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Edward Snowden: Russian Agent, Chinese Agent, or Russo-Sino Agent?
Wall Street Journal via The Streetwise Professor ^ | May 10, 2014 | Wall Street Journal via The Professor

Posted on 05/10/2014 8:23:46 PM PDT by No One Special

Edited on 05/10/2014 8:34:10 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

I will take credit for being one of the first to point out the fact that Snowdenís whistleblower narrative was a total crock because after the initial flurry his leaks had little to do with NSA surveillance of individuals, but instead revealed information that was highly damaging to US national security and foreign policy. The only question in my mind was when he was when he became a Russian asset. I still donít know, but as I also pointed out a while ago, the fact that collected disproportionately such national security-related information made it very plausible that he was tasked to collect this information, and given the identity of the ultimate beneficiary-Russia-it was also plausible that he was Russiaís witting or unwitting tool from the get go.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: propaganda; snowden
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1 posted on 05/10/2014 8:23:46 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

If the US intelligence community targeted Americans MORE than non-Americans, does it even MATTER if Snowden was working for the Russians or Chinese...?

I’m not sure it does.

It’s an interesting intellectual exercise to ponder it, but...to what end, exactly..?

The principle of it...?

Let’s say you were a loyal trooper and over the course of a full career you aided in dismantling EVERY aspect of America that made her exceptional and a good, free place to live:

Would your loyalty have proven to be a good thing?


2 posted on 05/10/2014 8:30:13 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: No One Special

“I will take credit for being one of the first to point out the fact that Snowden’s whistleblower narrative was a total crock because after the initial flurry his leaks had little to do with NSA surveillance of individuals, but instead revealed information that was highly damaging to US national security and foreign policy. “

I call BS on this. Even if it were true, the author is just making this up...


3 posted on 05/10/2014 8:34:40 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: gaijin

A good point when you consider how the leftists have given so much technology over to the reds in Russia and China and the Islamic terrorist movements in the middle east. I believe that Snowden is much less dangerous than all the democrats and rinos in DC who have destroyed America.


4 posted on 05/10/2014 8:36:44 PM PDT by kindred (They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. Salvation by Lord Jesus only!)
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To: babygene

[I call BS on this. Even if it were true, the author is just making this up...]

I suspect this also, even the fact that he refers to himself or herself as professor raises suspision as all self respecting conservative knows how that the left love titles and lying.


5 posted on 05/10/2014 8:40:17 PM PDT by kindred (They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy. Salvation by Lord Jesus only!)
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To: No One Special

Let’s discuss Snowden instead of the turn key police state being built by our politicians. Remember Binney and his warnings a decade ago. Was he a turncoat too? Perhaps he was a Martian or simply a bad man.... Snowden proved him correct in the end, which is why we must attack Snowden to ignore the federal behemoth nobody has the balls to take down.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 8:48:26 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: No One Special

Perhaps something went on between Russia and China regarding Snowden that involves stuff Golitsyn wrote about.


7 posted on 05/10/2014 9:15:38 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: No One Special

If Snowden had done his thing when Bush was in the White House, are there any conservatives who would not have (accurately) marked him out as a traitor? Obama Derangement Syndrome has caused a lot of conservatives to make common cause with America’s enemies.


8 posted on 05/10/2014 9:19:45 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: No One Special

Obama Administration agent


9 posted on 05/10/2014 9:26:10 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Zhang Fei
If Snowden had done his thing when Bush was in the White House, are there any conservatives who would not have (accurately) marked him out as a traitor?

Just about every nation on the planet was appalled by what Snowden showed the world that the US government was doing. Just about every nation. He was a traitor to a corrupt government and a hero to the world. And it would not matter at this point if Santa Claus was the President.

10 posted on 05/10/2014 9:53:45 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Just about every nation on the planet was appalled by what Snowden showed the world that the US government was doing. Just about every nation.

Right. They all adhere to the principle that "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail". And there is a Santa Claus. Their crocodile tears are amusing to behold, but I'll believe them when they dismantle their intelligence agencies.

11 posted on 05/10/2014 9:56:49 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Obama Derangement Syndrome has caused a lot of conservatives to make common cause with America’s enemies.

Neocon Derangement Syndrome has caused a lot of "conservatives" to think America has "ENEMIES".

Bill Kristol (among others)is the traitor. Snowden is a great American hero.

12 posted on 05/10/2014 10:04:08 PM PDT by Forgotten Amendments (Peace On Earth! Purity of Essence! McCain 2016)
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To: No One Special

> . The only question in my mind was when he was when he became a Russian asset.<

What?


13 posted on 05/10/2014 10:47:31 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: justa-hairyape

Stand back for a minute and look over the ‘vast’ level of maturity in Snowden. He never finishes high school...GED guy. He goes off to the Army, but is let go at some point because of physical issues, so we are told. He retreats to his hometown area around Fort Meade, where he becomes a security guard...mostly because he has a security clearance left over from the Army episode he never finished.

Snowden signs up for some computer classes locally, and eventually is picked up (no degree, just a couple of classes) as a IT-expert for a company doing gov’t work. Then, the CIA steps in and hires him to do an assignment in Switzerland. No one ever explained this giant step....a high school drop-out with a GED certificate...no real demonstrated history....hired by the CIA.

So he goes off and discovers the whole job is about getting into the banking structure of the Swiss banks. Manipulation, breaking into personal email accounts, blackmail, etc. Based on comments....Edward was severely disenchanted with this mission, and felt morally corrupted by it. Everything would point to Snowden likely corrupted at this point as being anti-US gov’t.

My personal guess is that Ed is a gamer, and some Russian KGB happened upon this whole circumstance in Switzerland and wandered just how far they could drag Ed along and get him into the right positions. So a gaming ‘friend’ was established, and kept working on Ed to follow a certain trail.

Ed comes back to the US....gets himself into positions with access, and the rest is history.

On the maturity scale....Ed is thirteen years old. I don’t see any woman desiring a relationship with the guy. From a hiring prospect....why would you ever hire the guy? He’d come in on day one to get the right passwords and get deep into your company’s secrets. He is mostly standing there to be adored by the Germans, and one day wake up to realize that he’s led mostly a loser life.


14 posted on 05/10/2014 11:55:56 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: No One Special

None of the Above???

IMO, he is an “Anonymous” admirer, who saw himself as the good-guy in some Hollywood movie, like “Enemy of the State”, or something.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 12:00:35 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Zhang Fei

Our country has held ourselves up to be better than the rest of the world. We’ve suffered a major loss of face.

If the CIA and FBI spent more time on our enemies and the real threats, they wouldn’t bother spying on us.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 12:26:28 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: pepsionice
Re: “On the maturity scale....Ed is thirteen years old. I don’t see any woman desiring a relationship with the guy.”

Actually, he had a girlfriend in Hawaii who is really cute in some of her pictures, but not so cute in others.

According to her friends, she fell really hard for Snowden and was devastated when he bolted to Hong Kong and then Russia.

Photos:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341691/Edward-Snowdens-girlfriend-Lindsay-Mills-feels-betrayed-world-caved-in.html

17 posted on 05/11/2014 12:29:17 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: pepsionice

” the CIA steps in and hires him to do an assignment in Switzerland. No one ever explained this giant step....a high school drop-out with a GED certificate...no real demonstrated history....hired by the CIA.”

Maybe they hired him because he looked unobtrusive and would blend in well with the rest of the people he would be working around. He’s certainly a drifter through life, I’ll say that.

The alienated type who apparently are ripe for manipulation.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 12:29:53 AM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: zeestephen

Looks like government apologists and prevaricators are all over this thread.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 12:31:53 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: CorporateStepsister

>> If the CIA and FBI spent more time on our enemies and the real threats, they wouldn’t bother spying on us.

What makes you believe the agencies are not focusing their time and resources in a way that best serves the Country’s security and liberties?

FWIW, I haven’t lost faith in the NSA nor the CIA despite the data gathering concerns — not something I’m dismissing as irrelevant. And I don’t consider either tools of the current regime.


20 posted on 05/11/2014 12:34:18 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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