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Republican Primary Voters Seem Determined to Nominate Candidates Who can Win
RightWing News ^ | May 10, 2014 | Michael Barone

Posted on 05/11/2014 9:04:26 AM PDT by QT3.14

Results of Tuesday’s primaries, particularly the victory of state House Speaker Thom Tillis in North Carolina’s Republican Senate primary, are being hailed — or decried — as a victory for the Republican establishment over the Tea Party movement. There’s something to that. Tillis benefited from support from Karl Rove’s American Crossroads and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and endorsements by Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush.

In contrast, Sen. Rand Paul flew in on the day before the election to campaign for second-place finisher and fellow physician Greg Bannon, who was also endorsed by Tea Party Patriots and FreedomWorks. Mike Huckabee campaigned for the third-place candidate, minister Mark Harris.

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1 posted on 05/11/2014 9:04:26 AM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

ya establishment candidates like Romney, McCane, Dole.... there is a winning record for you. They dont care about winning the just want to enjoy control over the corruption...


2 posted on 05/11/2014 9:08:43 AM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: Breto

And... not only have tea party candidates had to defend themselves against the DNC but vicious and covert attacks from the GOP.


3 posted on 05/11/2014 9:10:05 AM PDT by Breto (Stranger in a strange land... where did America go?)
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To: QT3.14
I know some don't want the Senate if we don't have Tea Party folks only, but I am really worried about the Supreme Court. The Conservatives are not exactly spring chickens. Yes I know that Obama gets to pick, but at least maybe we can have somebody that is not all the way to the left that their is no way to become anymore left.
4 posted on 05/11/2014 9:10:26 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: Breto

Well for every Dole and Romney, we have had an O’Donnell, Akin, and Murdock, Sharon Angle. We don’t have a terrific track record either.


5 posted on 05/11/2014 9:13:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Governor Scott Walker 2016 for the future of the country!)
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To: QT3.14

A Conservative candidate who cannot win is worse than useless. Such a candidate will enable the election of a RINO at the primary level, or an even worse outcome, a liberal Democrat in a general election.

Conservatism advances only when Conservatives win elections. The dilemma that presents when the Conservative candidate that you prefer cannot win must be resolved in favor of the lesser choice who can prevail against the left. Remember, only about 30% of voters are solid Conservatives. Elections are won by persuading 21% of the rest to vote your way.


6 posted on 05/11/2014 9:17:36 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: QT3.14

While the Akins, Mourdocks, O’Donnells and Angles of the world satisfy the anti-GOPe itch at nomination time, unfortunately they don’t hand the political acumen to run a winning campaign. Harry Reid should’ve been long relegated to backbench hell by know, but got a major reprieve when Sharron Angle won the primary in 2010.

While I strongly support the TEA Party’s philosophies, their choices for Senate seats are often lacking.


7 posted on 05/11/2014 9:23:56 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: ScottinVA

*HAVE the political acumen


8 posted on 05/11/2014 9:24:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: QT3.14

GOP spends more money defeating conservatives than Democrips. Remember that.


9 posted on 05/11/2014 9:26:43 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ScottinVA

Because establishment picks like Tommy Thompson and Rick Berg have a great record of success.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 9:27:25 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: QT3.14

It is hard to change stupidity.


11 posted on 05/11/2014 9:29:00 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: centurion316
If the conservative can't win, I'm not voting for the liberal, D or R. Too bad if that upsets some folks.

/johnny

12 posted on 05/11/2014 9:38:06 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: QT3.14
Republican voters. Ah, we don't KNOW that.
13 posted on 05/11/2014 9:46:39 AM PDT by DManA
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m with you John.

What’s the difference being different
When it’s difference now that looks alike
You say I’m changing, I’m not sure that’s wrong


14 posted on 05/11/2014 9:49:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: JRandomFreeper

It only upsets those who have to live under liberal rule. Those who side on the sideline are giving someone else their choice.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 9:50:53 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316
I won't vote for a liberal (R). That's just the way it works now. Lots of conservatives have decided the same.

You enablers of liberal republicans are going to start losing.

Besides, when the GOP-E held both houses and the presidency, they governed like liberals. They don't have a great track record of governing like conservatives.

/johnny

16 posted on 05/11/2014 9:55:31 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Those who sit on the sidelines awaiting the arrival of the perfect candidate earn the privilege of being called the losers Those who win invariably treat them that way.


17 posted on 05/11/2014 9:59:18 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

The republican party isn’t concerned about people like us so I don’t know why you should be. In fact the Rs seem eager for me to leave. Do everything they can to let me know I’m not welcome in their little club.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 9:59:44 AM PDT by DManA
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To: centurion316

This idea that we are waiting for a “perfect” candidate is a lie. Trotted out thousands of times a day but a lie none the less.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 10:01:04 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

That does not strike me as much of a plan for success.


20 posted on 05/11/2014 10:01:45 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: QT3.14
Nov 02, 2012 · Michael Barone Predicts Huge Romney Win
21 posted on 05/11/2014 10:03:21 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: centurion316

We have different ideas of what constitutes success. People with my point of view haven’t had a success since 1984.


22 posted on 05/11/2014 10:04:00 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

It’s an opinion, not a lie and there is a very big difference. If Conservatives cannot field candidates who are capable of winning in this year’s political climate, then they will have forfeited all hopes of ever regaining political power.


23 posted on 05/11/2014 10:05:44 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: DManA

The party that controls three out of three elective bodies of government is successful. Two out of three, and one out of three is partial success. Zero out of three is a failure.


24 posted on 05/11/2014 10:09:01 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

Electing a party that uses the power we delegate to it to increase Federal spending and the administrative state represents a failure to me.


25 posted on 05/11/2014 10:10:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: QT3.14

The tea party has won the real war. We have candidates voting against measures that they worked on in an effort to be conservative enough for the voters.

Remember Reagan’s words about how much you can accomplish if you don’t take credit for it. By remaining a liquid movement and not an established party, the tea party has allowed its values and principles to succeed.


26 posted on 05/11/2014 10:10:53 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: centurion316

It is a demonstrable lie. I have supported Republicans. Non of them have been perfect.


27 posted on 05/11/2014 10:11:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

I have no opinion of you as I know nothing about you or who you may have supported. When did you get the idea that I was talking about you? Goodbye.


28 posted on 05/11/2014 10:15:15 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

You can’t seriously say that when the GOP-E is doing everything it can to squash conservative candidates. They should be able to beat the GOP-E easily, but you know what happens. The GOP-E is trying to kick us out. They fight harder to beat The tea party than democrats.


29 posted on 05/11/2014 10:15:35 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: centurion316

Are you going to deny you were talking to me?

Go kiss a RINO’s rear end.


30 posted on 05/11/2014 10:16:36 AM PDT by DManA
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To: napscoordinator
but I am really worried about the Supreme Court.

Republican Senate Majority is no guarantee that you will get conservative Judges, some of the Worst were put in place by the GOPe.

31 posted on 05/11/2014 10:18:08 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If the conservative can't win, I'm not voting for the liberal, D or R.

Ditto.

32 posted on 05/11/2014 10:19:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: centurion316
Those who sit on the sidelines awaiting the arrival of the perfect candidate earn the privilege of being called the losers Those who win invariably treat them that way.

Those who insist we vote for the lessor of two evils gave us the current government, which can only be describes as communistic.

33 posted on 05/11/2014 10:23:47 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
If the conservative can't win, I'm not voting for the liberal, D or R. Too bad if that upsets some folks.

Same here...but I've had that policy for years.

34 posted on 05/11/2014 10:30:27 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: centurion316
Dole

McCain

Romney

Voted for all three, but d@mned if I vote for another, so take your "surrender to the commies crap" and stuff it.

35 posted on 05/11/2014 10:38:54 AM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: ScottinVA
While the Akins, Mourdocks, O’Donnells and Angles of the world satisfy the anti-GOPe itch at nomination time, unfortunately they don’t hand the political acumen to run a winning campaign. Harry Reid should’ve been long relegated to backbench hell by know, but got a major reprieve when Sharron Angle won the primary in 2010.

Correct. In the primaries we should be nominating the most conservative candidate that CAN win.

But the establishment has had some pretty major whiffs on the Senate side too, and who can forget the social conservatives nominating Todd Akin (the TEA Party candidate was Sarah Steelman and she would have almost certainly defeated Claire McCaskill).

As we see one of the fault lines dividing the more conservative grass roots is actually TEA Party versus socon's as evident in N.C. where Huckabee (and his traditionalist, religious wing of the party) endorsed Reverend Mike Harris who would never have won a general election anyway. Give Harris's votes to Brannon and it would have been extremely close instead of a runaway Tillis victory.

Either way, all the talk about the TEA Party being dead is nonsense. It is pushing the party to the right, even when it doesn't win primaries. It forces "establishment" candidates to go on record as further to the right than they'd otherwise choose to be. It's kinda like the now defunct 99% Occutard movement in one way. We all laugh at that silliness, but it took debt off the national agenda and replaced it with income inequality as an issue. Even today that effect lingers. The TEA Party doesn't have to win every election, they just have to yank the party rightward.

And of all the people bemoaning the Republican Party being too centrist, I wonder when they can point out in modern history when it has been any better? I'd say the GOP, however unwilling, is more conservative now than it has been in forever. People forget the Republican party in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and up until the Gingrich revolution was a limp wrist go-along, get-along token opposition with the likes of Bob Michel essentially running it. Was Ike very conservative? Was Nixon? Geeze, Nixon gave us the EPA, price controls and all manner of liberal badness.

But I do agree, conservatives need to vet our candidates better and line up behind folks that CAN actually win. Nominating someone who has no chance, and worse - no future, is a total waste of time.

36 posted on 05/11/2014 10:47:44 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

Huckabee was a spoiler with McCain. He is a spoiler again. Keep following the cross to defeat. Or is he a wolf in sheep’s clothing?


37 posted on 05/11/2014 10:55:41 AM PDT by j.argese (Not anymore!)
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To: j.argese
Huckabee was a spoiler with McCain. He is a spoiler again. Keep following the cross to defeat. Or is he a wolf in sheep’s clothing?

I don't like Huckabee and don't even consider him particularly conservative at all, but he does represent a wing of the Republican party that feels like so many people express here (except on the TEA Party side). That is, if the party doesn't nominate someone they consider sufficiently shares their views, they won't vote at all. This particular group is largely evangelicals who vote on religious issues. They will vote only when they really like the candidate, which is often ministers, reverends, people known primarily as socon's, etc. They don't care about electability in general elections, and end up dividing the conservative primary vote backing candidates who have no real chance to win a general election.

I don't really even consider these people particular conservative on anything but social issues. I think many would be happy to grow government on the issues they care about, like hire 10,000 regulators to ban porn on the Internet, etc.

This is the problem with the all or nothing types. They don't think particularly strategically and won't understand that general elections are a choice of viable candidates (which is almost always 2 in our two party system), not an affirmative endorsement of any candidate. In our winner take all system with no opportunity for coalition building, in general elections we will almost always be voting just as much against a candidate as for one.

38 posted on 05/11/2014 11:10:02 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: centurion316
The perfect candidate canard.

Nope, not waiting on a perfect candidate, just a conservative one. A candidate that supports abortion, gun-control, socialized medicine, or amnesty won't get my vote.

If you like living under liberals, vote for the liberal republican.

The republicans are the problem. They hate conservatives. They say so. They spend millions against conservatives. And still, you give them your vote.

You are the loser. Anyone that votes for a liberal, D or R, is.

/johnny

39 posted on 05/11/2014 11:19:33 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper; DManA; centurion316

When so called “conservatives” believe a path to victory with a RINO is a win, then collapse is certain.

It’s not at all our conservative candidates. It’s clearly the useful idiot syndrome that composes the electorate.

This now has to include “conservatives”, who are willing to be rolled by the process over and over like Pavlov’s dogs. Reversing this process can’t be achieved so long as the voters board the same trains to nowhere.

One of these days they’re going to be let off at a very unpleasant destination.


40 posted on 05/11/2014 11:27:23 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: napscoordinator

You have that right! We are having a hard time beating even the likes of Lindsey Graham. We have nominated candidates that the mediacrats just take apart and they remind us of that everytime they get. Now GOP primary voters are very reluctant to vote for the people they most agree with. We must nominate only good people who have it in them not to embarass us or we will be stuck with the scum of the country club.


41 posted on 05/11/2014 11:29:47 AM PDT by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is a feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing corksucker.)
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To: napscoordinator

“but I am really worried about the Supreme Court.”

Well, well, well, Let us not forget that Republican presidents have selected major failures for the Supreme Court.

RINO Bush gave us the current Supreme Court looser Roberts. ACA is a Tax, not dissimilar to the penumbras that allow abortions on demand


42 posted on 05/11/2014 11:35:19 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: centurion316

When you are a frog in the pot that is not yet boiling, asking 21% of you fellow frogs to increase the heat only a little bit does NOT appeal to me.


43 posted on 05/11/2014 11:37:39 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: QT3.14

There are two parts of winning a campaign: your beliefs/principles/issues, and your viability/organization/campaign.

Too many conservative candidates think they can simply whip out a flag and Constitution and wave it around, and everyone will vote for them. But unless you have a completely worthless opponent, you also need to have an organized campaign and the money to fund it in such a way as to get out and win votes for you.

That fact applies as much to the Dems as it does the GOP. Even if, like the Dems often do, you have a third party propping up the campaign, SOMEONE has to do the heavy lifting. Shoot-from-the-hip, wing and a prayer, shoestring candidacies almost never win general elections.

Tea Party candidates take note.


44 posted on 05/11/2014 11:44:08 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead...)
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To: Viennacon

Well.. note that the candidacies of both went south especially after Mourdock deep-sixed his late in the campaign. Nothing like energizing the left right at the least opportune time.


45 posted on 05/11/2014 11:46:26 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: DanZ

I’m all ears for your plan on how to win with 30%. Of course Obama did it, but I’m not sure that I would want to go the lying and cheating route


46 posted on 05/11/2014 11:46:27 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

“I’m all ears for your plan on how to win with 30%. Of course Obama did it, but I’m not sure that I would want to go the lying and cheating route”

1st - do not bitch at the not so glib Todd Aiken’s of this world. Your RINOs have given us worse

2nd - We lost at the Alamo - I think we had 30% there and you are correct we did loose.

3rd - DO not give in to RINO loosers at the Federal level. Simple do not vote for them. Instead educate yourself on Local issues and vote those.


47 posted on 05/11/2014 11:51:17 AM PDT by DanZ
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To: centurion316

I don’t agree. Sometimes, when a RINO (especially those who attack conservatives)has been in office too long, it is better that the Dem win. Those RINOs are just as evil in the end.


48 posted on 05/11/2014 12:04:14 PM PDT by rcofdayton (.)
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To: QT3.14; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; RitaOK; napscoordinator; ScottinVA; centurion316; Yaelle; ...
Republican Primary Voters Seem Determined to Nominate Candidates Who can Win

In Michael Barone's thinking, are "candidates who can win" a euphemism for RINOs?

BTW, not all Republican primary voters are registered Republicans. Some states have no formal voter registration by party and others have "open" primaries.

49 posted on 05/11/2014 2:18:10 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

We technically have open primaries in Michigan but you can only get a republican or democrat primary ballot.

Its fine when democrats have choices of their own to make but when they don’t they can go nuts with GOP ballots.


50 posted on 05/11/2014 2:21:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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