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UKRAINE: As east Ukrainians vote in referendum, poll shows opposition to secession
haaretz.com ^ | May 11, 2014 4:05 PM | By Asaf Ronel

Posted on 05/11/2014 8:30:14 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com

In a Pew survey, more than two-thirds of people in eastern Ukraine seek to remain in Ukraine.

Many people were skeptical when Russian President Vladimir Putin called for separatists in eastern Ukraine to postpone a referendum on joining the Russian Federation. Either way, the leaders of the pro-Russian faction are holding the plebiscite Sunday all the same. They may be disappointed: In a survey by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center, 70 percent of respondents in eastern Ukraine sought to remain in Ukraine.

Leaving aside the West’s suspicions about a vote taking place under the Kremlin’s watchful eye, Ukraine’s military operations in the east and the clashes in the region’s cities don’t enhance the referendum’s credibility.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: referendum; ukraine

1 posted on 05/11/2014 8:30:14 PM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

May I ask how Pew is able to poll seemingly anywhere? Isn’t this place kind of a warzone right now? Did they do polls in Baghdad during the Iraq war?

I can imagine Abdul watching the American tanks roll by his house, then the phone rings...

“Hello?”
“Hi, we’re with Pew Research. How do you feel about the Iraq War?”


2 posted on 05/11/2014 8:32:44 PM PDT by Viennacon (p)
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To: Viennacon
May I ask how Pew is able to poll seemingly anywhere? Isn’t this place kind of a warzone right now?

I noticed that you didn't ask how the votes get counted in Donetsk? As you say the place is a war zone.

3 posted on 05/11/2014 8:44:51 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

You have to wonder with transparent ballot boxes, same as used in the Crimea, how many people felt coerced to vote a certain way.


4 posted on 05/11/2014 8:45:23 PM PDT by meatloaf (Impeach Obama. That's my New Year's resolution.)
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To: FreeReign

They don’t. The outcome it likely pre-determined.


5 posted on 05/11/2014 8:46:59 PM PDT by Viennacon (p)
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To: meatloaf; Viennacon
You have to wonder with transparent ballot boxes, same as used in the Crimea, how many people felt coerced to vote a certain way.

Also who counted the vote?

Who were the pro Ukrainian poll watchers? (I doubt there were any)

How would a pro Ukrainian poll watcher not be intimidated?...when pro Ukrainians have been threatened, beat up, kidnapped, shot and killed over the last few weeks in Donetsk.

All those legitimate questions yet we had poster questioning a poll?

6 posted on 05/11/2014 8:51:22 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Viennacon
They don’t. The outcome it likely pre-determined.

Right. Thanks.

7 posted on 05/11/2014 8:52:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

In such an environment, neither vote nor poll is reliable, so Pew’s ‘research’ is no more useful than the outcome of the fraudulent election itself.


8 posted on 05/11/2014 8:57:12 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon; All

How can there be any assurance that votes are being counted honestly?


9 posted on 05/11/2014 9:00:13 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: meatloaf

Russia’s Putin is having trouble taking what he wants from Ukraine, and BLM’s Feudal Lord Reid is having trouble taking what he wants from Nevada, New Mexico and TEXAS - - - - - .

Causes one to think, doesn’t it?

What is the World coming to if people here in 2014 STILL refuse to be shot like cattle? And yet we can send a rocket to the Moon - - - -. Sigh.


10 posted on 05/11/2014 9:03:47 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: gleeaikin

“How can there be any assurance that votes are being counted honestly?”

Ever been to Chicago?


11 posted on 05/11/2014 9:05:34 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: gleeaikin
As the great Democrat statesman William Marcy Tweed said,

"The ballots made no result, the counters made the result."

The result will be what Putin wants it to be. Just like the elections in the Soviet Union and the former Eastern Bloc Communist countries.

12 posted on 05/11/2014 9:08:41 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Viennacon

Likely predetermined? I would say undoubtedly predetermined.


13 posted on 05/11/2014 9:08:56 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: teppe

“Likely predetermined? I would say undoubtedly predetermined.”

Several Western Journos noted today, in Tweets, that in informal straw polling they did in the lines waiting to vote, that nearly as many people were there to vote for independence, as there were to vote against the unelected Kiev government.

Half wanted to stay as part of Ukraine, but not under the “Criminals” in charge after the coup.

They also noted that the massacres of the last week played a huge part in deciding to even vote in the referendum.

Kiev couldn’t have made dumber moves, than they have in the last 10 days or so.


14 posted on 05/11/2014 9:14:28 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: gleeaikin

“How can there be any assurance that votes are being counted honestly?”

If Jimmy Carter puts his stamp of approval on it we will know it’s a sham for sure.


15 posted on 05/11/2014 9:15:49 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Viennacon
In such an environment, neither vote nor poll is reliable, so Pew’s ‘research’ is no more useful than the outcome of the fraudulent election itself.

I agree.

That said, there have been polls over the years plus there was the original independence vote back in 1991.

For example 83% of the voters in Donetsk in '91 voted for an independent Ukraine.

My educated guess today in Donetsk is that somewhere between 25% and 40% would want to break away with a lesser amount wanting to become part of Russia. And that the pro Ukrainian majority of voters in Donetsk are being intimidated.

Same thing goes for Luhansk.

16 posted on 05/11/2014 9:17:10 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: tcrlaf
Ever been to Chicago?

This is a thread about Ukraine.

Why are you diverting attention?

Everybody here (and their brother) knows about the problems in Chicago.

17 posted on 05/11/2014 9:19:23 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Graewoulf

Very good point. I might add that just as Reid has unleashed the DOJ on the Bundy protesters, the Ukrainian nationalists are publicly intimidated and “disappeared”.


18 posted on 05/11/2014 9:20:08 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: FreeReign

Nice to know you COMPLETELY missed the point, and the joke.


19 posted on 05/11/2014 9:21:46 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Nice to know you COMPLETELY missed the point, and the joke.

Nonsense. Apparently you missed my point.

20 posted on 05/11/2014 9:25:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: teppe

By the local leaders loyal to Russia who have taken control, yes. I expect that they have much to gain should the regions break away, monetary reward or otherwise. Less so should they stay with Ukraine, which can offer little incentive to them, bankrupt as they are.


21 posted on 05/11/2014 9:35:47 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Viennacon
I expect that they have much to gain should the regions break away, monetary reward or otherwise.

Yes they will be given the property of the ethnically cleansed Ukrainians.

22 posted on 05/11/2014 9:42:08 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: FreeReign

There is no electoral commission. Nor are there procedures for counting the votes or for determining the all-important turnout. (Remember Stalin’s maxim: “the election itself does not count, all that matters is who counts”).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2014/05/11/why-hold-ukraine-referendums-the-world-knows-are-shams-putin-has-his-reasons/


23 posted on 05/12/2014 12:28:12 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
These are the principal findings from the latest survey in Ukraine by the Pew Research Center based on face-to-face interviews of randomly selected adults from across the countr
24 posted on 05/12/2014 5:39:43 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Most in Serbia did not want Kosovo to ultimately have a referendum for autonomy. But Clinton wanted it....


25 posted on 05/12/2014 8:43:01 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
If Clinton/Obama support the Kosovo autonomy vote, then how can they not support the Eastern Ukraine provinces’ autonomy vote?

As I said in a past thread, the Kosovo autonomy vote opened up a can a worms, and is just one more part of Clinton's “legacy.”

The EU, Merkel, Hollande and Obama will either be seen as weak if they back down now, or hypocrites if they are against the Eastern Ukraine provinces’ vote.

26 posted on 05/12/2014 9:10:06 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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