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Policing for Profit? Lawmakers, advocates raise alarm at growing govít power to seize property
FoxNews ^ | May 9, 2014 | Barnini Chakraborty

Posted on 05/10/2014 5:26:21 PM PDT by Innovative

In civil forfeiture, authorities don’t have to prove guilt, file charges or obtain a conviction before seizing private property. Critics say it is a process ripe for abuse, and one which leaves citizens little means of fighting back.

They said they wanted his Tewksbury, Mass., business – and the land it was on – because they suspected it was a hotbed for drug-dealing and prostitution.

After a four-day trial, on Jan. 24, 2013, a federal judge in Boston dismissed the forfeiture action against the motel, ruling that the government engaged in “gross exaggeration” of the evidence and did not have authority to seize the property.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: governmentabuse; nodueprocess; property; realestate
At least the judge was sane. But apparently the laws aren't...
1 posted on 05/10/2014 5:26:21 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative

“Critics say it is a process ripe for abuse....”

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No sh*t, Dick Tracy.


2 posted on 05/10/2014 5:39:02 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Innovative
Vice-admiralty courts.

King George III would have been proud how our Masters have slipped around the Constitution and the Declaration without triggering retribution...

Cliven Bundy is RACISS!!!

3 posted on 05/10/2014 5:42:48 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Innovative
It's the direct outgrowth of the War on Drugs.
4 posted on 05/10/2014 5:42:59 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

just like NAZI Germany and Soviet Union tyranny - but always the so-called WOD with some people as if all bad things happen because not everybody is high. Legalize it and the tyranny remains without a doubt.


5 posted on 05/10/2014 5:47:31 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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6 posted on 05/10/2014 5:52:00 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Innovative; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

7 posted on 05/10/2014 5:53:43 PM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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8 posted on 05/10/2014 6:00:50 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle)
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To: null and void

If the system won’t protect you then they have sided with the thieves of the enemy.


9 posted on 05/10/2014 6:02:30 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: GeronL
Legalize it and the tyranny remains without a doubt.

How can one legalize what is not legitimately lawful to prohibit?
This is to say: how can one legalize what congress has no power to illegalize?

The entire War on Drugs is predicated on the fallacy that is Wickard v. Filburn.
Covering for these bad decisions has lead to the ridiculous ruling that non-comerce is regulable by congress under the interstate commerce clause.

10 posted on 05/10/2014 6:07:39 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

The prison pimps have no time for such logic and analysis, let alone discussion or reform. They cower at the mere thought that someone would choose something other than alcohol to unwind. They see themselves as the kingpins of our nation of jailers, unaccountable for their actions and immune to the reality of their precious antidrug policies.


11 posted on 05/10/2014 6:37:31 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: Innovative
I noticed this one way back in 1993. I complained to everyone I knew that the end result was the police state we find ourself facing. Everyone made fun of my assertion.

How d'ya like me NOW.

12 posted on 05/10/2014 6:39:15 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Early 2009 to 7/21/2013 - RIP my little girl Cathy. You were the best cat ever. You will be missed.)
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To: null and void

Better yet...what’s mine is mine and what’s your is mine


13 posted on 05/10/2014 7:53:00 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: GeronL

Some people are smart enough to remember how these laws were justified and it was directly due to the war on (some) drugs. Without the justification for these laws the laws don’t need to exist anymore.


14 posted on 05/10/2014 8:13:43 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Lady Jag

Could you provide a source for that quote? I don’t recall it.


15 posted on 05/10/2014 8:17:37 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97n-uqJC2Jw


16 posted on 05/10/2014 8:20:58 PM PDT by Lady Jag (Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. - Aristotle)
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To: Lady Jag

Kennedy was talking about communism. He sounds so reasonable compared to what we have now. The govt we have now is un-American.


17 posted on 05/10/2014 10:01:38 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: Innovative

Bump


18 posted on 05/11/2014 4:09:40 AM PDT by Roses0508
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To: null and void; ml/nj; nolongerademocrat; sheik yerbouty; ExTexasRedhead; Sean Hannity; holdonnow; ..
JFK: "You cannot negotiate with people who say what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable."

As has been said many times in recent years, JFK would have no place in today's Washington Democratic Party, most certainly not as a presidential candidate.

19 posted on 05/11/2014 2:25:15 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Lady Jag; All
JFK: "There's a plot in this country to enslave every man, woman, and child. Before I leave this high office, I intend to expose this plot."

I was somewhat aware of politics at that time, yet I have no recollection whatsoever of this quote. What is the source, and it accurate, what do you suppose JFK was referring to?

20 posted on 05/11/2014 2:30:12 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Lazamataz
I noticed this one way back in 1993. I complained to everyone I knew that the end result was the police state we find ourself facing. Everyone made fun of my assertion.

I too have been yelling about this for longer than I can even remember.  Supporters of the war on drugs are some of the biggest dangers to liberty this country has. I'm sick to death of the 'left' and 'right' taking turns destroying my rights from both sides.

21 posted on 05/11/2014 6:07:36 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: Durus

Some people are smart enough to remember how these laws were justified and it was directly due to the war on (some) drugs. Without the justification for these laws the laws don’t need to exist anymore.

You'd think so, if you are a rational thinker. However, if you actually go back, and dig through the prescident (sp?) that are the foundations of the war on drugs, and follow the rabbit all the way down the hole, you will find that the entire ediface of the drug war rests primarily upon cases adjudicated during prohibition.

Think about that for a second. Why were the laws correctly decided originally? Well, we have a constitutional amendment making those laws legal. They were directly supported by a (stupidly enacted) amendment to the constitution itself. Therefore, the laws had a firm foundation.

Now ... how did prohibition end? Right! They repealed the amendment that was used to build that entire foundation of case law. Why weren't all those cases and decisions rendered moot from a precident perspective after the repeal of prohibition? Well, the government decided it liked the power it had usurped, and didn't want to give it back.

Lots of people point to the commerce clause (and the many evils that surround it) when looking at drug laws, but ultimately, the case law was not buillt on commerce. It was built on an existant constitutional amendment. The entirety of the war on drugs is a house without a foundation.

Yet we sell have freepers that support it.

 

22 posted on 05/11/2014 6:19:49 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: justiceseeker93
I was somewhat aware of politics at that time, yet I have no recollection whatsoever of this quote. What is the source, and it accurate, what do you suppose JFK was referring to?

I'm not sure where it comes from or even if it is accurate, but my best guess is the federal reserve, given what was going on at the time.

 

23 posted on 05/11/2014 6:21:10 PM PDT by zeugma (Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened - Dr. Seuss (I'll see you again someday Hope))
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To: zeugma
Some people will support the "authority" regardless of whom the "authority" is and regardless if their power is legitimate.

Thank God that these people weren't in charge during the times of the American Revolution or it wouldn't have happened.

24 posted on 05/11/2014 7:36:59 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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