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Pope Francis: 'Tea Party Catholic'?
Breitbart's Big Peace ^ | May 10, 2014 | Robert Wilde

Posted on 05/10/2014 8:46:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On Breitbart News Saturday, Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon and Editor in Chief Alex Marlow discussed Pope Francis's remarks to the United Nations where he called for "legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State," using government and the private sector. Bannon asked guest Austin Ruse, former head of the Catholic Family and Human Rights Institute and a Breitbart contributor, “Is Pope Francis a Commie?"

"I know he is a Jesuit," Bannon said, explaining that Jesuits sit at the vanguard of the Communist revolution in Latin America there, before asking if "Pope Francis been taken over by liberation theology?” Bannon, who also hosts Breitbart News Sunday, noted that the pontiff had tweeted from his official account a couple of weeks ago that “inequality is the root of social evil.”

Ruse answered by saying that, “I don’t think he is a Communist. I think that he is largely misunderstood.”(continued)

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1 posted on 05/10/2014 8:46:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ruse didn't refute Bannon’s point but claimed instead that Pope Francis is not looking to end capitalism, but rather send a message to the world that everyone can do more for his neighbor.

Continuous improvement.

2 posted on 05/10/2014 8:52:34 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Salvation

Ping — more on the Jesuits.


3 posted on 05/10/2014 8:52:36 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

These people (and the Pope is no exception) do not think these things through to a logical conclusion. Seizing the labor of productive people and giving the proceeds to unmotivated people simply worsens the problem. The practice is known by several names, one of which comes to mind - Communism.


4 posted on 05/10/2014 8:55:30 PM PDT by davisfh
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To: aposiopetic
Pope Francis is not looking to end capitalism, but rather send a message to the world that everyone can do more for his neighbor.

I believe in leadership by example. When the church empties its expansive treasuries, THEN they'll have the moral authority to speak on this topic.

Until then, nothing but hollow words.

5 posted on 05/10/2014 8:57:01 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

As the writer said, everyone can do more for his neighbor.


6 posted on 05/10/2014 9:02:08 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Right, and the pope should lead by example. Empty the treasuries, sell off the vast collections of artwork, unneeded buildings and all the luxuries around the vatican first.


7 posted on 05/10/2014 9:04:34 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: aposiopetic
It's OK to feed, clothe, and gospellize the unwillingly destitute, but we must be careful not to become codependents with prodigal rakehells in their squandering of hard-earned resources, eh?

Remember the prodigal son, who reformed only when his support was cut off.

And who is going to be the judge of one's real need? The federal governments?

Francis?

8 posted on 05/10/2014 9:11:50 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: usconservative

You’re entitled to your opinion. The pope is living in austere quarters, as you may have heard. Whether otherwise he will live up to the standard you are setting, you can decide.


9 posted on 05/10/2014 9:12:43 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: imardmd1
And who is going to be the judge of one's real need?

I am guessing you have an accurate answer to that question.

10 posted on 05/10/2014 9:14:16 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

And what the Pope was endorsing is employing the force of the State to do it involuntarily. There is a vast chasm between voluntary and involuntary “giving”. To conflate the two is perverse.


11 posted on 05/10/2014 9:18:13 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We already have some redistribution in the USA....


12 posted on 05/10/2014 9:22:30 PM PDT by Homer1
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To: aposiopetic

The individual is to be the judge of his own need and then responsible to minister to those needs through hard work and dedication to cause. The small minority of people truly unable to do so are tended to by private, voluntary giving in a free society. Otherwise the society is not free and you will have more of the slothful and deceitful, as we do today.


13 posted on 05/10/2014 9:23:23 PM PDT by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

Every State taxes. The question is what they do with the proceeds. Here in the US, we are a year’s worth of GDP in the hole, and are enriching whom?


14 posted on 05/10/2014 9:24:30 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: ExpatGator
Otherwise the society is not free and you will have more of the slothful and deceitful, as we do today.

No disagreement here.

15 posted on 05/10/2014 9:25:53 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic
The pope is living in austere quarters, as you may have heard.

I know "austere", I haven't heard that the Catholic Pope was living in austere quarters, I haven't seen the pictures of them, but I would guess they are extremely nice and his service extraordinary.

16 posted on 05/10/2014 9:31:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

“”Francis lives in a small, modest ‘hotel like’ section of the Vatican.””

Probably living that most of us will never experience.


17 posted on 05/10/2014 9:34:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12

I’ve lost hope,
In the Pope,
Cause he’s a dope.


18 posted on 05/10/2014 9:36:05 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: aposiopetic
imardmd1: And who is going to be the judge of one's real need?

aposiopetic: I am guessing you have an accurate answer to that question.

Only God, Himself. He sent Jesus. Isn't it He Who Francis should be marketing? Hm?

19 posted on 05/10/2014 9:43:02 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: usconservative

It was a sad turn to see this Pope speak to governments, that in most cases rule their societies, and encourage their theft and give it rationalizing justification.


20 posted on 05/10/2014 9:43:18 PM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: imardmd1

“legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State,” said Pope Francis.

I am reminded of the account of the prodigal son. He did come to his senses and when he returned his father accepted him. This progressive redistributionist theory would imply as the son left the father should have his wealth taken by an authority and given to his son. Son, in turn would have not learned anything except that what someone else has is his. His continued squandering of resources of his father’s would have left both of them destitute. One reason is because the son would have kept demanding more. Sound familiar???? The Pope, in my opinion, should be teaching Christ’s followers to follow God’s lead in giving and helping others including those who do not follow Christ. This teaches Christ’s followers to listen to God and look around for those less fortunate. All of this is designed to show others God who do not know Him. It teaches us to follow God with ALL of our heart. We only become more resentful as it is taken from us in the name of good, not God. It only encourages more demands once it starts. No wonder South America has had so many troubles.


21 posted on 05/10/2014 9:44:17 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: usconservative

“Expansive treasures”? You mean like selling the Vatican library? auctioning the Pieta,” renting the Sistine Chapel?


22 posted on 05/10/2014 9:47:19 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama is fundamentally transforming America, and this Jesuit is fundamentally transforming the Catholic church.


23 posted on 05/10/2014 9:56:00 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: taterjay

The parable of the talents glorifies the industrious and rebukes the indolent. Specifically, the distribution of the talents is pointedly unequal.


24 posted on 05/10/2014 10:17:52 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pope Francis’ remarks are being blown out of context here at FR and in the media. Governments do dominate the economic rent of economies, and it is indeed their obligation to grant some of that economic rent to the poorest of the poor. The UN is hardly known for its charity, in fact, it is known for its corruption.

Pope Francesco is humble and open. I saw him and heard his homily and a speech, during a pilgrimage to Rome with a group from my church in February: he asked our group to pray for him. He is genuine in his concern for the dignity of the individual and the preservation of life and care for the unborn. There were two babies in our pilgrimage group, and those were the ones he touched and greeted, among all of us there.

It is good that the Pope puts the question of wealth in context of charitable need, rather than the incompetent UN approach, and crooked US political twisted approach, with which entitlement programs are doled out here in in the US - like Obama phones. Obamabucks for Obama votes, no mystery there, and development of an entitlement class trapped in political slavery for the dole.

Believe it or not there are actual people seriously in need in this country, and there is massive underemployment and unemployment (myself recently among the statistics). The Kenyan has had the printing presses filling the pockets of the nationalist socialist communist elites in this country and around the world, at the cost of an unhealthy economy, and ineffective programs for the truly needy and real economic and social problems endemic in our system. It will be a miracle to survive his administration without massive national economic collapse.

Obamacare is the latest lie, which will further crush the free economy and people in this country. We are not witnessing wealth redistribution in the USA. It is purely theft by government and payment of political patrimony. The truly poor and needy are still suffering deeply, and it is partly the government’s job to do something about that. Individuals, and institutions, including the Catholic Church, have important roles to play in filling such needs.

“You always have the poor with you, but you do not always have me.” John 12:8


25 posted on 05/10/2014 10:31:19 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: aposiopetic
"As the writer said, everyone can do more for his neighbor."

As the wise sage noted, "You can't help someone by doing for them what they should be doing for themselves."

26 posted on 05/10/2014 10:32:14 PM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Steelfish
“Expansive treasures”? You mean like selling the Vatican library? auctioning the Pieta,” renting the Sistine Chapel?

No need to touch the art. Global real estate, stocks, bonds, cash and precious metals would certainly generate tens of billions of dollars without making much of a dent in the entire portfolio.

The Vatican Billions

27 posted on 05/10/2014 10:33:05 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: taterjay
He did come to his senses and when he returned his father accepted him.

Well, his father gave him a party for coming home, but didn't give him any more unearned money. Neither did his brother. The prodigal came home to earn his bread the hard, but approved way the God explained to Adam.

There goes your argument.

Of the fellow who wanted to excuse himself, Jesus told his disciples, "Let the dead bury their dead. You guys, you follow me. And bring your own food." No promise for misplaced compassion.

To the crowds he fed once not because they were poor, but because they were too lazy to provide for themselves. But the second--and last--time, he told them they were just following him to get more free meals, not to seek the incorruptible Bread, the Word of God, that would have given them Eternal Life.

Advancing the Kingdom of God by carnal means does not seem to be in God's plan to get humans saved, as your argument, which is the worthless "social gospel," seems to propose.

Nope, I don't have the same opinion as to how resources are to be allocated, for the purposes of evangelization.

28 posted on 05/10/2014 10:35:01 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

**Ruse added that “Francis is a Tea Party Catholic. He’s a populist.” According to Ruse, the Pope and the Tea Party have a common denominator insofar as they are both opposed to the establishment and to corporatism.**

Interesting comment. And I have said this before, Jesuits just seem to say it a little differently.


29 posted on 05/10/2014 10:42:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: usconservative

The Catholic Church does more to feed, clothe, etc. the people of the world than any other church. Sheer numbers. So what is your point?

BTW, the Vatican is not rich; do some digging and find out about the flow of money. They run a tight ship.


30 posted on 05/10/2014 10:44:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Rather than focus on the have-nots and social justice, Pope Francis should focus on the murder rates around the world:


31 posted on 05/10/2014 11:00:10 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: ExpatGator
And what the Pope was endorsing is employing the force of the State to do it involuntarily. There is a vast chasm between voluntary and involuntary “giving”. To conflate the two is perverse.

If you bother to read his actual speech (not the AP take on it) you will find that he said "to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands." And when describing the tax collector Zacchaeus he says, "he simply inspires him to put everything, FREELY yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others.

32 posted on 05/10/2014 11:13:12 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: usconservative

Maybe sell St.Peter’s Basilica to the Saudis so they can make it a mosque?


33 posted on 05/10/2014 11:16:21 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: usconservative

Maybe sell St.Peter’s Basilica to the Saudis so they can make it a mosque?


34 posted on 05/10/2014 11:17:02 PM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: aposiopetic
There’s that. And then there’s this: Here in the States, “legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State” could include our governments, for example, selling off land excess to what they really need. And not to put too fine a point of it, there’s a lot of land they really don’t need to own.
35 posted on 05/10/2014 11:36:05 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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there’s a lot of land they really don’t need to own

You're right.

36 posted on 05/10/2014 11:38:15 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Jesuits are soldiers of Christ. I do think they tend to be radical socialists if it suits their purposes in their war on evil. They will take up any political point of view in their battle against evil, if it works.

Looking at the Jesuit attempt to conquer Japan in the 18th and 19th centuries, one can see their shortcomings in political flexibility/ expediency very clearly.

Simply put, the Jesuits should not be trusted with politics.I do not trust Pope Francis with my politics, his expertise is the war on Satan and evil. I wish him good fortune in that fight, but he should refrain from publicly entering the realms of political power as much as possible.


37 posted on 05/10/2014 11:51:59 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: jonrick46

Your table would seem to indicate that there are no murders in Pakistan.


38 posted on 05/10/2014 11:54:49 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: aposiopetic

And that’s just one thought. “Legitimate redistribution of economic goods by the State” doesn’t need to be limited to the State taking from the rich and giving to the poor, although that’s where the current administration would go first. It could mean the State redistributing its goods to the public.

Nah, that’s just crazy talk.


39 posted on 05/11/2014 12:08:04 AM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: dsc

Here is a more thorough chart:

http://chartsbin.com/view/1454

Click on the column heading, “Rate (rate per 100,000 population)” to show the list from worse to least rates. These rates are from 2006 and show Pakistan with 6.81/100,000 murders. The United States has 5.22/100,000 murders, by the way.

I think the graph I initially gave showed the murder rates of the larger countries and skipped some of the lesser countries. These murder rates reveal an underlying problem that will not be fixed by wealth redistribution. In fact the murders reflect a lawlessness that impacts the wealth of those nations and the ability of their citizens to achieve financial security. The ability of Capitalism to flourish in a nation depends on a stable society grounded in a system of morality. Murder rates reflect the health of a nation’s moral system. That is why a nation that turns to God is a nation that is blessed financially. This is a message that der Pope should be saying loud and clear. Instead, he is preaching the gospel of a godless system, Marxism.


40 posted on 05/11/2014 12:35:42 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Salvation

That is why the Catholic nation of Mexico is so nice.


41 posted on 05/11/2014 12:42:01 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Salvation

What do you think the Pope is saying that makes him a tea party type?

You think he supports 1780 American types and opposes them being overthrown, and replaced with something more European like?


42 posted on 05/11/2014 12:46:05 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: usconservative

>> THEN they’ll have the moral authority to speak on this topic

Exactly what a Liberal would say.

And the Church does have the moral authority regardless of your contempt.


43 posted on 05/11/2014 12:51:58 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: FlyingEagle

The Catholics are wrong, we can’t make a sudden switch back to the way we used to live, but we need to start disassembling this mess that the left has created, continuing to add to a direction that is wrong and hurting us in social areas and poverty, will only continue to make things worse.

Not in a sudden way that hurts you or anyone, but we need to start the slow process to return to the correctness that America proved.

He keeps wanting to add on to the destruction and wrong path, rather than to look at what worked in the United States for so long, and then start moving back in that direction.

He isn’t looking for the answer, he is restating his centuries old war against the American breakthrough, and breakout.


44 posted on 05/11/2014 12:56:36 AM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: jonrick46

The pope may be many things, but he is neither German nor a Nazi.


45 posted on 05/11/2014 1:24:25 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I didn't bother to read the article, because the term "wealth redistribution" pretty much doesn't need interpretation.

Blatant hypocrisy considering just the Vatican alone is supposedly worth $10-$15B

46 posted on 05/11/2014 1:30:19 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: Salvation

What happened with the resignation of Pope Benedict? Now we have a socialist/communist pope? What is going on here? I am a Catholic since birth and yes I do wonder what is up with this Pope. Sorry, but I do not accept him as authority over Christ’s Church. There is a definite change in direction for the Church and it is toward socialism/ communism. Not going there sorry... John Paul II .... I still and always love you. You fought this ideology.


47 posted on 05/11/2014 1:34:47 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: Salvation

What happened with the resignation of Pope Benedict? Now we have a socialist/communist pope? What is going on here? I am a Catholic since birth and yes I do wonder what is up with this Pope. Sorry, but I do not accept him as authority over Christ’s Church. There is a definite change in direction for the Church and it is toward socialism/ communism. Not going there sorry... John Paul II .... I still and always love you. You fought this ideology.


48 posted on 05/11/2014 1:34:47 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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To: RichInOC
Here in the States, “legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State” could include our governments, for example, selling off land excess to what they really need. And not to put too fine a point of it, there’s a lot of land they really don’t need to own.

And by the way, the same government that is $17T in debt. If there ever was national land sales, that would need to be the intent of the expenditure. Not wealth distribution.

49 posted on 05/11/2014 1:36:24 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: ansel12

Is Jesus your God or is it America?


50 posted on 05/11/2014 1:36:37 AM PDT by JPX2011
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