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Texas officer who shot armed 93-year-old fired
The Houston Chronicle ^ | 05-10-2014 | The Associated Press

Posted on 05/10/2014 4:20:01 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016

HEARNE, Texas (AP) — Officials in a small Central Texas town voted Saturday to fire a police officer who shot and killed an armed 93-year-old woman during a confrontation at her home.

The city council's unanimous vote to dismiss Officer Stephen Stem came after a meeting that lasted less than 30 minutes, KBTX-TV reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at chron.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 93yearold; abuseofpower; cop; lawenforcement; shooting; texas
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1 posted on 05/10/2014 4:20:01 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

Please quit shooting us.


2 posted on 05/10/2014 4:22:18 PM PDT by FreeperCell
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To: PaulCruz2016
"Remember when cops came to your neighborhood and helped a cat down from a tree? Well, I come from South Central Los Angeles, and in my hood......SH*T AIN'T LIKE THAT...!!!"

Ice Tea

I used to hate Ice Tea, and I really do hate all that music, but you know what..?

NOW I UNDERSTAND.

3 posted on 05/10/2014 4:23:16 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: PaulCruz2016

Now prosecute.


4 posted on 05/10/2014 4:23:28 PM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: PaulCruz2016

He may end up owning that town.


5 posted on 05/10/2014 4:24:23 PM PDT by Rannug ("all enemies, foreign and domestic")
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To: PaulCruz2016

That was the second person the officer shot in his two years on the force.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 4:24:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: PaulCruz2016; GeronL

He was fired after he fired?


7 posted on 05/10/2014 4:25:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: PaulCruz2016

And he was promptly rehired by DHS.


8 posted on 05/10/2014 4:28:17 PM PDT by bayliving
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To: gaijin

Body Count:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0kul9nUImmg#t=11


9 posted on 05/10/2014 4:28:20 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: a fool in paradise

“He was fired after he fired?”

Yea...city council figured tried give it a shot. No telling what it’ll lead to. Just a shell game now. Cop’ll probably claim wrongful termination.


10 posted on 05/10/2014 4:32:40 PM PDT by moovova
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To: wonkowasright
Now prosecute.

And execute.

11 posted on 05/10/2014 4:32:59 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: moovova

tried = they’d


12 posted on 05/10/2014 4:33:28 PM PDT by moovova
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To: PaulCruz2016

Progressive Liberal mentality has ruined our Country.. Our excitable dogs and elderly relatives with dementia are no longer safe around fearful, trigger happy police officers.


13 posted on 05/10/2014 4:34:09 PM PDT by DivineMomentsOfTruth ("Give me Liberty or I'll stand up and get it for myself!")
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To: All

next time a black person waves around a loaded gun, the police will think twice about shooting.

oh, crap, I hope its a white guy with a gun if I ever get jacked, just so the police don’t hesitate to protect me.


14 posted on 05/10/2014 4:35:09 PM PDT by willywill
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To: PaulCruz2016

In all honesty, 93 years old or not, whatever this cop’s record, the lady did fire first (if the reports are to be believed). If a person shoots at you, you have the right to defend yourself.


15 posted on 05/10/2014 4:37:31 PM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard (Pope Calvin the 1st, defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades)
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To: PaulCruz2016

Her nephew - who called the police - said she was enraged because she failed the driving test at the DMV. When she got home, she took out her gun and began threating to kill him (the nephew) and he called the police.

He says she fired two shots at the cops before they fired at her.

So let’s get a grip and wait for the investigation to be over. A 93 year old can kill you as much as anybody else can. We had an incident here where a crazy old lady in her 90s blew away the grand-nephew who was caring for her, a wonderful man who had a great family and worked for the local college. She was just nuts and got annoyed about something. He called the police but it was too late and he was dead when they got there.

Just because she was old didn’t mean she couldn’t have killed the nephew, the cops or anybody she fired on.


16 posted on 05/10/2014 4:37:49 PM PDT by livius
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To: gaijin

Ice tea is one of the good guys from what I remember.


17 posted on 05/10/2014 4:38:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I saw one report where she got off a couple of shots first. It will be interesting to see which story proves out.


18 posted on 05/10/2014 4:38:42 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: livius

I understand what youre saying and there was a time I had faith in an investigation but the police are doing the investigation and I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them all.


19 posted on 05/10/2014 4:41:16 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

She was carrying the gun and had threatened to shoot her son unless he returned her car keys. When the officer told her to drop the gun she fired twice into the ground before the officer fired at her. He could have used a taser instead.


20 posted on 05/10/2014 4:42:36 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (The number one enemy of liberalism is reality.)
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To: Rannug
He may end up owning that town.

Yes, maybe a small plot of ground down at the cemetery ,if'n some of her kin find him.

21 posted on 05/10/2014 4:43:37 PM PDT by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: livius

The guy fired 5 rounds with 3 hits. I believe this guy may have been in the right. I also believe he’s a typical trigger happy cop who should not be on the police force.


22 posted on 05/10/2014 4:45:04 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: willywill
next time a black person waves around a loaded gun, the police will think twice about shooting.

oh, crap, I hope its a white guy with a gun if I ever get jacked, just so the police don’t hesitate to protect me.

Wow, willy! So I guess using your flawless logic, all black people are the same, huh? So Pearlie, shown here, is just as dangerous as all those other darkies, I guess...


I mean, you seem to be upset that the thug cop was fired for shooting Pearlie, a 93-year old woman, and you say "next time a black person waves around a loaded gun"...so you are abstracting all black people into a single class with your statement.

Then you push the envelope even further by saying "oh, crap, I hope its a white guy with a gun if I ever get jacked, just so the police don’t hesitate to protect me." So again, white people are OK to shoot?

You sure you're on the right web site?

23 posted on 05/10/2014 4:45:26 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I think it should be made clear to a LEO when hired, that his job was to protect ALL citizens, black, white, yellow and green. The young and the old and even the crazy’s and the criminals. And to do this without killing them.

If a cop killed a person, even in self defense, he or she wound be fired. It ‘s the cops job to be able to handle and defuse a situation, not to escalate it. If a cop can’t handle this, then we need to replace him or her with one who can.

So if your life in danger (the cop’s), go ahead and kill the perp. Knowing that you will lose your job... (still better than getting killed)

They need to have some skin in the game...


24 posted on 05/10/2014 4:45:47 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: PaulCruz2016

This was a crazy lady who had a death wish that day.


25 posted on 05/10/2014 4:49:29 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: PaulCruz2016

Some of the comments on here are absolutely ignorant. o one has to meet deadly force with less lethal...period...none of you would...neither should police officers...


26 posted on 05/10/2014 4:51:14 PM PDT by bike800
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To: bike800

Look, .38 is an underpowered round. Cops wear ballistic armor. If you can’t take a few puny .38 rounds from a feeble 93 year old lady, you have NO business being a cop. He should have waded in there and plucked the gun out of the lady’s hand.


27 posted on 05/10/2014 4:52:33 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: RginTN
This was a crazy lady who had a death wish that day.

And you're able to get inside her head how?


28 posted on 05/10/2014 4:52:47 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: RginTN

“This was a crazy lady who had a death wish that day.”

Doesn’t matter... It SHOULD be the cop’s job to handle ANY situation in such a way as to not leave someone dead. If they can’t do that, their not suited for the job.


29 posted on 05/10/2014 4:52:56 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Lazamataz

Ahh...so now we must take the bullet first...if it hits the vest...go tackle her...if it hits the sweet spot under the arm or lower torso....well that just sux to be the cop...give me a break


30 posted on 05/10/2014 4:54:51 PM PDT by bike800
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To: Lazamataz

“He should have waded in there and plucked the gun out of the lady’s hand.”

Even dog catchers don’t just kill dogs because they don’t heel, fetch or roll over...


31 posted on 05/10/2014 4:57:27 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I am rabidly anti-thugcop. But according to the article, she shot first. If so, this was a good shoot by an officer and an idiotic move by the town.


32 posted on 05/10/2014 4:57:31 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: PaulCruz2016
He was railroaded by political correctness.

The perp's own nephew says she fired at the officer.

33 posted on 05/10/2014 4:58:02 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: unixfox

You are laughably uninformed.


34 posted on 05/10/2014 4:59:19 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: bike800; Lazmataz
Ahh...so now we must take the bullet first...if it hits the vest...go tackle her...if it hits the sweet spot under the arm or lower torso....well that just sux to be the cop...give me a break

So I assume you are an experienced law officer? We have had posts from experienced, retired LEOs on other threads who have said that in past, similar situations, they have handled them exactly as Laz indicated. One retired LEO FreePer said that he once had to approach a drunken citizen with a shotgun who kept yelling at him "I'm gonna KILL you!" He knew that he wouldn't if he hadn't by that time, and by the time he got near enough, he grabbed the rifle away from him.

But I guess, in your world, it's better to just shoot a 93-year old woman dead...

35 posted on 05/10/2014 4:59:41 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: VerySadAmerican

If somebody’s shooting at you, sorry, you shoot back. Even if you’re a cop. Contrary to popular opinion, they can’t shoot the gun out of the bad guy’s hand.

This old lady, btw, may have been fine much of the time but was probably a little nutty (Alzheimer’s often makes people very anger-prone) and had simply flown beneath the radar until she went to get her driver’s license renewed.


36 posted on 05/10/2014 4:59:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: bike800
Ahh...so now we must take the bullet first...if it hits the vest...go tackle her...if it hits the sweet spot under the arm or lower torso....well that just sux to be the cop...give me a break

Get brave or get off the force!

Ya contemptible weenie.

37 posted on 05/10/2014 5:01:02 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: livius
If somebody’s shooting at you, sorry, you shoot back.

She was shooting at him? Where in the story did it say that?

38 posted on 05/10/2014 5:02:08 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: bike800
It should be no surprise that officers view the people they initiate contact with with suspicion as well. They have to. Untill the person does demonstrates that they are not a threat to them. The trick is not painting the entire public with one brush...like some freepers do with cops. I have been a cop for 22 years. I am proud of my service. That being said, cops my age are noticing that police work is heading in a direction we are not comfortable with. The only thing we can do is train new officers in “old school” values. We are seeing young people get into police work that have different values than we do. Different ideas of what’s police should or should not be able to do. (no family values ...public schools?) I have three years to go till I can get out...i pray I make it.

BTW, I saw this post from another thread when I looked you over. You sound like a decent cop.

So I'll let you in on a secret: I was trolling you. :)

Sometimes I'm in the mood to troll a cop a little. The current crop of cops are bad news, and have made me become extremely anti-police. They dress like they are in Mogadishu, act like they are in Afghanistan, and behave like they are on Operation Desert Storm.

In America.

Not cool.

39 posted on 05/10/2014 5:05:34 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I read a summary of this yesterday.

The son says the old woman fired two shots at the cops before they shot back.

Is that true?


40 posted on 05/10/2014 5:05:39 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: PaulCruz2016

The cop should have done a tuck and roll, then shot the pistol out of her hand from the prone position.

Did they stop teaching that in mall ninja school?


41 posted on 05/10/2014 5:05:46 PM PDT by davetex (Location: The Alamo)
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To: PaulCruz2016

I hope he sues their asses off and owns that crappy little town full of Third World PsOS.


42 posted on 05/10/2014 5:05:48 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

There’s not much doubt in my mind that if the 93-year-old lady had been white and conservative this whole thing would be over and forgotten by now.


43 posted on 05/10/2014 5:07:59 PM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
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To: wideawake
11 or 93, shoot at me and I will not miss you back. The officer must have aggravated
the situation if they fired him. I've had Police try to intimidate me into saying or
doing something, for not talking to them. Some people can break while being intimidated.
44 posted on 05/10/2014 5:08:33 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Lazamataz; bike800
The current crop of cops...dress like they are in Mogadishu, act like they are in Afghanistan, and behave like they are on Operation Desert Storm.

In America.


I've noticed this too, Laz, and I'm sure you and I aren't the only ones.
45 posted on 05/10/2014 5:09:25 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: Lazamataz

I have 22.5 years on...will retire when I am ready. and as for your judgments of people you don’t know, well, that speaks volumes. I peruse this site because I have similar beliefs about big government, and I am a conservative at heart. I get news and information here that I can’t find elsewhere... I may on occasion voice my opinion about topics that I actually have experience in, or ask questions about topics that I would like to know more about. I don’t expect to be called names by people that don’t know me, my circumstances.


46 posted on 05/10/2014 5:10:46 PM PDT by bike800
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47 posted on 05/10/2014 5:11:20 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: FreeperCell
>"Please quit shooting us."

But it's a war on Drugs US CITIZENS! Ya don't see em shooting drugs. They aren't kicking in the doors at Johnson and Johnson!

Ronnie said it was a good thing.Time to stop worshiping everything Ronnie said and did. He did do a lot of great things. This is NOT one of them!

Declaring War on half the US population was a good thing? Conservatives are obviously just as capable and culpable at blind leadership as Lieberals!


This nation did just fine before Carrie Nation and the Highway crew paved the road!

48 posted on 05/10/2014 5:12:12 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: davetex

I use the backflip 1/2 double and fire while in the air. Takes practice.


49 posted on 05/10/2014 5:12:37 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: bike800
Stinker 😊
50 posted on 05/10/2014 5:13:54 PM PDT by bike800
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