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Forget Climate Change: EMP Attack On Power Grid Could Kill 9-In-10
Investor's Business Daily ^ | May 12, 2014 | IBD EDITORIALS

Posted on 05/12/2014 9:26:01 AM PDT by raptor22

Vulnerability: Expert testimony before Congress on Thursday warned that an electromagnetic pulse attack on our power grid and electronic infrastructure could leave most Americans dead and the U.S. in another century.

That dire warning came from Peter Vincent Pry, a member of the Congressional EMP Commission and executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security.

He testified in front of the House Homeland Security Committee's Subcommittee on Cybersecurity, Infrastructure Protection and Security Technologies that an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) event could wipe out 90% of America's population.

Most people's eyes might glaze over upon mention of the committee name, the title of the hearing — "Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP): Threat to Critical Infrastructure" — and the general subject of EMP. But it is a real threat and not the stuff of science fiction.

Some attention has been paid to the potential cataclysmic effects of a natural phenomenon such as a massive solar storm, an event that has occurred in America's horse-and-buggy era when it did not matter.

Today an electromagnetic pulse event would be devastating. It wouldn't need a solar storm, just a solitary nuke detonated in the atmosphere above the American heartland. We would envy the horse-and-buggy era.

"Natural EMP from a geomagnetic superstorm, like the 1859 Carrington Event or 1921 Railroad Storm, and nuclear EMP attack from terrorists or rogue states, as practiced by North Korea during the nuclear crisis of 2013, are both existential threats that could kill 9-of-10 Americans through starvation, disease and societal collapse," the Washington Free Beacon quoted Pry as saying.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: electricgrid; emp; northkorea; nuclearjihad; nuclearterror; nuclearterrorb; peterpry; petervincentpry; powergrid; pry
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1 posted on 05/12/2014 9:26:01 AM PDT by raptor22
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To: raptor22

According to UN Agenda 21, killing 90% of the population would be a GOOD thing. It’s the entire goal.


2 posted on 05/12/2014 9:27:18 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: Grampa Dave; granite; GreenFreeper; grjr21; I got the rope; IchBinEinBerliner; jaredt112; JayB; ...

EMP PING


3 posted on 05/12/2014 9:27:26 AM PDT by raptor22 (Follow me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: raptor22
That is a lot of chaff separated from the wheat.
4 posted on 05/12/2014 9:28:12 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: raptor22
just a solitary nuke detonated in the atmosphere above the American heartland

As an electrical engineer, specialized in power systems, I strongly doubt a single nuclear explosion would be more than a localized event.

5 posted on 05/12/2014 9:28:21 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Smaller populations are easier to control.


6 posted on 05/12/2014 9:30:56 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: thackney

Remember also, that after WWII, a devastated, non-electric mainland China still had roughly 450 million people surviving—not richly, I agree—on approximately the same land mass as the US, without much electrification.

It would be rough for the first few months. Cars and trucks would be re-configured to work with old-style distributors. Generators would work, but would supply power to local areas with a damaged grid. It wouldn’t be the Dark Ages, but it would be a major disaster.


7 posted on 05/12/2014 9:31:47 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: thackney

Hope you’re right. I’ve heard some pretty dire predictions of what could happen if the the nuke went off at a few hundred thousand feet.

I’m not qualified to say one way or the other, but some folks out there seem convinced.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 9:33:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: raptor22

With 90% of US population gone that would mean the rest of the world would be on that so called “level playing field”. Everyone would now have a great shot at success.


9 posted on 05/12/2014 9:35:10 AM PDT by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: All

“the nuclear crisis of 2013 ... North Korea”

Umm, a few vague threats from North Korea hardly amount to a crisis, but perhaps we should send them a pulse, after all, their ruling classes are probably the only ones on the grid anyway.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 9:35:49 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

The transition would kill most, if it was truly widespread. Those Chinese were already supporting themselves that way.


11 posted on 05/12/2014 9:37:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Doood....that doesn’t make any sense. The article is about the electro-magnetic pulse of a nuclear detonation at altitude.


12 posted on 05/12/2014 9:40:34 AM PDT by steerpike100
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To: steerpike100
The article is about the electro-magnetic pulse of a nuclear detonation at altitude.

I understand that. Do you understand how quickly the effect of an EMP falls away with distance? And the amount of distance we are talking about?

13 posted on 05/12/2014 9:42:09 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: raptor22

Oh good grief!!

Keep the masses all stirred up and in a state of fear.


14 posted on 05/12/2014 9:45:23 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: steerpike100

In my soon to be released novel (titled ‘EMP’) it is a massive solar event that causes the effect. It is mentioned in the book that the Amish communities are doing pretty well a couple of months in, because they didn’t have their day to day lives disrupted.


15 posted on 05/12/2014 9:45:36 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: raptor22

Was the disruption at LAX last week coinciding with the U-2 fly over an EMP test?


16 posted on 05/12/2014 9:46:07 AM PDT by conservativeimage.com (I Won't Go Underground http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wema3CNqzvg)
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To: steerpike100; thackney
The article is about the electro-magnetic pulse of a nuclear detonation at altitude.

Like the 2,000 or so nukes set off across the world, several dozen of which were burst at extreme altitude? Guess what, we are still here. The "1-nuke-at-altitude-and-we-go-back-to-the-stone-age" is BS. Yes, I read One Second After. Good book, but it is still FICTION.

When I was with DOE/NNSA, I was able to visit an SS-18 site being dismantled in the mid-1990s. When we talked to the Russians about their big 25MT warhead on some of them, they said that it was for the LCCs in the Minuteman/MX missile fields, which makes sense. (Anyways, never trust the russians. IIRC those 25MT warheads were dismantled at their Pantex Plant equivalent in Russia).

17 posted on 05/12/2014 9:48:06 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: raptor22

You should be making/buying Faraday boxes for anything important you would want to rely on. Such as communications equipment and solar/wind power charge controllers and inverters.

Those using insulin or having other need for for refrigeration should look for a good, used RV propane powered refrigerator and propane stocks, and have extra circuit board electronics in Faraday boxes.

Of course, insulin supplies and propane will run out eventually. But, RV refrigerators will run a long time with a tiny flame powered from a home barbque grill tank.


18 posted on 05/12/2014 9:48:57 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: thackney

I agree. This is hysteria mongering.


19 posted on 05/12/2014 9:49:47 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: mosaicwolf; raptor22
According to UN Agenda 21, killing 90% of the population would be a GOOD thing. It’s the entire goal.

If they really believe in AGW they should fear such an outcome.

All of the unburied dead would generate huge amounts of CO2 and methane as the bodies decomposed. If Global Warming is truly caused by these gases accumulating in the atmosphere such a global catastrophe would surely bring it on with a vengeance.

Besides the decomposing bodies urban fires would spread unchecked because fire departments would not be able to fight them due to failed municipal water systems.

The unrestrained collapse of civilization would be an environmental disaster of unimaginable proportions.

20 posted on 05/12/2014 9:50:11 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: DoughtyOne
. I’ve heard some pretty dire predictions of what could happen if the the nuke went off at a few hundred thousand feet.

For the EMP to be effective I believe the explosion has to occur at an attitude of about 55 miles.

21 posted on 05/12/2014 9:52:15 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: DCBryan1

The article claims a single emp.


22 posted on 05/12/2014 9:53:49 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Do you understand how quickly the effect of an EMP falls away with distance? And the amount of distance we are talking about?

Agreed. I think it's much to do about nothing.

We have a greater chance of a Carrington Event occurring.

23 posted on 05/12/2014 9:54:19 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: mosaicwolf
With 90% of US population gone that would mean the rest of the world would be on that so called “level playing field”. Everyone would now have a great shot at success.

Except for the inconvenient detail called food. No food exports. No foreign aid. No consumer economy keeping 3rd work countries engaged exchanging cheap labor for food and income. A level playing field with everyone neck deep in excrement. Any effort to avoid death would be a "success".

24 posted on 05/12/2014 9:54:36 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Until the roving mobs show up...


25 posted on 05/12/2014 9:59:01 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: raptor22
Everything regarding an emp is theory, no one knows what will happen, no one even knows if, after the emp, that your car won't start. What is pretty sure is the power lines will be fried as will everything attached to them, at either end and in between. But aw for deaths, speculation, hype and bull dung.

Now comes my speculation, the US GØvt will have a false flag emp over either part of the mid Atlantic or that pesky Fransisco area.

26 posted on 05/12/2014 9:59:47 AM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (Be kept informed on Maine's secession, sign up at freemaine@hushmail.com)
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To: thackney
As an electrical engineer, specialized in power systems, I strongly doubt a single nuclear explosion would be more than a localized event.

Whoa! Who are you going to believe: rationality or post-apocalyptic Hollywood?

Even as a non-electrical engineer, I have heard EMP studies state that effects will be local, and those effects will vary widely.

Sorry Points-n-Condenser Man, you will not lead the defunct electronic ignition masses from your cherry '67 GTO into some Mad Max fantasy.

27 posted on 05/12/2014 9:59:55 AM PDT by Rinnwald
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To: raptor22

“Never mind that s—t, here comes Mongo.”


28 posted on 05/12/2014 10:00:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: raptor22
If the single missile is in anyway tracked or identifiable to a sovereign state, 10 of 10 are likely killed in the nuclear retaliation which the U. S. returns. The threat of EMP on electronics has been known for decades and sensitive U. S. military assets have been protected for years.

It would likely be a rough 3-4 year adjustment/recovery period but I'm skeptical about the extremely dire predictions which seem to be associated with a rogue EMP detonation. A coordinated sneak attack by a technologically sophisticated country with lots of military resources (such as China) could be a real nightmare. The rebuilding process in such a scenario would involve a lot more than the electrical/communications infrastructure. Hundreds, if not thousands, of nuclear retaliatory strikes would lay waste to about everything.

29 posted on 05/12/2014 10:01:56 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: thackney
As an electrical engineer, specialized in power systems, I strongly doubt a single nuclear explosion would be more than a localized event.

However - a certain 'missing' plane, complete with 20+ Chinese scientists who developed a radar-proof clocking devise for airplanes, and a cargo hold of equipment - could deliver an EMP over a strategic target, creating panic and the reason for immediate 'Martial Law" - putting the usurpers in the WH in total charge for 6 months, enough time to totally take over the country...while turning loose their 'private army' now trained to shoot dogs and people at will, from children to old ladies. That'll cut down on the population right quick.

30 posted on 05/12/2014 10:02:14 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Peter ODonnell

“the nuclear crisis of 2013 ... North Korea”

Umm, a few vague threats from North Korea hardly amount to a crisis

Either that or it may be that there are things we
were never told...


31 posted on 05/12/2014 10:04:13 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

We could hire North Korea to come in and teach us how to do it.


32 posted on 05/12/2014 10:04:26 AM PDT by Portcall24 (aer)
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To: servantboy777
Oh good grief!! Keep the masses all stirred up and in a state of fear

Yep. Better to tip toe through the tulips singing "tra lah lah, nothing to see here. Take a nap"

33 posted on 05/12/2014 10:05:41 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

but how well do they after they are raided by both the gov’t goons and surrounding populations for their food storage/gardens?


34 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:24 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: raptor22
"just a solitary nuke detonated in the atmosphere above the American heartland

This is a load of crap and frankly, I'm getting tired of this hysteria mongering over EMP attacks. Hell, the Russians did to one of their own provinces in the 60s, which makes for interesting reading. See here: http://www.futurescience.com/emp/test184.html

In fact, it could be argued that you would do far more damage and destruction by just having the nuke hit a target on the ground than by having it airburst.

35 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:35 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
According to UN Agenda 21, killing 90% of the population would be a GOOD thing. It’s the entire goal.

Problem is that the 10% remaining is the 10% that has trouble feeding itself.

36 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:37 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: thackney
I strongly doubt a single nuclear explosion would be more than a localized event.

You are correct that the direct effect would be localized. However, what would be the secondary effect if all power went out in an area from Buffalo to Chicago? Would the rest of the U.S. Power grid try to compensate for the loss, taxing the grid to the point where other sites start to collapse, with a domino effect of taking the whole system down? Or would the grid have the intelligence to automatically break off the parts of the country that drop, preserving the integrity outside the primary area?

I'm asking if this is possible, because I don't have the background in power systems to know.

37 posted on 05/12/2014 10:08:09 AM PDT by ssaftler (I am both ashamed and afraid of my government, Federal AND State. Local not far behind...)
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To: Mike Darancette
The plan is for the UN swells and their benefactors like George Soros will be among the 10%.
38 posted on 05/12/2014 10:10:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: raptor22
Y2K deja vu all over again.
39 posted on 05/12/2014 10:11:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the government." --Tacitus)
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To: raptor22

When power went out in major cities for long periods of time, there weren’t 9 in 10 deaths or anything like it.

If anything takes out the grid id a major way it still can be rebuilt.


40 posted on 05/12/2014 10:12:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: sand88

“We have a greater chance of a Carrington Event occurring.

That one could keep a fella up at night! We’ve had two CME in the past several years that could have wiped out the Earth and they were not that far from our orbit.


41 posted on 05/12/2014 10:13:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: ssaftler
However, what would be the secondary effect if all power went out in an area from Buffalo to Chicago?

It would be dark, for a while, if it happened at night. Likely some areas into the next night.

Would the rest of the U.S. Power grid try to compensate for the loss, taxing the grid to the point where other sites start to collapse, with a domino effect of taking the whole system down?

If it went down, there is no load to pick up. The connecting lines are limited to their capacity, the relays are not going to let too great a power pass. If the protective relays are not working, the line is down and no power passes.

Or would the grid have the intelligence to automatically break off the parts of the country that drop, preserving the integrity outside the primary area?

Yes, the dark areas would be limited. Possible to be large for a while, but not unlimited.

42 posted on 05/12/2014 10:15:28 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Sasparilla

great advice - useful in any power outage.

I was ‘out’ for 19 days in the ICE STORM of 1998 - and 5 days this last Christmas - enough to lose refrigerator foods.

re Faraday cages - would a box wrapped in copper screen that could set over a PC work - and or to include cell phone? - to preserve them until such time as the grid might go up again?

Also - I have refused to allow the ‘smart’ meter to be installed on my home - they, at least, can’t track which appliances/make/usage of same I use....and maybe ??? a bit harder to control my access?

Even so, the old meter is on the outside wall a foot from my inside wall - head of bed. I understand that it still omits EMPs - tho’ at a much lower level than the Smart meters???

Would a piece of copper screening between the meter and head of my bed interrupt the EMP’s? (I’m an old great gramma and my bed is far to heavy for me to move to another wall.)


43 posted on 05/12/2014 10:19:15 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: servantboy777
Oh good grief!!

Keep the masses all stirred up and in a state of fear.

Machiavelli in the Prince advised to keep your people under control put an enemy at the city gate even if you have to pay for him yourself. Still an operative political strategy.

44 posted on 05/12/2014 10:24:37 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: maine-iac7
Avian flu, suitcase nukes, WMD’s, Swine Flu, New Ice age, Glogal warming, Climate change, polar vortex, sea level rise, EMP attack, Hole in the Ozone, Asteroid near miss, Fracking causing earthquakes, acid rain, Antibiotic resistant SUPER strains...on an on an on.

Don't you realize, this is an attempt to keep folks from seeing the real issues.

45 posted on 05/12/2014 10:26:14 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: raptor22

Since so many democrats are dependent on the State for survival we can assume many more democrats will die in an EMP attack.

Maybe that will motivate democrats to get off their butts and deal with this issue.


46 posted on 05/12/2014 10:33:35 AM PDT by GOPJ (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator. - - Freeper Balding_Eagle)
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To: maine-iac7
QUOTE: ...while turning loose their 'private army' now trained to shoot dogs and people at will, from children to old ladies.

I reckon the people will start shooting back, and that "private army" won't be intact long.

47 posted on 05/12/2014 10:35:13 AM PDT by jimmyray
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To: Pearls Before Swine

I doubt you would need to reconfigure cars. Its not like the initial EMP would redamage them. Just replace the bad circuits and start them up.

The biggest problem would be with banking and people who rely on delicate electronics to work. They would be SOL for quite a while, before new electronics arrived.


48 posted on 05/12/2014 10:37:43 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: thackney
As an electrical engineer, specialized in power systems, I strongly doubt a single nuclear explosion would be more than a localized event.

Correct .. it would take 3 explosions.

However, I'm sure there are must simpler ways to topple our house of cards.

49 posted on 05/12/2014 10:41:32 AM PDT by The Duke ("Forgiveness is between them and God, it's my job to arrange the meeting.")
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To: raptor22

50 posted on 05/12/2014 10:41:56 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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