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UK 'journalists' epitomize snotty attitude toward U.S. gun owners
jpfo.org ^ | 5/9/2014 | David Codrea

Posted on 05/11/2014 8:08:28 AM PDT by rktman

Maybe it's a resentment that goes back to their unsuccessful attempt to disarm subjects that started a rebellion and lost them a colony, maybe it's jealousy at being denied trust afforded their American cousins, or maybe it's just being aware they are subjects of a queen. Regardless, the snotty attitude toward U.S. gun owners, famously exemplified by unwelcome import Piers Morgan, is alive and well in the British press.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrolnazis
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Maybe they need to take another look at the MAGNUM Carta. :>}
1 posted on 05/11/2014 8:08:28 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

It’s simply smug, arrogant leftists who feel very secure they can force society and government to accept their views. We have the same lot here


2 posted on 05/11/2014 8:12:22 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: rktman
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3 posted on 05/11/2014 8:20:25 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: rktman

Excellent column, thanks.


4 posted on 05/11/2014 8:22:04 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

LOL! No problem. Just wondering, did Americans who gladly gave up weapons to the Brits in WW II ever get their weapons back? Was there ever any intention of returning them to those that willingly sent them across the pond to help the Brits defend themselves?


5 posted on 05/11/2014 8:25:04 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

Muslims don’t think Americans should have guns?


6 posted on 05/11/2014 8:26:35 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rktman

Pistol Envy

How many times have we read stories of Brit families cowering in the closet while home invaders ravage their home and the police show up long after the coast is clear to make their report.

Wimps in wimpland celebrate their wimpminds.


7 posted on 05/11/2014 8:39:09 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rktman
Considering the tens of thousands of (probably unarmed) women who have been murdered in the last hundred years or so, it's odd that some people would feel threatened by the idea of women with firearms. After reading about numerous instances over the years of women being killed by ex-husbands, many times immediately after the divorce proceedings, it's obvious that many women should procure firearms to defend themselves.

My wife's ex is a violent nut, and although she grew up in England hating guns, she's glad I have one. I told her outright if he ever tries to break into our house, I'm going to shoot him dead. She just smiled.

8 posted on 05/11/2014 8:39:22 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: rktman

Since I hold liberalism to be a mental disease, I would be foolish to listen to their advice on how I should live my life.


9 posted on 05/11/2014 8:58:01 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: rktman

Piers Morgan would be a great casting choice for an arrogant Redcoat in TURN.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 9:22:24 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Boko Haram was enabled by Buku Huma)
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To: rktman

The Brits only like armed Americans when they need saving from the Germans.


11 posted on 05/11/2014 9:24:51 AM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: Spok

GOOD ONE
But on the other hand “Overpaid, oversexed and over here!”


12 posted on 05/11/2014 9:41:57 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Spok
Feb. 2014 (WXYZ) - Detroit Police say a woman shot and killed an intruder Friday afternoon at her home in the 22700 block of Grove.
Police say a man in his 20s attempted to break into her home through a rear window. When the homeowner heard the noise, she grabbed her handgun and warned the invader that she was armed.
The suspect continued to break in and the woman shot him once in the chest. We're told he fled the scene and was found down the block.

This is one reason why we are armed, so our women can protect themselves and LIVE TO CALL 911, so they can put the chalk lines around the perp, and drag the corpse to the body bag.

13 posted on 05/11/2014 9:42:08 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Exterminate the terrorist savages, everywhere.)
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To: rktman

14 posted on 05/11/2014 10:32:55 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: rktman

They sure lost their snootyness when after Dunkirk the only thing that stood between them and Nazi occupation was the English Channel.

They came begging to AMERICA’S GUN OWNERS to Send a Gun To Defend A British Home!

Americans did. After the war, a few donated rifles were put in museums, others returned to their AMERICAN OWNERS, but the rest were dumped into the ocean.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 10:34:43 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: rktman

I couldn’t care less what some foriegn sissies think about anything.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 10:37:43 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: I am Richard Brandon

They were snotty even while we were saving them.


17 posted on 05/11/2014 10:39:56 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: rktman
Arguments over violent crime rates and integrity of reporting techniques notwithstanding, let's examine if that disparity is truly due to guns. We can do that intuitively by looking at the membership of the NRA, arguably the most heavily-armed civilian population on the planet, and comparing their annual total and rate of "gun homicides" with those of the "gun free" UK.

How do our five million compare to their 63 million? How close to "0" are NRA members' tallies, anyway? And how close to "0" are other national gun rights advocacy groups, like JPFO? Is there any doubt that if there were numbers that could be exploited, the media and the anti-gunners would be all over them? And what if it turns out the UK has a rate more than 40 times higher (or more) than peaceable members of U.S. gun groups?

The UK gun related homicide rate is 40 times that of the NRA.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 10:44:50 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: rktman

Lazy journalism from Stateside, rather ironically.

The British are not subjects and have not been since the Nationality Act of 1948.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 10:46:53 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: samtheman

British freepers like myself (the actual victim of attempted violent crime in the UK, in 2008) have discussed this issue and the US myths many times here.

That the Brits don’t fight back and don’t have the right to fight back is a complete myth built up over the last 10 years, one we Brit freepers keep shooting down and which sadly keeps coming back.

As I said, I know from personal experience it isn’t true. My violent self-defence got me nothing but a pat on the back from the police and courts.


20 posted on 05/11/2014 10:54:22 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: Spok

Yawn.


21 posted on 05/11/2014 10:55:04 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

The story I referenced did happen, and I read about it in the Telegraph. As to whether or not it’s the norm, I’m willing to take your word for it that it’s not. However, I have read other stories along those lines, and always in the British press/website. So it does happen, or has happened, at least enough for Brits themselves to write about.


22 posted on 05/11/2014 10:58:10 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; rktman

Myth.

Most of the weapons were simply melted down as they were needed for UK war production. After it was clear the Germans wouldn’t landing at Dover.

This ocean myth is just that. I’d like to meet the idiot who started it.


23 posted on 05/11/2014 10:58:29 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: ozzymandus

And I doubt what Americans think really bothers the British.

You seem quite happy to have the sissies of the British armed forces at your side. I wonder why we bother if that’s the American attitude.

BTW, America aint what it used to be either. American men neither. Frankly, you are as wimpy as we are, if we are supposedly a nation of wimps.


24 posted on 05/11/2014 11:01:41 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: ozzymandus

And you lot were boring everyone else even then with your boasting about winning the war singlehanded.


25 posted on 05/11/2014 11:02:37 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: PJ-Comix

He’d be a better choice for the drooling zombie in the corner in the remake of “Cuckoo’s Nest.”


26 posted on 05/11/2014 11:08:08 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: samtheman

I wont deny that there have been some cases where common sense in the UK has been missing. But the tiny amount of tabloid cases are just that. Tiny.

But its always been legal to defend a British home and family, and in fact the last two govts have in fact STRENGTHENED THE LAW in FAVOUR of the HOMEOWNER.

A problem with Americans resides in the process the UK police undertake when investigating an incident, where essentially everyone involved gets temporarily arrested, hence the US belief that the Brits get arrested for defending their home, family or self.

I agree it looks odd even backward, but it isn’t, lol.

In fact the last case to make the news headlines (last year in Manchester) had a homeowner kill a burglar with a knife. That homeowner got nothing but commendation from the police for their actions and there was never any notion of charges.

In fact the burglars father publicly supported the man who killed his son (apparently a decent lad from a good family turned drug addict/junkie burglar, rather sad.)


27 posted on 05/11/2014 11:10:14 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: ozzymandus

Same here. Screw ‘em.


28 posted on 05/11/2014 11:13:23 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: gitmo

False argument, and I say that as a pro-gun, gun owning Brit.

There are still (contrary to US myth) 2.3m legal weapons in the UK, and there are still hundreds of gun clubs and gun ranges. There are also many UK pro-gun/shooting groups.

Their gun crime/gun murder rate is equal to the NRA’s, if not even less. IE very low, almost nothing.


29 posted on 05/11/2014 11:24:50 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: rktman

I notice the article dosent allow a response.


30 posted on 05/11/2014 11:25:21 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: WKUHilltopper

And if I said the same, I would be an anti-American.

If you hate the British that much, we wont fight at your side anymore, wont work hand in hand with the CIA/NSA, and if you suffer another 9-11, then we will just shrug our Limey shoulders and you can go whistle for any basic human sympathy.

If being the first to support the US after 9-11 and the first to fight at your side( as we have done since 1917) at the loss and maiming of thousands of British lives in Iraq AND Afghanistan gets us this attitude to Britain from the US, then I wonder why we bother. I find the level of Brit-hatred on this (conservative, pro western, pro-anglosphere) site both shocking and surprising. Some of it disgusting and offensive.


31 posted on 05/11/2014 11:32:44 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: the scotsman

Ok. I’m willing to stand corrected. Thanks for your detailed response. I’m glad to hear that you say self-defense is a respected right in Great Britain.

As for “cases where common sense” is missing... we have plenty of those in the US, too.


32 posted on 05/11/2014 11:37:59 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: rktman

Soon the UK will wake every day to the beuatiful muslim call to prayer from the local imam married to an eight year old Brit.


33 posted on 05/11/2014 11:38:37 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: the scotsman

Do you get limited on the number of shootin irons you can have? Do you have to jump through a lot of hoops to acquire one? Or ammunition?


34 posted on 05/11/2014 7:25:08 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: the scotsman

Don’t hate the Brits, it was in response to UK journalists.


35 posted on 05/11/2014 7:28:19 PM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: the scotsman

Two wars. And we beat your asses in two others. True, America hasn’t tried to actually win a war since 1945, but you can thank the US left for that.


36 posted on 05/12/2014 11:30:46 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

If you actually think the US saved Britain in two world wars, or won those wars for everyone else, you really need to learn your history.

You helped Britain, and for that we in the UK are truly grateful. We are, we will never forget the sacrifice of the millions of young American men and women who fought at our shoulders from 1917 to 1918 and 1941-45, even those who served in 1940 as part of our own armed forces. I have long argued that there should be a statue to the 1940 volunteers in London.

But this myth that America saved us and the world is not only bad history, it insults the people of Britain, and even more so it insults the millions of British men and women who fought and died or were injured in 1914-18 and 1939-45, the latter a war where we British stood alone against the evil of Nazism and Fascism.

It is only those who never served in those wars who shout from America about saving/not speakin’ German. Those young Americans who DID know exactly what the British people suffered, as they were actually there.


37 posted on 05/13/2014 11:37:42 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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38 posted on 05/13/2014 11:38:17 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: the scotsman

Britain saved itself during the Battle of Britain. But it took the US to defeat Nazi Germany.

Hitler was ok with Britain being neutralized, while he turned his attention East.


39 posted on 05/13/2014 11:40:11 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ozzymandus

As well as insults the millions of Canadians (who fought with us from 1914 and 1939), Australians, New Zealanders, Indians, S Africans, and the millions of Commonwealth and Empire troops who fought and died in those wars, from France and Belgium to Burma and Hong Kong. Norway to East Africa, the Atlantic to the Pacific.


40 posted on 05/13/2014 11:40:32 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: the scotsman

Not to mention the Poles of the 303rd RAF Squadron who saved their bacon during the Battle of Britain.


41 posted on 05/13/2014 11:41:22 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ozzymandus

Actually nobody won the war of 1812, the idea that the US victory at New Orleans equals victory is a myth. The two nations inflicted heavy defeats in that war on land and sea, and the American invasion and attempted annexation/conquest of Canada in 1813 was an utter disaster.

And BTW, I am a descendant of Alexander Hamilton. And very, very proudly so. I would have been a ‘rebel’ in 1775-6.

America in 1776 was right to fight and was provoked into a war it never wanted by the stupidity and arrogance of the British. A war, btw, which was actually deeply unpopular at home, where many from public to politicians and press actually had great sympathy for the Americans.


42 posted on 05/13/2014 11:46:49 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: dfwgator

It took the COMBINED efforts of the three great allied powers to defeat the Nazis. NONE of the three could have or did do it alone.

The British needed Canadian and American, as well as Empire, help and resources.

America, in NW Europe, Italy/Sicily and N Africa, in fact relied greatly on British manpower and resources, much more than people either side of the ‘big pond’ realise. Even despite your truly massive ability to create and move men and material.

And the Soviets wouldn’t have defeated the Nazis in the East without the utterly crucial Lend Leases of America and Britain. And we Limeys and Yanks and Canucks had the help of the Soviets taking on the vast majority of the German army eastward.


43 posted on 05/13/2014 11:53:00 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: dfwgator

Agreed.

And my omission is even more shameful when you realise that my maternal aunt’s father in law is a Pole, who fought the Nazis and settled here in bonnie Scotland in 1946.


44 posted on 05/13/2014 11:54:43 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: the scotsman

I just wonder how many Soviet deaths were attributable to Hitler and how many were to Stalin.....Stalin killed many Soviet troops as well.....and it didn’t stop until well after the war, see “Operation Keelhaul”. Soviets defeated Germany, in spite of Stalin.


45 posted on 05/13/2014 11:54:59 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Rockpile

No.

A bit. More the usual endless red tape.

Unless you have a bunker of the stuff, lol, not in my experience. Any problems would be owning what is deemed to be illegal or dangerous ammo.

Most of the 2.3m weapons are rifles and shotguns, so the ammo is pretty standard.


46 posted on 05/13/2014 11:56:52 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: ozzymandus

I am saddened and don’t know why you have an ire against the British.

Most British people like America and Americans, and I am one. I have visited your country, even briefly worked there, and loved it. Americans are kind and generous people, embarrassingly so. And many parts of the US are stunningly beautiful.

I hope you visit the UK some time and would welcome you here and would be happy to give advice on any visit.


47 posted on 05/13/2014 11:59:32 AM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: dfwgator

Very true.


48 posted on 05/13/2014 12:00:14 PM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: dfwgator

Saved is a bit OTT, but I fully get your point.

More recent UK documentaries and books on the BoB rightly focus on the fact that many RAF pilots in the battle came from Norway and France to S Africa and Rhodesia, Poland and Czechslovakia to America and Canada.


49 posted on 05/13/2014 12:04:30 PM PDT by the scotsman (m)
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To: the scotsman

Thanks.

I love looking at the fine double rifles. Alas, my pockets aren’t quite deep enough :(


50 posted on 05/13/2014 6:33:31 PM PDT by Rockpile
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