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Weapons and Freedom
theledger.com ^ | 5/10/2014 | BRUCE KISTLER

Posted on 05/11/2014 8:18:52 AM PDT by rktman

Thanks to the National Rifle Association and its lapdogs in Congress, Americans may possess semiautomatic rifles and other firearms designed to kill humans in offensive mode; that is, they are not just for self-defense.

(Excerpt) Read more at theledger.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrolnazis
Hmmmmm. I wonder if the writer really considered the words towards his closing paragraph: "Those who would take up arms to force their will on others are threatening our freedom, not defending it." Once a dolt, always a dolt. Some of the responses are uh, shall we say, interesting.
1 posted on 05/11/2014 8:18:52 AM PDT by rktman
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To: rktman

Only the King’s men should have semi-automatic & automatic weapons, for dealing with peasants who get out of line, like Cliven Bundy.


2 posted on 05/11/2014 8:22:58 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: rktman

If it’s true that “assault weapons” are “weapons of war” and don’t belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?


3 posted on 05/11/2014 8:25:24 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Cliven is old news now. The domestic terry wrists have moved on to Utah now. Besides, what difference does it make at this point anyway? :>}


4 posted on 05/11/2014 8:26:34 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: rktman

BARF ALERT


5 posted on 05/11/2014 8:26:36 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: rktman
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6 posted on 05/11/2014 8:28:39 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: rktman
Besides, what difference does it make at this point anyway? :>}

LOL! :)

7 posted on 05/11/2014 8:29:27 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: rktman
It seems that Holder's plan to brainwash people against guns is working in some circles.

Here is another sentence but writer mush not have understood. "In a civil society, policies are established by the legislature and disputes are settled by the courts.

Society has long ago ceased to be civil in some areas. People that live in the uncivil areas arm themselves for safety against the uncivil. Those in safe areas arm to stay safe. Legislative policies are not designed to resolve disputes, they are designed to give certain people more power over others. Most legislation removes freedom rather than secure it. People arm themselves to protect there families, towns, counties etc. against the ever oppressive government. The latter is exactly what our forefathers were concerned with.

8 posted on 05/11/2014 8:35:30 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: kiryandil

Lever action and pump action have been around a while.
Semi autos are not that much faster.


9 posted on 05/11/2014 8:36:37 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: rktman


10 posted on 05/11/2014 8:41:54 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Malaysia Flight MH370 Black Box signals reported in Bermuda Triangle)
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By the time the militia reached Pittsburgh, the rebels had dispersed and could not be found. The militia apprehended approximately 150 men and tried them for treason. A paucity of evidence and the inability to obtain witnesses hampered the trials. Two men, John Mitchell and Philip Weigel, were found guilty of treason, though both were pardoned by President Washington. By 1802, then President Thomas Jefferson repealed the excise tax on whiskey.


11 posted on 05/11/2014 8:44:04 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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12 posted on 05/11/2014 8:46:15 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Dutch Boy

.......yes, this writer can have my guns when he manages to rid this country of it’s worst people, a lot of whom end up in legislatures around the country.

This is to say nothing of appointed (unelected) people like Holder who clearly should be in jail along with fellow enablers and ass covering buddies like Obama and Reid.....

No, what the writer speaks of is a long ago fantasy.


13 posted on 05/11/2014 8:46:23 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: Iron Munro

Lol.....GOOD ONE!!!!


14 posted on 05/11/2014 8:47:23 AM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: rktman

ANY firearm can be used in an offensive or defensive mode.

Schmuck.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 8:51:16 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Paladin2

Lever actions are not “black”, at least were not when immortalized in westerns.

But you should look at how they were ‘customized’ by indians (yup).

Brass tacks, carvings, feathers, ... really scary and turned them into ‘assualt rifles’.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 8:52:47 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (You can count my felonies by looking at my FR replies.)
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To: rktman

Read this letter in the paper yesterday and came unglued! What a friggin’ idiot! But, the Ledger WILL always print those kinds of letters, now that it’s part of the St. Pete, err, Tampa Bay Times!


17 posted on 05/11/2014 8:54:42 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: rktman

Now you see why the Feds are so intent on dumbing down our kids through Public Schools.

They fail to recognize the Tyranny imposed OUTSIDE of the Constitutional process this writer pretends to be the source of the Tyranny.

We have courts and executive orders circumventing the Constitutional process to impose Tyranny, and this clown can’t see that.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 8:55:43 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: rktman

The Lakeland Ledger was a collectivist rag back when I was growing up in Tampa. Even though it was a business account of my father’s, I knew from him it was as “liberal’ as the St Pete Times of Poynter Institute infamy.

Commies have been active in Florida for generations.

Electronic media is killing them off.

;-)


19 posted on 05/11/2014 9:12:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: rktman
The anti-gunners have done a complete 180 turn on the significance of the Militia clause of the Second Amendment.

Initially it meant EVERYTHING. Only members of a government-controlled "Well-Regulated Militia" could own weapons, which would obviously include M16s.

Now that the Supreme Court has explained that the right includes weapons for self-defense, the anti-gunners would now state that the Militia clause means NOTHING. Only the government can possess M16s and the citizenry is limited to weapons that are only suited to self-defense and no other purpose.

We can only hope that soon the anti-gunners will become dizzy and pass out from exhaustion so that we get a break from their illogical nonsense.

20 posted on 05/11/2014 9:13:33 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

I don’t think the term “well-regulated” meant government controlled. Rather, a well-regulated militia is something beyond a ragtag assemblage of individuals but instead one that has enough experience and skill that it can be mustered into a combat unit of whatever size (squad, platoon or company) to ensure the security of a free state.


21 posted on 05/11/2014 9:58:57 AM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Procyon
Procyon said: I don’t think the term “well-regulated” meant government controlled.

That's correct. When I was a kid there was a clock in the school office which was named the "Regulator", because it was designed to do its job well, not because anybody actually expected the clock to be in control.

22 posted on 05/11/2014 10:15:49 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Paladin2

A good rifleman on a lever action can lay down some dang effective fire. Levers are also very reliable.

That said, people should be able to get whatever they fancy. I have levers, I have semi-auto, I like to mix it up sometimes when I’m out shooting.

On a side note, I was pumping out surplus .308 in my robinson arms this morning and it was actually performing quite well. I can consistently hit little 4 inch clay discs at 200 yards with that ammo.


23 posted on 05/11/2014 10:27:11 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: rktman
The idjit wrote about Washington using troops to quell the Whiskey rebellion. He seems to forget about a little insurrection called the revolution. Seems like Geo. Washington had a small part in that.

No one mentioned that Washington made a lot of money running stills making whiskey. Just saying.

24 posted on 05/11/2014 10:47:06 AM PDT by Big Mack (I love this country. ItÂ’s the government that scares the crap out of me)
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To: kiryandil
If it’s true that “assault weapons” are “weapons of war” and don’t belong on the streets of America, why do the police need them? Who are the police at war with?

You haven't been paying attention. When a modern sporting rifle is in possession of the police, the rifle becomes a "patrol" rifle.

The second a citizen touches a "patrol" rifle, it instantly transforms into an evil, 1000 round a minute, high powered, bullet spewing, assault weapon killing machine.

25 posted on 05/11/2014 10:47:52 AM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: William Tell

In the 1970s, anti-gun script writers were claiming the Miller Decision by the SCOTUS proved RIFLES were protected under the 2nd Amendment but handguns were not.

Lots of TV shows at that time parroted that thought.

Now, suddenly rifles are BAD, but we knew it was coming.


26 posted on 05/11/2014 10:54:25 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Bulwyf

At Plevna, the Turks cut the Russians to pieces with Winchester 1866 .44 rimfire rifles. The Russians then starved the Turks out rather than face that firepower.

In WWII, The Germans thought they were under machine gun attacks when the British opened up on them with their .303 Enfield bolt action rifles.


27 posted on 05/11/2014 10:58:10 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Ruy Dias de Bivar said: "Now, suddenly rifles are BAD, but we knew it was coming."

Yes. Whatever the anti-gunners think they CAN ban is what SHOULD be banned.

The recent Peruta decision from the Ninth Circuit poses an interesting question.

The decision notes that Kalifornia has outlawed open carry and thus is expressing a preference for concealed carry. Thus the local law enforcement must accept "self defense" as GOOD CAUSE to issue a permit to carry concealed.

The dissenting judge in that case rightfully points out that there is no level of infringement of the Second Amendment which transform an unprotected activity into a protected activity.

This is actually a very astute observation.

The fact is that rifles and other long guns CANNOT be concealed. To accept the Peruta decision, without some further mention of how the bearing of long guns is protected, is to suggest that our Founders intended that the bearing of rifles could be banned by the government.

That is absolute nonsense.

The good news is that the anti-gunners will NEVER agree willingly to allow open carry of firearms. Once such open carry is clearly included in the right to keep and bear arms, the anti-gunners will BEG for a "shall-issue" concealed carry law in order to make open carry less acceptable even though such carry is protected.

28 posted on 05/11/2014 11:04:16 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: rktman

Scroll just a bit farther until the headline that reads, “Officer shoots aggressive dog in Hampton.”

Armed citizens aren’t the problem, Bruce. Because you’ve chosen to be mentally disarmed is no reason to impose idiocy on others.


29 posted on 05/11/2014 11:11:12 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: rktman
It's not an article. It's just a Letter to the Editor. It classes with semi-news, semi-satire. Bruce has a right to his opinion. Actually, downtown Lakeland is a good place to carry concealed.

BTW, maybe Bruce is dismayed with the NRA because Lakeland has a really fine, active, well-organized gun club.

30 posted on 05/11/2014 11:12:31 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Paladin2
Lever action and pump action have been around a while. Semi autos are not that much faster.

For carefully aimed shots. But maybe you've never seen a 11-man rifle squad lay down a base of fire with M1 smoking-hot Garands for another squad to maneuver into position to cover the shooters. It's pure hell to be on the other end, man.

31 posted on 05/11/2014 11:24:03 AM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: rktman

32 posted on 05/11/2014 11:27:45 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: rktman

Bruce Kistler clearly doesn’t know sh*t from Shinola.


33 posted on 05/11/2014 3:23:17 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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