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Russian History Is on Our Side: Putin Will Surely Screw Himself
The Daily Beast ^ | 05/11/2014 | P. J. O’Rourke

Posted on 05/11/2014 6:18:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 05/11/2014 6:23:14 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

So the international sanctions aren’t working—don’t worry! If 1,000 years of Russian screw-ups are anything to go by, it won’t be long before Vladimir Putin brings himself down.

Now that we’ve failed to use Russia’s corrupt and degenerating economy, subservience to the international banking system, and vulnerability to falling energy prices to pop Vladimir Putin like a zit, we’re going to have sit on our NATO, E.U., and OSCE duffs and take the long view of Russian imperialism.


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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: banking; economy; international; pjorourke; president; putin; russia; ukraine
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1 posted on 05/11/2014 6:18:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So we’re reduced to “crossing our fingers” and hoping that our enemies screw up? Is that how we won World War II and the Cold War?


2 posted on 05/11/2014 6:21:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes. :)

Russia assumed that it could keep up with the US during the Arms race and debted itself into oblivion.

However, I cannot say that Putin will make any fatal mistakes. He’s a very smart man and probably quite learned in Russian history. If any Russian leader makes any errors, it probably won’t be him.


3 posted on 05/11/2014 6:28:52 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s it, we’re triple crossed.


4 posted on 05/11/2014 6:29:45 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: SeekAndFind

Will Obama or Putin mess this up first/worst? Only an intentionally oblivious Obama-worshiper would bet on the US to win this one.


5 posted on 05/11/2014 6:38:34 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Jonty30

“I cannot say that Putin will make any fatal mistakes. He’s a very smart man”
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I agree. Putin is just basking in the sun of a weak and rudderless USA, under the helm of Barky Obumbo.
I suspect that tweaking Obumbo is now his favorite game.


6 posted on 05/11/2014 6:42:45 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: Pollster1
I agree.

Russia and Putin may be “F-up” but the current resident in the White House is rapidly destroying my country using the Lying Monkey Party (aka Democrat). Putin to his credit does not publicly promote baby killing faggetry, God mocking and treason to his own nation!

7 posted on 05/11/2014 6:47:39 PM PDT by texican01
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To: SeekAndFind
pop Vladimir Putin like a zit

If Putin would pop the Zippy and Jarrett like a zit, he would be doing us a wonderful service.

8 posted on 05/11/2014 6:53:14 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: SeekAndFind

Russian History Is on Our Side


That may be true but I think most people are wondering just what in the hell is our side.


9 posted on 05/11/2014 6:55:33 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: SeekAndFind

Unfortunately we have Obama and the people who elected him - twice.
I’d say history is on Putin’s side.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 7:04:08 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: SeekAndFind

P.J. jumped the shark long ago


11 posted on 05/11/2014 7:06:27 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Little Ray

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a foolish man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”


12 posted on 05/11/2014 7:07:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: SeekAndFind

history is on the side of Godless Sodomites and those responsible for the greatest genocide in human history (the abortion holocaust)?

lol

wow... that’s a good one!


13 posted on 05/11/2014 7:08:42 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is that how we won World War II

Russia probably did more to defeat Germany during WWII than any other one nation.

14 posted on 05/11/2014 7:15:25 PM PDT by PaulCruz2016
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To: PaulCruz2016

RE: Russia probably did more to defeat Germany during WWII than any other one nation.

Climate Change was on Russia’s side, both against Hitler and Napoleon.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 7:16:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Pollster1

I am betting EU will fall apart before Russia—and with it NATO.


16 posted on 05/11/2014 7:19:47 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: SeekAndFind

SO, Tina Brown’s Radical Left website thinks Putin will eventually screw himself???

So, to protect the messiah, and hide the incompetence of this whole affair, we’re down to WISHING Putin to “Screw Up”???

He isn’t Obama, after all.


17 posted on 05/11/2014 7:23:29 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Russia won’t screw this up under Putin. It will be screwed up by whatever or whoever follows him after he’s gone. There is no presumptive dynastic succession and like most dictators, he is not grooming anyone to replace him. Dictators don’t like the potential competition.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 7:45:30 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: PaulCruz2016

The Soviet Union sided with Nazi Germany literally to the day Hitler invaded them. There would have been no modernized Luftwaffe, tanks or rocket program without the assistance of the Soviet Union during the inter-war years and they also divided up Poland. I have no sympathy at all for the Russians and what happened to them in that era. We could have bested the Axis without the USSR, although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 7:49:31 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: ravenwolf
most people are wondering just what in the hell is our side.

“God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.” ― Otto von Bismarck
20 posted on 05/11/2014 8:10:08 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Mercy is about all there could be left for the USA at this point. If it is not to go to hell forthwith.


21 posted on 05/11/2014 8:11:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.”

The USSR did suffer some minor casualties, somewhere around 20-22 million


22 posted on 05/11/2014 8:11:25 PM PDT by Insigne123 (It is the soldier, not the community organizer, who gives us freedom of the press)
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To: Insigne123

Mostly due to Stalin’s incompetence and brutality.


23 posted on 05/11/2014 8:12:32 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: PaulCruz2016

Yes, they did.


24 posted on 05/11/2014 8:14:02 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: Insigne123

Socialism/Communism and National Socialism sure are deadly, aren’t they?


25 posted on 05/11/2014 8:14:12 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Given that a Satanic Mass is about to be performed at Harvard, I believe we’re fast heading towards having to do penance for throwing God’s just mercy away on the Devil.


26 posted on 05/11/2014 8:16:03 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Russia served as a way to drain German resources and distract the German military command.


27 posted on 05/11/2014 8:17:47 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Harvard has long been weird.


28 posted on 05/11/2014 8:18:29 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: texican01

The people who voted Obama in are the ones destroying the country with what you’ve just described.


29 posted on 05/11/2014 8:18:57 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I thought Mr. O’Rourke was smarter.


30 posted on 05/11/2014 8:19:01 PM PDT by glyptol
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To: henkster

Makes me wonder what Putin has up his sleeve.


31 posted on 05/11/2014 8:19:56 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Harvard has long been weird... but anyhow that should get Harvard damned (maybe) but the whole US? No follow.


32 posted on 05/11/2014 8:20:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: SeekAndFind

By the time the US entered the war, Russia was legendary for being the place where German soldiers knew that they would not be allowed to live as hostages. They would be killed and in very painful ways. In fairness to Russia, Russia did in many ways drain the energy of the German military. Hitler made the same mistakes, but Russia took one of the biggest hits of WWII. If not the biggest hit.


33 posted on 05/11/2014 8:21:27 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

Russia got many of their supplies and armaments from .... wait for it .... the United States.


34 posted on 05/11/2014 8:22:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The US, by choices, has moved so disgustingly against and away from God that that something like this could be fathomable, much less actually carried out, is beyond the pale.


35 posted on 05/11/2014 8:22:49 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister

As if the US would make Harvard stop?

Sorry to break it to you but this has not been a theocracy. Ever.


36 posted on 05/11/2014 8:23:42 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yet they were fighting while we manufactured and supplied. I’m not going to dump on Russia or ignore Russia’s huge sacrifice.


37 posted on 05/11/2014 8:23:49 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No of course not, nor should we be, but really, I never imagined Harvard would do something like this.


38 posted on 05/11/2014 8:24:55 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: CorporateStepsister
We were fighting all over the world while we manufactured and supplied. If you want to lionize Stalin and the Red Army, go right ahead, I can't stop you. They treated prisoners and civilians far worse, in the main, than either the Axis or Allied powers ever did. If you want proof, read any detailed history of that period.
39 posted on 05/11/2014 8:30:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: struwwelpeter
“God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.” ― Otto von Bismarck -------------------------- They sure seems to fit.
40 posted on 05/11/2014 8:33:35 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: SeekAndFind

The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president.”


Exactly.


41 posted on 05/11/2014 8:37:31 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: SeekAndFind

In the long run, Putin will screw himself. For the Keynesian value of “the long run”.


42 posted on 05/11/2014 9:24:40 PM PDT by RichInOC ("It's good to be tsar.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

~Russia got many of their supplies and armaments from .... wait for it .... the United States~

Allies supplied under 10% of materiel and equipment used by the Soviets which is actually huge but nowhere near critical.
Massive Allied bombing campaign against German industries was more important for the Russians but it wasn’t critical as well because Soviets outproduced Germans in every department anyway. Their economy was larger and it was all guns and to butter.
If not for the Allied involvement Soviets could have been in Berlin in say late 1946.
A result of operation Barbarosa was clear in December 1941 to any thinking strategist. And in earlier 1943 everyone but Hitler and his toadies knew that Red Army would be there sooner than later.
I think an idea behind D-Day was not that much to defeat Germany, but to deter Stalin from expanding his buffer zone into W Europe (France was more leftist than Czechoslovakia at the time and was an easy pick for Communists).


43 posted on 05/11/2014 10:04:51 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

~They treated prisoners and civilians far worse, in the main, than either the Axis or Allied powers ever did. If you want proof, read any detailed history of that period.~

That might be a reason why more than third of Soviet military casualties are POWs industrially killed in a Nazi death camps. And who killed these 22 million Soviet civilians? Germans has killed about 25% of population of Belarus and decimated Ukraine, including almost every Jew they could find.

Soviets has never come close. If they did, there wouldn’t be any Germans left at all. Yes, Soviets were brutal to SS and Einsatzgruppen personnel but not to the rest of POWs. There are numerous stories of Soviets sharing their rations with the captured enemies. As for German warcrimes they are well documented.


44 posted on 05/11/2014 10:18:03 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

45 posted on 05/11/2014 10:21:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2M for Cruz and/or Palin's next run, what will you do?)
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To: tcrlaf

Exactly, the title and first two paragraphs are meant to bolster the liberal/progressive sensative world view of Czar Obama the Impoverisher. The rest of the article hardly supports the rhetoric, but then who’s reading it...you’ll probably stop reading around the sixth or seventh paragraph, if that.


46 posted on 05/12/2014 5:16:47 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; dfwgator
We could have bested the Axis without the USSR, although it would have been much more costly and hard-fought.

Having studied the war between Nazi Germany and the USSR most of my adult life, it wasn't quite that simple. And I would point out that the Soviets felt the same way about our participation.

Very few people in the West know the guy who actually won the war for the Soviet Union; Marshal Boris Shaposhnikov, who developed the Red Army mobilization plans. It was his work that allowed the Stalin to create fresh armies on the fly more rapidly than the Germans could destroy them. And all the while, even though those armies were destroyed in the meatgrinder, they wore down the Germans who could not replace their losses.

Yes, Stalin's brutality and incompetence cost a lot of lives in that war. Most of that was because of the condition he put the Red Army on June 22, 1941, with the officer purges, the rapid expansion of the force structure, the obsolete worn out equipment and occupation of unfortified and unfriendly areas. Because of that the Red Army was going to have to learn its craft in the field, and those lessons were going to be expensive. It was never going to be a rapier like the German panzer units, but instead, by necessity, it was a club used to bludgeon the Wehrmacht into submission. By 1943, Stalin found the generals who knew how to swing the club.

Could we have defeated the Axis in Europe without the USSR? Maybe. Over the course of two wars and two generations at the cost of copious amounts of American blood. The German war machine was in decline by June 6, 1944. We had complete air and naval superiority. And yet, Normandy was not a cakewalk.

47 posted on 05/12/2014 7:06:29 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

history is on the side of Godless Sodomites and those responsible for the greatest genocide in human history (the abortion holocaust)?

lol

wow... that’s a good one!

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Russian federation:

68.4 abortions per 1000 women.

US:

22.9 abortions per 1000 women.

http://www.top5ofanything.com/index.php?h=eafb416e


48 posted on 05/12/2014 7:50:18 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

I have a legitimate point but look as the rates from 20 years ago to bring things into perspective.
Also note that America considered a moral compass and in Russia ‘liberation of women’ and abortion was pushed since 90 years ago before the pill ever discovered.


49 posted on 05/12/2014 9:02:20 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Since I’ve not posted to you, I’m not 100% sure what you are responding to.


50 posted on 05/12/2014 9:07:52 AM PDT by dmz
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