeping the Russians out temporairily. As their reward the Czechs gave the Ukrainians a death sentence by handing them over to the Russians.


40 posted on 05/10/2014 9:52:23 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: All

From a Russian point of view they choose to ignore Holdomor and of course preventing the Russians from “liberating” Prague by remnants of the German armed and uniformed Vlasoff’s Ukrainian army. They were fighting the Russians then the SS which they drove out surrendering the Czech capital to the Czech resistance. Thus keeping the Russians out temporairily. As their reward the Czechs gave the Ukrainians a death sentence by handing them over to the Russians.


41 posted on 05/10/2014 9:53:38 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Serious contribution pause.Please continue onto meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: vladimir998
Oh, that justifies joining the SS and helping run the camps for the Jews? That justifies helping Nazis slaughter Jews and other undesirables in Ukraine?

And don't bother with BS about that not being Ukrainian volunteers, I have uncles who took those SS bastards prisoner at camps and they thought they'd get out of everything by saying just what you said.

Come on, both sides in the Ukraine have plenty of blood on their hands if you want to go back to WWII and both have blood on their hands since, at the moment with a slight edge going to the Right Sector and their pals running the country for using the Ukrainian Army against protestors and civilians no worse than they were when they were seizing power.

Pretending the jerkoffs who overthrew the government are anything but one coalition of factions that took over by force is the biggest scam of all and excusing one idiot on one side while condemning the idiots on the other is just a way to avoid the hard realities of the Ukraine.

42 posted on 05/10/2014 9:54:11 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: mosesdapoet
As their reward the Czechs gave the Ukrainians a death sentence by handing them over to the Russians.

Our hands aren't clean, neither.

Operation Keelhaul

43 posted on 05/10/2014 9:54:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Grzegorz 246

“the guy was likely deliberately provoked by a soviet crowd waving soviet flags and RT was there ready for the planned event. It’s all soviet psy-ops.”

The video was originally posted to YouTube by some local blogger, not by RT. But you keep thinking that, k?

Does it make it easier to ignore that way?


44 posted on 05/10/2014 9:55:24 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

“Again, it DOES NOT MATTER whether it is true or not.”

BULLSH!T! The TRUTH ALWAYS matters. What people too dumb to recognize the truth - people like yourself - do with it is an entirely different matter. Why, for instance, didn’t your first post say something (truthfully too) along the lines of:

“Russian propaganda tool Russia Today quotes Ukrainian governor out of context in a headline to make him look like he was praising Hitler when he was not.”

That’s what happened. Why didn’t you focus on that? No, no, no, you focus on exactly the propaganda meme the Russians want you to pass on, stooge.

“I’m repeating myself, but what part of “Bad Imagery” is it you don’t understand?”

What part of you’re being a propaganda passing stooge do you not understand?


45 posted on 05/10/2014 9:56:31 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: tcrlaf; Grzegorz 246

“The video was originally posted to YouTube by some local blogger, not by RT. But you keep thinking that, k?”

But you found it at Russia Today, right stooge? Be honest. That’s where you found it, right? Come on now, fess up.


46 posted on 05/10/2014 9:58:05 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Rashputin
I know it's difficult for some people to admit, but it was the Soviet Army that liberated Ukraine from the Nazis and the day is a celebration of the Soviet Army defeating the Nazis.

I know it's difficult to admit the full history for some, but here's a more complete history.

Soviets exterminate 5 - 7 million Ukrainians in the 30's. Some Jewish Bolsheviks participated.

Nazis "liberate" Ukrainians from the Soviets in WWII.

Some Ukrainians kill Jews during WWII.

Nazis then exterminate 3 million Ukrainians during WWII.

Soviets "liberate" Ukrainians from Nazis during WWII.

Soviets impose communism on Ukrainians after WWII.

The Cold War results in Ukrainians being liberated from the Soviets.

2014, along comes Putin.

47 posted on 05/10/2014 9:58:22 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: vladimir998

“Again, it DOES NOT MATTER whether it is true or not.”

“BULLSH!T! The TRUTH ALWAYS matters.”

Obama-Elected
Putin-Elected

In the digital age, IMAGERY can be far more important than truth. And we have so many examples of that from the last decade to look back on.

To ignore that simple TRUTH is to deny life in the 21st Century.


48 posted on 05/10/2014 9:59:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

http://rt.com/news/germans-support-putin-ukraine-265/


49 posted on 05/10/2014 10:00:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: vladimir998
” but it was the Soviet Army that liberated Ukraine from the Nazis” Did the Ukrainians feel that was the case in the 1940s? Not really. One slave master exchanged for another. There was no liberation for Ukraine until 1991.

Yup. Makes the waving of the Hammer-and-Sickle flag in Ukraine pretty TONE DEATH, especially now given what Russia is doing.

50 posted on 05/10/2014 10:01:33 AM PDT by FreeReign
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