Skip to comments.On Paper: We choose not between Marx and Adam Smith but between the DMV and the Apple store.
Posted on 05/11/2014 3:55:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I am preparing to renew my drivers license, a process requiring some considerable preparation. My last trip to a drivers-license bureau, in Norwalk, Conn., ended with my giving very serious thought to returning later in the evening and burning the place down, the process having been so backward and the people so hateful. I have in my life had a number of unpleasant encounters with government agencies handcuffed in Texas, terrorized by Mexican federales, assets seized by the IRS, chased about by Indias immigration authorities, etc. Frankly, Id rather be pepper-sprayed than pay another visit to the Norwalk DMV.
I do not expect the New York City version to be much better, but Ill withhold judgment until the facts are in. But before I could even do that, there were other preparations to be made. For example, my passport, issued by the U.S. State Department, is perfectly adequate to get me through customs and immigration at any airport in U.S. territory, and is a fully functional form of identification anywhere in the country, and most of the world, except for a New York DMV office. For that, you need a couple of forms of identification, one of which must be a Social Security card. The mutation of the Social Security card from proof of enrollment in Social Security into a federal quasi-ID is itself a long and stupid story, and, if you happen to have lost yours in the course of having had a dozen home addresses in the past 20 years, rest assured that youll need more than a passport to get one. For that, youll need an original birth certificate...
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You can order a Texas birth certificate by mail from the State Vital Records office, Kevin. It’s not as dramatic as “having” to fly to Texas, though.
Getting blood work or a physical done under a federal bureaucracy will make waiting in line at the DMV seem like a vacation. Think Wal-Mart shoppers in rows of metal folding chairs with their EBT cards and their hollering welfare babies who are queued up ahead of you. They don't have to pay...but you will. But first, you need to take a number and get to the back of the line.
How about telling them you want to vote
Democrat in all upcoming elections? Perhaps
that would “move things along” a bit faster.
I’m not sure what current SS cards look like, but mine says “not to be used for identification.”
LOL! Good one.
Gotta’ be honest, I’ve been breezing thru the DMV’s here in NY for 20 years now. Go to info and get the paperwork squared away then take a number and wait for 10 or 15 min and out.
and I recently renewed my Texas driver's license online. It was quick and easy with no lines or hassle.
That would be nice. You can’t do that in NC, but if you pick the right DMV office and the right time, it’s not bad - and the only document you need is your previous license.
I’m on my 4th teen driver at the same location, so I know all the DMV staff personally ;-).
Alright. Let the revolution commence. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Bureaucracies are bad, but the writer makes a poor choice for complaint, when it comes to verifying legal status and ID. That’s something we need more of, not less.
Also, I’ve got driver’s licenses in both CT and NY, and the process isn’t really that onerous in either state.
The dude sounds a bit like something of a general screw-up.
Just move to New Hampshire - DMV like it oughta be.
When I was a kid the DMV in Maine was a place of horror. Long lines and very slow service. Now you take a number, sit in a comfy chair for a while (brief if you get the timing right) and then go to a window where a reasonably friendly and efficient person waits on you.
The downside is that there’s a TV screen in front of you playing videos about DUI and texting, only interrupted by some footage of LaHood babbling about something. That can be countered by bringing a book.
Did they nuke it from orbit? ;-)
In Massachusetts, the DMV operating costs are $60 million per year. It brings in $600 million in fees and fines. It's a nice little business we have here. Wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to it.
Also, Ive got drivers licenses in both CT and NY, and the process isnt really that onerous in either state.
I would be really curious to know if both your licenses have the Real ID compliant gold star in the upper right corner?
I doubt that would be the case, as having more than one license is against the Real ID Act, and more than likely against state statute preceeding the Real ID Act.
My congratulations on accomplishing what government would like to make impossible.
No, I don’t have concurrent licenses from the two states. I’m in CT now, and yes, by taking in my passport at renewal, I was able to get the star.
I believe in 1997 Congress amended the law by which states would lose funding if they didn’t verify and collect SS#s through the driver’s license process. The justification at the time was for enforcement of child support from deadbeat dads.
And how is that a secure piece of informantion? Like the author, I jumped through many of the same hoops when I moved to North Dakota. I got my certified copy of my Colorado BC by telephone from non English speaking Mexican contractor to whom I had to provide an extreme amount of personal information.
I can’t wait to rad the article when he actually goes to the DMV.
in Maryland, it took me four trips, 9 hours and 150 miles of driving to get a simples set of license plates. When I lived in Michigan, the same transaction was literally 10 minutes.
I complained so much, I finally got a call from the director of “Customer Service.” I let her have it and told her agency is broken.
One of Kevin’s best .
Thanks for the reply. I’m guessing your passport was Real ID compliant having the ICAO symbol that makes it compliant with the international data base for security, and the picture on both documents will be the high resolution variety that will allow curb side recognition of you anywhere you choose to go by anyone with the appropriate devise to decode biometric data, and they won’t have to ask to see the document as it can be decoded while you are walking down the street. That is the desired result, however many states have yet to authorize the chip in the card that makes the instant scan possible.
I was struck by your comment that we need more of this.
We’re giving millions of illegals the vote and welfare because we don’t confirm identities. At this point I’d really rather have less of that.
I well recall the 3 hour visits of old but to my ear the comedians constant DMV jokes fall flat. I guess the topic was too fun for them to let go.
When all else fails there is always an excuse for government to bend the rules, and now we have by government mandate for a voluntary program, the Real ID Act of 2005 still being implemented after delay and delay and delay.
Without the star when the compliance rule go into effect, no entry to federal facilities, and fly only after increased scrutiny. Frankly admittance to federal buildings you paid for, should be considered unconstitutional, not a security problem, and travel restrictions another story all together, but that is Real ID in a nutshell.
Long ago the Congress wanted a National ID Card and couldn’t get it passed “the people”. Gee, wonder why? So attach some dollars, get the state government to buy in, and voila’ instant National ID Card compliant with the International Standard. Real ID is not your friend, and is only the beginning.
Were giving millions of illegals the vote and welfare because we dont confirm identities. At this point Id really rather have less of that.
...because some states won’t or refuse to confirm identity. It is the states that aren’t doing their job. Not all, but enough.
No, but it is distressingly monocultural.
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I realize that ripping the DMV in the most humorous manner possible is a universally satisfying experience, but I can’t say I’ve had anything resembling the author’s alleged nightmare. I lived in NYS for almost 5 decades. They made great strides in efficiency, convenience, and friendliness. (In comedy, such jokes are “evergreen,” like rubber chickens.) We moved to MA a couple of years ago, and it was a more jarring, less personal experience going to the DMV.
It’s probably not fair to compare the two offices: Worcester County, MA has a much larger population than does Tompkins County, NY. But in both cases it seems like your attitude approaching the experience makes a great deal of difference. If you go anywhere expecting a confrontation you will likely find one. I’ve never had a problem in either place. I try to be polite and friendly, and let them know I appreciate their help and expertise in shepherding me through what can be a bewildering set of regulations. The result is that I rarely leave with a bad taste in my mouth or a joke to tell about the DMV. No doubt, some of their rules are incomprehensible, but odds are the person you deal with at the counter didn’t write the rule. You can call it naive, but I find if you treat people decently they reciprocate.
Are you saying that anyone should be allowed to enter any part of any federal building at any time?
If so, I think you’re not grounded in reality.
I don't understand the question.
It's a relevant piece of information because the author implies he had no other way to get a copy of his TEXAS birth certificate than by going in person to the county in which he was born. This is not accurate.
Oh, and there was no qualification as to only some passports being good or recent enough for the qualification. And I was having a new DL photo taken at the time.
I’m waiting for someone to make the obvious to me connection between the mess that is Veteran’s Health Care and Obama care.
Kansas/Johnson County used to be a three hour ordeal but there were complaints and last time I had to go it was in and out in 30 minutes. I don’t remember what ID was required but I think it was just two forms and a utility bill could be one of them. I think I used my old DL and my passport. My kids all have the plastic birth cert but recently found out that they can’t use that for a passport. Have to get the certified copy. I’m actually okay with that and wish that a photo ID was required everywhere for voting.
Never go on Monday morning or even worse, Tuesday after a three day weekend. Never go late in the afternoon when all the teenagers are there. Be there when they open and bring a book or kindle.
When it was time for my oldest daughter to go to Driver’s Ed, I realized I didn’t have birth certificates for the two who were born in San Antonio. It was pricy, like $32 each, to get them from Texas Vital Records, but it wasn’t difficult, didn’t take very long, and didn’t require a trip to Texas.
NC will require photo ID for voting in 2016. The poll workers mentioned it when I voted in the primary last week.
I have a COLB. I had to order one a few years ago.
I do not have a marriage certificate. Will have to get one.
The SS card is another matter. I am 60. I haven't seen it in 35 years. I do remember it said something about not to be used for ID. The pisser is I never had my name changed after I got married.
I do have documents with my SSN on it which has always been accepted as proof whenever it was needed....until now.
I guess I will need to get the ball rolling when I am 62. Maybe I can get all the paper work together to prove I am who I have said I am for the last 60 years. :(
North Carolina accepted a tax return as a substitute for the Social Security card. My SS card is no good because my mother had it laminated (even though it says not to, right on it) back when it was issued in 1976.
The birth ceertificate is a key document used in establishing identity. The way the author obtained his official copy and the way I obtained mine are not secure; that is just about anyone could obtain the copy and claim to be someone they are not. In my case, I made a phone call, gave my name and DOB and my mother’s maiden name. Gave a credit card number (my wife’s, not mine, and had official documents within a week in the mail.
I see what you mean now, and you’re right.
Yep - no picture. Of course, a birth certificate has the same "problem". Besides, we know from a "prominent politician" that all is bogus in the end.
That’s been my experience as well. Treat the counter clerk like a human being and your experience is generally pretty painless. Choosing what time you go in wisely is the other half of the equation.
Of course the Norwalk DMV is Mexican Brain Root Canal. Norwalk has devolved into a bit of a Third World Hell-Hole.
Try another office.