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Michael Savage: Pope Francis Should Redistribute Vatican's Income First
Newsmax ^ | 05/12/2014 | Greg Richter

Posted on 05/12/2014 9:45:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage says if Pope Francis wants income redistribution he should start with his own Church.

On his Friday show, Savage said he would bid $1 million for Michelangelo's famous painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican.

"The reason I'm offering that money to the pope and the Vatican is so they can redistribute the wealth that begins in the Vatican itself," Savage said.

Savage said he was making a point that there is vast wealth within the Catholic Church, including priceless works of art and major shares in global companies. Gold ingots could be sold for redistribution purposes, Savage said.

Francis on Friday told a group of U.N. delegates, including Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, that they should urge world governments to back "the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the state, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."

Savage's response: "It's Karl Marx in a papal outfit."

He noted that Francis is from Argentina, home to liberation theology along with much of Latin America, in the 1960s and '70s. And although Francis himself never practiced liberation theology, "he was certainly shaped by it," Savage said.

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1 posted on 05/12/2014 9:45:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep. Lead by example.


2 posted on 05/12/2014 9:46:47 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Only a million bucks for the Sistine Chapel? What a cheapskate.


3 posted on 05/12/2014 9:47:12 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SeekAndFind
On his Friday show, Savage said he would bid $1 million for Michelangelo's famous painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican. "The reason I'm offering that money to the pope and the Vatican is so they can redistribute the wealth that begins in the Vatican itself," Savage said.

So Michael has $1M lying around, and he's not offering the money directly to the poor?

4 posted on 05/12/2014 9:47:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SeekAndFind

Rush had this pegged months ago.


5 posted on 05/12/2014 9:47:55 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kind of an idiotic idea. The church’s buildings and works of art are not sources of ongoing income. At present they are generally accessible to anybody who shows up and wants to view them. How would that change or give anybody in the world a better life if they were in a secular museum rather than a church?

Who is going to buy Saint Peters? Or should we sell the churches, tear them down and redevelop the land under them?


6 posted on 05/12/2014 9:50:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: WKUHilltopper

Same thing I said here yesterday, the Vatican should empty its treasure troves and lead by example.

For that I was called an idiot, a bigot and worse. Truth sure stung the catholics here on FR hard.

I stand by my words. The Vatican and all catholics should lead by example and give up their wealth first. Of course they won’t, it’s always do as we say, not as we do with that crowd.


7 posted on 05/12/2014 9:51:51 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Colonel_Flagg

What did Rush say about it? I’ve been so busy that I haven’t been able to listen to Rush for a while.


8 posted on 05/12/2014 9:51:56 AM PDT by dragonblustar ( Psalm 103, Psalm 37:7, Ephesians 6:12)
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To: dragonblustar

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/11/27/it_s_sad_how_wrong_pope_francis_is_unless_it_s_a_deliberate_mistranslation_by_leftists

November 27, 2013.


9 posted on 05/12/2014 9:52:51 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: SeekAndFind

According to Cardinal Gerhard Ludwig Müller, prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Pope Francis has close ties with liberation theology, the same discaterio that once condemned the movement. In the 1980s the CDF under then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger attacked liberation theology as borrowing “from various currents of Marxist thought“.

It is a fact that in the Liberation Theology the Gospels are profoundly corrupted by Marxist ideology and praxis, including the promotion of class struggle and the creation of the so called “iglesia popular” (parallel and opposed to the Church), an instrument used by Marxist theologians to support the Marxist guerrillas and regimes in Latin America.

During the Nicaraguan Communist Sandinista regime, they went as far as substituting Christ on the Cross for a naked Che Guevara with his genitals exposed.

“During the ordination in Managua of Nicaraguan Napoleon Alvarado by the Jesuit Luis Manresa, who was Bishop of Quetzaltenango, and who was then rector of the University Landivar in Guatemala City, to the Offertory of the mass of ordination, Napoleon offered a machine gun extolling the Sandinista movement and the Jesuit liberation theologian Fernando Cardinal choosing him as a model of his priesthood at the service of the soviet. “ (Ricardo de la Cierva, “Dark Rebellion in the Church” pag.24)

The Marxist Liberation Theology, although it had its roots in the works of European theologians, it had its largest impact in Latin American, mostly by the works of Catholic theologians. This movement also infiltrated the American churches, and not just only the Catholic Church. Obama’s religious mentor for over 20 years, Rev. Wright, is a follower of the Marxist Black Liberation Theology, a racist anti-white church whose Marxist praxis compels his followers to pray “God damn America” instead of asking blessing for this great country of ours.

The American Maryknoll Order became one of the main promoters of the Marxist Liberation Theology in Latin America. In Colombia the Diocesan Father Camilo Torres joined the Marxist guerrillas and died in one encounter with the government forces. He is perhaps best known for the quote: “If Jesus were alive today, He would be a guerrillero.”

The subversive activities and collaborationism with the Marxist guerrillas of a group of Jesuits in El Salvador, including his superior, Ignacio Ellacurria, professors from the University of Central America (UCA), was so scandalous that in 1972 the Bishops of El Salvador threw them of the control of the Seminary of San José de la Montaña where there was a Marxist-Leninist cell among seminarians prepared by Dr. Fabio Castillo, who was the rector of the National University.

During the 1980’s,the Mexican American Cultural Center (MACC), located in the San Antonio Seminary, served as the headquarters for the Marxist Liberation Theology in the U.S. This Center, sponsored by Archbishop Patricio Flores, became the Mecca of Marxist Liberation Theology in the U.S. where priests, religious and lay Catholics came from as far as Philippines to be indoctrinated in the Liberation Theology by the luminaries of the movement, which included Father Gustavo Gutierrez’s putative father of Liberation Theology.

In the book store of the MACC you could buy not only the most radical works by the Jesuit priest Jon Sobrino or the Franciscan Leonardo Boff, but you could also buy the bible for the conquest of power by the Marxists, Saul Alinksy’s “Rule for Radicals”, a book dedicated to Lucifer, who he considered the first radical. This manual has proved to be very useful to Barack Obama, who excelled in applying it in his struggle to reach the White House using the Marxist praxis developed by Alinsky.

Spanish Catholic historian, Ricardo de la Cierva has written several scholarly works on the communist infiltration in the Catholic Church, including “Jesuits, Church and Marxism - unmasked liberation theology,” (1986) “Dark rebellion in the Church” (1988), and “The gates of hell” (1995).

Pope John Paul II put Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, in charge of confronting the doctrinal corruption that pervaded certain aspects of the Theology of Liberation.

In 1984 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith published “The Instruction on Certain Aspects of the Liberation Theology”. It was a dagger to the heart of those theologies which, in one way or another, embraced the Marxist fundamental option. The preferential option for the poor will never be well served through an atheist ideology that has brought so much oppression and misery to the world.

After the measures taken by Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI, the followers of Liberation Theology entered in a period of hibernation to apparently resurge with Pope Francis.

The liberationists rejoiced with the election of Cardinal Bergoglio as it seems that they take for granted that he is one of them. One of Pope Francis’ most vocal supporters since his election has been Leonardo Boff, one of the founders of liberation theology, and the most radical of it, a man silenced by the Vatican in 1985, and later by his Franciscan Order because of his attacks to the main tenets of the Church. An exulted Leonardo Boff expressed his feelings: ‘This pope will change the church’, basically, according to Boff, in fact we shouldn’t need a pope. The church could build a network of religious communities which communicate with each other.

It is very worrisome that is the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, himself a follower of the liberation theology, who confirms that Pope Francis has close ties with the liberation theology, something that is in clear defiance to the Magisterium of the Church.


10 posted on 05/12/2014 9:53:24 AM PDT by Dqban22
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To: SeekAndFind

In South America the “Church” was the foundation of the communist resistance to host governments. Had the governments killed the clergy in the Mountains and country side there would have been no “safe” communications or an in place network from which to base the resistance.


11 posted on 05/12/2014 9:54:36 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: SeekAndFind
On his Friday show, Savage said he would bid $1 million for Michelangelo's famous painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel at the Vatican.

And...how does he plan on getting it home?

12 posted on 05/12/2014 9:56:10 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr. Savage, you’re in no position to criticize the Pope, or any man of God for that matter.

So zip it.


13 posted on 05/12/2014 9:57:45 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Sherman Logan
How would that change or give anybody in the world a better life if they were in a secular museum rather than a church?

In fact, how would confiscation and redistribution of, say, all Americans' wealth change or give anybody in the world a better life?

14 posted on 05/12/2014 9:59:22 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem I have with the Pope’s statement on what governments should and should not do is that Jesus did not speak to governments. He spoke to each and every one of us. When he said, “You” it was a personal singular pronoun and not a collective pronoun.

I hope some of the Pope’s advisors remind him that redemption is an individual, not a collective, action. I also hope they remind the Pope that people who look to the government for salvation are very likely to end up in Hell because for governments to provide for those among us who are unable to provide for themselves (not to mention those who will not provide for themselves) requires those self-same politicians to steal from others.


15 posted on 05/12/2014 9:59:25 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Have a wonderful day!)
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To: usconservative
Same thing I said here yesterday, the Vatican should empty its treasure troves and lead by example.

For that I was called an idiot, a bigot and worse. Truth sure stung the catholics here on FR hard.

I agree with your sentiments. I also know what kind of vitriol you will face from the Catholic gang whenever you question anything about their church.

16 posted on 05/12/2014 10:03:52 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A 93 year old woman or a 10 year old boy firing a gun is exactly the same threat as a 20 year old, 300 pound guy firing a gun.

I have no idea whether this particular shooting was righteous, but the age and sex of the shooter is irrelevant.

This is, BTW, one of the drawbacks of widely available firearms. With no gun involved, the age and sex of the person becomes very relevant and the situation could almost certainly have been defused without anybody being injured or killed.


17 posted on 05/12/2014 10:04:08 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

I see I posted the above to the wrong thread. My apologies.


18 posted on 05/12/2014 10:04:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SeekAndFind

Savage shows his ignorance of the Catholic Church, its hierarchy and its teachings. The Pope was voicing his personal opinion, not a Church Doctrine, which he has every right to do in either case. As to the Church wealth, it does not belong to the Pope or as a matter of fact to any one person, except you might say it belongs to God. So Michael stick to what you know best, nutrition, and stay away from religion unless you are willing to bone up a bit. You are not a DD or an ordained priest. In fact you are not even who you say you are as you operate under an assumed name. Why is that?


19 posted on 05/12/2014 10:05:44 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Pope ever sold off the Church’s art, soon after we probably see the first Pope Impeachment.


20 posted on 05/12/2014 10:06:47 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Government by Gun Point.)
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To: MichaelCorleone

of course he is. The leader of an extremely wealthy organization, called for wealth distribution. Savage just merely told him to put up or shut up. Pope should lead by example.


21 posted on 05/12/2014 10:06:56 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Like all global organizations, they will claim that they have more liabilities than assets. They will claim poverty, what a joke.


22 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:34 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: usconservative

So if they do, then you will give up all your money as well?


23 posted on 05/12/2014 10:07:35 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: usconservative
The Vatican and all catholics should lead by example and give up their wealth first. Of course they won’t, it’s always do as we say, not as we do with that crowd.

Really ready to stand by that word "all"??? I give quite a lot away during the year, monetarily I seek to hit 8%, but I also give of my time in ministries and other volunteer opportunities through my workplace. I know quite many others at my church who do way more than me, so I think you should eat those words.

24 posted on 05/12/2014 10:12:41 AM PDT by RedWing9 (Jesus Rocks Zero Sucks)
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To: SeekAndFind
Conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage says if Pope Francis wants income redistribution he should start with his own Church

If the Church sold the art it owns, it would eliminate poverty in the entire continent of Africa...for one year.

5.56mm

25 posted on 05/12/2014 10:14:05 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SeekAndFind

Amen to that as well as all of the other millionaires running around spouting “social justice,” for thee but not for me!


26 posted on 05/12/2014 10:14:27 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: MichaelCorleone
Mr. Savage, you’re in no position to criticize the Pope, or any man of God for that matter.

This is one of the things that really rubs me the wrong way about Catholics. Pope Francis is just a man (as was any other Pope).

Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26 But Peter made him get up. "Stand up," he said, "I am only a man myself."

27 posted on 05/12/2014 10:15:38 AM PDT by EricT. (Everything not forbidden is compulsory.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Exodus 20:17

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife or his male servant or his female servant or his ox or his donkey or anything that belongs to your neighbor."

Francis, quit being a coveter! Quit enabling other coveters!

28 posted on 05/12/2014 10:16:31 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: defconw

Nope, it was his bright idea, not mine. Ill just point at the rich organization, claiming to be the heir to Jesus, not giving up their wealth while opining I should be forced to a gunpoint.


29 posted on 05/12/2014 10:16:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree - lead by example...


30 posted on 05/12/2014 10:17:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (Want to keep your doctor? Remove your Democrat Senator. - - Freeper Balding_Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

That is exactly right. The Vatican should lead by example and divest themselves of all their wealth but being the hypocrites they are it won’t happen.

As I remember in Morris West’s book “The Shoes of the Fisherman”, his Pope in that book did that very thing and gave away the Church’s wealth.


31 posted on 05/12/2014 10:18:07 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: MichaelCorleone

“Mr. Savage, you’re in no position to criticize the Pope, or any man of God for that matter.”

EVERYONE is qualified to criticize EVERY lame-brained idea that is put into the public marketplace of stupid ideas.

El pepe was not speaking in a Catholic Caucus meeting. He was speaking for world consumption and putting forth a lousy idea.


32 posted on 05/12/2014 10:18:39 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Magnimus, 2014)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Sell Vatican City to Donald Sterling he will have some extra bucks soon.


33 posted on 05/12/2014 10:18:52 AM PDT by pleasenotcalifornia
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To: Sherman Logan
If the Pope and all other religious leaders in the most wealthy religion in the world, are unwilling to give away all to help the poor, then they are only spouting "social justice" ala Karl Marxs, Josef Stalin, Chairman Mao and N. Korea's Dear Leader!

I always noticed in some of the smallest, most impoverished villages in Mexico, had the most gilded lavish Catholic churches!!

Talk about completely missing the point of Christ to the rich young ruler, to "sell everything he had and give to the poor." The rich young ruler proved that his "god" was not God but his wealth and comfort.

Maybe the same could be said for the Vatican.

34 posted on 05/12/2014 10:19:54 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: MichaelCorleone

+1


35 posted on 05/12/2014 10:22:47 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of my favorite old movies: “In The Shoes of the Fisherman”. A unique Pope does just that - Pledges all the wealth of the Catholic Church to feed the Hungry.


36 posted on 05/12/2014 10:24:29 AM PDT by Mark49
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To: MichaelCorleone

So why are you sidetracking the debate. Maybe explain to us why your Pope is such a Commie?


37 posted on 05/12/2014 10:24:59 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: DesertRhino

So we should shut all of our hospitals down as well?


38 posted on 05/12/2014 10:25:27 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: zerosix

I’ve never quite understood this point.

Who do “the most gilded lavish Catholic churches” in “the smallest, most impoverished villages in Mexico” belong to?

It seems to me they are, at least in practical terms, the property of the villages and their people. It’s not like the priest or bishop is going to sell off the decor to live a more riotous life or pay off his own debts. That was a legitimate criticism back during the Renaissance, but not, AFAIK today.

And I’m neither Catholic nor a huge fan of the Church.


39 posted on 05/12/2014 10:25:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DoodleDawg
Savage's point was understood to make the point that the richest religion in the world, telling people who work for a living, pay taxes and give to the poor, aren't giving enough and the one world government needs to force them to do more, is complete hypocrisy!

Of course, Savage was merely pointing absurdity by being absurd!

Most of us get it, hopefully you can too when you think about it.

40 posted on 05/12/2014 10:25:45 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: RedWing9

Why does the catholic church hate capitalism?


41 posted on 05/12/2014 10:26:29 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Sam Gamgee

My personal theory is that at this point in time the idiots that vote Democrat, support abortion, and want women priests need a Pope that is hard left to wake them the Hell up. At least that is my hope for this man being the Pope.


42 posted on 05/12/2014 10:28:23 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm very surprised that Michael Savage does not know about subsidiarity.

He is mistaken in his interpretation of what the Pope is saying.

Subsidiarity: going to the smallest entity possible for assistance, for example, your neighbor, neighborhood, local church, local agencies such as St. Vincent de Paul Society.

Michael, please read up on subsidiarity -- notice I didn't say subsidies! In other words, get educated!

Repeat After Me: Subsidiarity & Solidarity
Subsidiarity and Human Dignity
Does the USCCB Understand Subsidiarity?
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] The Principle of Subsidiarity
[CATHOLIC/ORTHODOX CAUCUS] Subsidiarity Over Social Justice
What is the USCCB’s problem with subsidiarity?
Subsidiarity: Where Justice and Freedom Coexist
Health reform still full of thorny problems for Catholics (Vasa comes out for subsidiarity)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Subsidiarity, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Catholic Word of the Day: SUBSIDIARITY, 06-11-09

43 posted on 05/12/2014 10:29:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; marshmallow; ...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3155043/posts?page=43#43

Ping!


44 posted on 05/12/2014 10:30:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

**Savage’s response: “It’s Karl Marx in a papal outfit.” **

Not true. He is misinterpreting the Pope’s words, as are other media.


45 posted on 05/12/2014 10:31:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Well this is a fun one. But at least while they are busy bashing us, someone else is being left alone.


46 posted on 05/12/2014 10:32:05 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like a fine idea. Sell the papal bling for starters... that alone should be worth million$.


47 posted on 05/12/2014 10:32:21 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Obama is so far in over his head, even his ears are beneath the water level.)
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To: usconservative

I am catholic and I stand with you on your post. This Pope should lead by example.


48 posted on 05/12/2014 10:33:10 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

OK, let’s liquidate the Church. Then what?


49 posted on 05/12/2014 10:34:14 AM PDT by defconw (Well now what?)
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To: Sherman Logan
I don't know who those cathedrals belong to but think the Church, not the local peasants dropping their coins to buy a candle to light for their loved ones.

I'm not Catholic either but always wondered why such beautifully adorned and gilded houses of worship, standing next to people living in mud huts, no clean water and very little substance.

With the current head of the Catholic church claiming that other should be required to do more for the poor, living in an ivory (golden) tower, smacks as the ultimate hypocrisy!

50 posted on 05/12/2014 10:34:17 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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